Bachmann: "The gay community have so bullied the American people" - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;44203337]special treatment[/QUOTE] Wanting the same rights as the rest of people to be able to marry who we love or threatened for being who we are? Please do tell me how any of this effects you in any way? Il be waiting for a response.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;44203337]How do you explain gay parades then? If that isn't attention seeking, [B]for special treatment and insight[/B], then I don't know.[/QUOTE] Why are you making the false claim that it's for special treatment? All they want is to be recognized as fellow human beings with the same rights as everyone else.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;44203346]It's kinda shocking how many people completely misunderstand the point of gay pride parades[/QUOTE] I have no idea what is happening on the better part of our world, but in Estonia all what gay parades were people wearing as much gay on their faces and outfits as possible, shouting the world that they exist. That is stupid and attention seeking in my book, and how is attention seeking not a requirement for special treatment? If nobody ever made a big deal of it, most of the others homophobes would as well. I've no idea how it works in other countries, but I was never even closely thought that being gay is bad. You like it with boys? Okay, whatever works for you. The fact is, most of the "gay hate" turns down to personal preference and prejudice. [QUOTE=Elspin;44203358]The point of gay pride parades is to bring the gay community together and show people they're not afraid to be themselves, though I do think some of them are way over the top tbh If straights were the ones being oppressed there'd be straight pride parades, but we're not so there isn't[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zeke129;44203408]Okay what about Mardi Gras? How is half the stuff that happens during Mardi Gras anything other than straight people publicly flaunting their sexuality? Further, explain to me how being open about your sexuality, gay or straight, is a bad thing.[/QUOTE] I haven't found any direct indication of people flaunting about their sexuality, sorry for my bad Wikipedia grasping skills, but if that's the case, than it's just as stupid as "gay pride parades". About the same stupid as an atheist boasting to others about how he doesn't believe in God. I oppose direct propaganda of things which are supposed to be kept personal, and those are opinion, religion, sexuality, the list moves on. I am totally tolerant with people being gay, bi, muslim or believing in communism, but when you try to actively brag about it or spread it, then fuck you.

So.....you can be gay/bi/lesbian as long as you shut up about it? That's nice of you.

[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;44203142]:suicide: Ahhh so much ignorance and stupidity. Yea I use a gay card for....what the fuck man, you're homophobic and racist, please leave before you make yourself look like an even bigger idiot.[/QUOTE] I'm actually neither. Yes gays get denied stuff but the world is slowly changing for equality. You just have to fight for your rights, but don't be overbearing on people who don't care either way, or have their own opinions against it.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;44203979]I have no idea what is happening on the better part of our world, but in Estonia all what gay parades were people wearing as much gay on their faces and outfits as possible, shouting the world that they exist. That is stupid and attention seeking in my book, and how is attention seeking not a requirement for special treatment? If nobody ever made a big deal of it, most of the others homophobes would as well. I've no idea how it works in other countries, but I was never even closely thought that being gay is bad. You like it with boys? Okay, whatever works for you. The fact is, most of the "gay hate" turns down to personal preference and prejudice.[/QUOTE] if no one was ever willing to make a big deal out of it, gays would still be chemically castrated and tortured to death. you know, like they still are.

Bachman is a double agent who was molded out of scrap meat from the hot dog factory floor and brought to life with a jolt of solar generated power to work for the democrats by making republicans look bad.

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;44204067]So.....you can be gay/bi/lesbian as long as you shut up about it? That's nice of you.[/QUOTE] Interesting strawman, but I never said that you should never proclaim you're gay/bi/lesbian.

[QUOTE=JJones;44201921]Yet the Governments idea of that is to force people to treat them special, which makes people dislike them more and more.[/QUOTE] We don't rightly cotton to your kind here, boy.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;44203172]SEE, this is what I'm talking about![/QUOTE] Shut up nerd, or I'll give you the gayest noogie.

[QUOTE=Ricenchicken;44204095]You just have to fight for your rights, but don't be overbearing on people who don't care either way, or have their own opinions against it.[/QUOTE] Please tell how does one fight for his rights without trying to persuade others to admit his rights. Your POV comes across as entrenchment to status quo and blaming anyone trying to change the situation for aggression.

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;44203979]I oppose direct propaganda of things which are supposed to be kept personal, and those are opinion, religion, sexuality, the list moves on. I am totally tolerant with people being gay, bi, muslim or believing in communism, but when you try to actively brag about it or spread it, then fuck you.[/QUOTE] So basically you want nobody to ever be proud of who they are, want to share it with others, or find others with similar beliefs; and just generally be antisocial loners? What's the point of political beliefs if you can't debate others with opposing viewpoints? What's the point of religious beliefs if you can't join others in religious ceremony? What's the point of sexuality if you can't be sexual? Your supposed "tolerance" is a bald-faced lie.

[QUOTE=dai;44203750]better do as he says before he starts trying to hold hands with you[/QUOTE] What are you gonna do about it dork, put me in 1 hour "detention"?

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;44203979]I have no idea what is happening on the better part of our world, but in Estonia all what gay parades were people wearing as much gay on their faces and outfits as possible, shouting the world that they exist. That is stupid and attention seeking in my book, and how is attention seeking not a requirement for special treatment? If nobody ever made a big deal of it, most of the others homophobes would as well. I've no idea how it works in other countries, but I was never even closely thought that being gay is bad. You like it with boys? Okay, whatever works for you. The fact is, most of the "gay hate" turns down to personal preference and prejudice. I haven't found any direct indication of people flaunting about their sexuality, sorry for my bad Wikipedia grasping skills, but if that's the case, than it's just as stupid as "gay pride parades". About the same stupid as an atheist boasting to others about how he doesn't believe in God. I oppose direct propaganda of things which are supposed to be kept personal, and those are opinion, religion, sexuality, the list moves on. I am totally tolerant with people being gay, bi, muslim or believing in communism, but when you try to actively brag about it or spread it, then fuck you.[/QUOTE] Mardi Gras is an annual mating ritual where intoxicated college males gather along the gulf coast and throw beaded necklaces at women hoping to catch a glimpse of their breasts or attract a mate. It's both socially accepted and promoted despite causing mass arrests for breaking public nudity laws. If gay prides were half as indecent as Mardi Gras they would be outright banned by conservative lawmakers "trying to protect the children."

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44204383]So basically you want nobody to ever be proud of who they are, want to share it with others, or find others with similar beliefs; and just generally be antisocial loners? What's the point of political beliefs if you can't debate others with opposing viewpoints? What's the point of religious beliefs if you can't join others in religious ceremony? What's the point of sexuality if you can't be sexual? Your supposed "tolerance" is a bald-faced lie.[/QUOTE] Is making strawmen the only way you people are capable of arguing? There's information about you being for instance religious surfacing from the context and being tolerant about it and there's someone actively trying to convert you when you don't want to hear about it. [QUOTE=Teddybeer;44204431]Hanging around with gays for years now, never seen this card.[/QUOTE] I think he means how you can't say that you don't like men dancing in BDSM clothes on the street, without being branded a massive homophobe, when referencing to a gay parade (that actually had that). That kind of stuff.

[QUOTE=OvB;44204448]Mardi Gras is an annual mating ritual where intoxicated college males gather along the gulf coast and throw beaded necklaces at women hoping to catch a glimpse of their breasts or attract a mate. It's both socially accepted and promoted despite causing mass arrests for breaking public nudity laws. If gay prides were half as indecent as Mardi Gras they would be outright banned by conservative lawmakers "trying to protect the children."[/QUOTE] It's no wonder I haven't heard of it before. Retarded stuff like that doesn't happen in here.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44204682]Is making strawmen the only way you people are capable of arguing? There's information about you being for instance religious surfacing from the context and being tolerant about it and there's someone actively trying to convert you when you don't want to hear about it. [/QUOTE] So anyone who isn't part of the majority should be meek? People like Dark RaveN are very loudly "flaunting" how they feel about gay people, why shouldn't they follow their own rules about keeping it to themselves?

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;44204735]It's no wonder I haven't heard of it before. Retarded stuff like that doesn't happen in here.[/QUOTE] Don't you celebrate Midsummer in Estonia? And isn't it just basically a day of constant drunkenness?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44204794]So anyone who isn't part of the majority should be meek? People like Dark RaveN are very loudly "flaunting" how they feel about gay people, why shouldn't they follow their own rules about keeping it to themselves?[/QUOTE] No PEOPLE should not force anything down other people's throats. I mean everyone. I don't want to hear about people's private sex life (regardless of their sexuality) unless I ask about it or it comes out from the context, and I don't tell other people about my private sex life unless they ask (and I feel like answering).

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44204682] I think he means how you can't say that you don't like men dancing in BDSM clothes on the street, without being branded a massive homophobe, when referencing to a gay parade (that actually had that). That kind of stuff.[/QUOTE] Well, if they're referencing something like the Folsom Street Fair in San Francisco when they talk about "men dancing in bdsm clothes in the street" then they should know that it's an event for straight people too

[QUOTE=Dark RaveN;44204735]It's no wonder I haven't heard of it before. Retarded stuff like that doesn't happen in here.[/QUOTE] mardi gras is actually sweet as hell but yes whenever anyone complains about gay people flaunting their sexuality just point to it and say "lookit these fuckin straight people"

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44204862]No PEOPLE should not force anything down other people's throats. I mean everyone. I don't want to hear about people's private sex life (regardless of their sexuality) unless I ask about it or it comes out from the context, and I don't tell other people about my private sex life unless they ask (and I feel like answering).[/QUOTE] The issue is that everyone automatically assumes your private sex life is comprised of straight sex unless you tell them otherwise. You don't [i]need[/i] to do anything for people to already think that. A gay pride parade (for instance) is one of the few places where this assumption doesn't exist

[QUOTE=Teddybeer;44204829]You can say that. But most of the time people just seek the wrong words for it. And it requires so thinking of "I don't like it but I should understand other people could like it so I let them have their fun and I do something else".[/QUOTE] Okay what if someone made an argument like "public streets are not a place for dancing in bdsm clothes". That's a reasonable argument as long as it's not talking about gay parade. [QUOTE=Zeke129;44204890]Well, if they're referencing something like the Folsom Street Fair in San Francisco when they talk about "men dancing in bdsm clothes in the street" then they should know that it's an event for straight people too[/QUOTE] Why is sexuality relevant in this? Why can't just someone dislike men dancing in bdsm clothes on the street? Why does it have to be connected to sexuality? [QUOTE=Zeke129;44204903]The issue is that everyone automatically assumes your private sex life is comprised of straight sex unless you tell them otherwise. You don't [I]need[/I] to do anything for people to already think that. A gay pride parade (for instance) is one of the few places where this assumption doesn't exist[/QUOTE] Why is it important that I know what your private sex life comprises of? It's private for a reason. Nobody should give a fuck what you do and with who in your own bedroom or have anything to say in that matter (except people directly involved ofc).

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44204913]Okay what if someone made an argument like "public streets are not a place for dancing in bdsm clothes". That's a reasonable argument as long as it's not talking about gay parade.[/QUOTE] Beaches are full of people wearing clothes as tight and skimpy as "bdsm clothes" and it's not an issue there because we haven't arbitrarily designated those clothes as being bad

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44204931]Beaches are full of people wearing clothes as tight and skimpy as "bdsm clothes" and it's not an issue there because we haven't arbitrarily designated those clothes as being bad[/QUOTE] That's a valid counter argument, but you're missing the point, I'm not trying to advocate that argument by disguising it as some "what if". The point is that while it's an understandable position, it becomes extremely homophobic if it's referencing to gay parade. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? The treatment of the person saying the same thing is going to change drastically because you can't criticize anything connected to homosexuality without being a homophobe.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44205025]That's a valid counter argument, but you're missing the point, I'm not trying to advocate that argument by disguising it as some "what if". The point is that while it's an understandable position, it becomes extremely homophobic if it's referencing to gay parade. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? The treatment of the person saying the same thing is going to change drastically because you can't criticize anything connected to homosexuality without being a homophobe.[/QUOTE] Well, calling somebody a homophobe is a pretty fair reaction if their criticism of homosexuality is that gay people are being [I]too gay.[/I]

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;44204901]mardi gras is actually sweet as hell but yes whenever anyone complains about gay people flaunting their sexuality just point to it and say "lookit these fuckin straight people"[/QUOTE] Oh yeah Mardi Gras is great but its a lot less tame than your average gay pride parade.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44204862]No PEOPLE should not force anything down other people's throats. I mean everyone. I don't want to hear about people's private sex life (regardless of their sexuality) unless I ask about it or it comes out from the context, and I don't tell other people about my private sex life unless they ask (and I feel like answering).[/QUOTE] can we just ban the phrase "shoving x down my throat" please it's completely nonsensical. last i checked the evil gays don't hunt down straight boys who dare not look at them in their bsdm gear, nothing is being forced anywhere. you're the one who wants everyone else to act the way you want, you're the one who wants to shove their idea of decency down everyone elses throat.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44204839]Don't you celebrate Midsummer in Estonia? And isn't it just basically a day of constant drunkenness?[/QUOTE] Every holiday in Estonia, especially on the Russian side, are days of constant drunkenness. Russian community represent. [editline]11th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Zeke129;44204794]So anyone who isn't part of the majority should be meek? People like Dark RaveN are very loudly "flaunting" how they feel about gay people, why shouldn't they follow their own rules about keeping it to themselves?[/QUOTE] I just asked a question about gay parades, followed by being labeled as homophobe or a retard, and you're telling me I'm the one at fault for spreading hate against gay people? Just point at least once where I said that something bad against gay part of the world. What I criticize is the useless and foolish "festivities" such as them. You just see me how you want to see me, nothing more, nothing less.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;44205079]Well, calling somebody a homophobe is a pretty fair reaction if their criticism of homosexuality is that gay people are being [I]too gay.[/I][/QUOTE] See that's what I'm talking about. You automatically assumed that someone who says that he doesn't like men dancing on the street in bdsm clothes HAS to do something with them being gay. It can't be disliking ALL MEN doing that. It has to be disguised homophobia. [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;44205096]can we just ban the phrase "shoving x down my throat" please it's completely nonsensical. last i checked the evil gays don't hunt down straight boys who dare not look at them in their bsdm gear, nothing is being forced anywhere. you're the one who wants everyone else to act the way you want, you're the one who wants to shove their idea of decency down everyone elses throat.[/QUOTE] I'm not even going to bother with strawmen that low. Try again, this has nothing to do with what I said.