Bachmann: "The gay community have so bullied the American people" - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44207490]Wow you people are so deluded. You're like religious nutjobs. Confirmation bias max level. "Son, here's the bible, read first 50 pages. -But mom I don't want to read the bible now. -See that's just satan's talking through you." You're fucking ridiculous. You know everything about everyone and you cannot possibly be wrong. Wow. I already explained to you why this discussion even shows up in those threads. [b]Because when gay people do it, there's lots of people like you to defend it, whereas when straight people do it, everyone condemns it and there is no discussion.[/b] That's why you remember those discussions only when it's relevant to gays.[/QUOTE] Okay this is just deluded persecution complex to the max. We already had the Mardi Gras discussion and this thread was full of people saying how great it was. Pretty much everyone loves a party, until it's a gay party, in which case it's "bullying the American people" according to folks like Bachmann.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44207530] in which case it's "bullying the American people" according to folks like Bachmann.[/QUOTE] To be fair I can't imagine strict social conservatives being very open-minded in regards to Mardi Gras either, it's just that they never speak against it unlike similar gay functions

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44207530]Okay this is just deluded persecution complex to the max. We already had the Mardi Gras discussion and this thread was full of people saying how great it was. Pretty much everyone loves a party, until it's a gay party, in which case it's "bullying the American people" according to folks like Bachmann.[/QUOTE] And this is exactly why you are fucking deluded. The people who said mardi gras is great were the people supporting YOUR side of the argument. The only guy who didn't like mardi gras was the only guy from the other side of the debate. You just fucking used people supporting you as an example why the opposing side is full of shit. Amazing.

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;44207568]To be fair I can't imagine strict social conservatives being very open-minded in regards to Mardi Gras either, it's just that they never speak against it unlike similar gay functions[/QUOTE] Well Louisiana is 90% Christian and only marginally Democratic so it's not like the places where Mardi Gras celebrations are the largest are these huge liberal meccas

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44207645]Well Louisiana is 90% Christian and only marginally Democratic so it's not like the places where Mardi Gras celebrations are the largest are these huge liberal meccas[/QUOTE] What happens on the Bayou stays on the Bayou, Zeke *Has gay mud-wrestling sex with an alligator*

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44207637]And this is exactly why you are fucking deluded. The people who said mardi gras is great were the people supporting YOUR side of the argument. The only guy who didn't like mardi gras was the only guy from the other side of the debate. You just fucking used people supporting you as an example why the side opposing you is full of shit. Amazing.[/QUOTE] The guy who didn't like Mardi Gras was the guy who admitted that [i]every[/i] celebration in his country results in rampant drunkenness. It's either hypocrisy or he wasn't sincere about disliking it.

-rip automerge based joke-

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44207666]The guy who didn't like Mardi Gras was the guy who admitted that [I]every[/I] celebration in his country results in rampant drunkenness. It's either hypocrisy or he wasn't sincere about disliking it.[/QUOTE] Oh so the thread is not full of people (from the opposing side of argument) supporting mardi gras anymore? He said he doesn't have any "retarded" festivals like that, he only mentioned drunkenness? And it's not like he can't oppose something if he comes from a country that is full of it right? I mean he runs it after all.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44207724]Oh so the thread is not full of people (from the opposing side of argument) supporting mardi gras anymore? He said he doesn't have any "retarded" festivals like that, he only mentioned drunkenness? And it's not like he can't oppose something if he comes from a country that is full of it right? I mean he runs it after all.[/QUOTE] He didn't say anything bad about how Estonians love getting drunk so In fact, [quote]Every holiday in Estonia, especially on the Russian side, are days of constant drunkenness. Russian community represent.[/quote] sounds pretty boastful about it. Public drunkenness is far more dangerous than a gay pride parade.

So what ive gathered from this thread is maybe a few dozen people at each pride parade dancing in bdsm gear seem to make it on the news and people stereotype that all gays must enjoy doing such. People really need to grow up.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44207801]He didn't say anything bad about how Estonians love getting drunk so In fact, sounds pretty boastful about it. Public drunkenness is far more dangerous than a gay pride parade.[/QUOTE] So you're saying that he is lying about him being against flaunting private sex life of all people and in reality only applies it to gay people because he gets drunk on holidays and doesn't condemn it? How the fuck does that make sense in your head exactly? It's one thing to get drunk (which he didn't condemn) and there's a festival about fucking (which he called retarded and said they don't have anything like that). Where's the thread full of hypocrites? [editline]12th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Mudbone;44207885]So what ive gathered from this thread is maybe a few dozen people at each pride parade dancing in bdsm gear seem to make it on the news and people stereotype that all gays must enjoy doing such. People really need to grow up.[/QUOTE] If you have actually read the thread you'd know the bdsm gear argument wasn't advocated by anyone, it was a hypothetical situation to show how people assume ridiculous shit when someone has something against anything connected to homosexuality, while the same claim would be semi-valid if it wasn't connected to homosexuality. Just like you did now.

Did you really call gay pride parades festivals about fucking

[QUOTE=DaysBefore;44207948]Did you really call gay pride parades festivals about fucking[/QUOTE] No? Can you read? [QUOTE=Zeke129;44207530]Okay this is just deluded persecution complex to the max. We already had the [B]Mardi Gras [/B]discussion and this thread was full of people saying how great it was. Pretty much everyone loves a party, until it's a gay party, in which case it's "bullying the American people" according to folks like Bachmann. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Silly Sil;44207637]And this is exactly why you are fucking deluded. The people who said [B]mardi gras[/B] is great were the people supporting YOUR side of the argument. The only guy who didn't like mardi gras was the only guy from the other side of the debate. You just fucking used people supporting you as an example why the opposing side is full of shit. Amazing. [/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Zeke129;44207666]The guy who didn't like [B]Mardi Gras [/B]was the guy who admitted that every celebration in his country results in rampant drunkenness. It's either hypocrisy or he wasn't sincere about disliking it.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=OvB;44204448][B]Mardi Gras[/B] is an annual mating ritual where intoxicated college males gather along the gulf coast and throw beaded necklaces at women hoping to catch a glimpse of their breasts or attract a mate. It's both socially accepted and promoted despite causing mass arrests for breaking public nudity laws. If gay prides were half as indecent as Mardi Gras they would be outright banned by conservative lawmakers "trying to protect the children."[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44207892]So you're saying that he is lying about him being against flaunting private sex life of all people and in reality only applies it to gay people because he gets drunk on holidays and doesn't condemn it? How the fuck does that make sense in your head exactly? It's one thing to get drunk (which he didn't condemn) and there's a festival about fucking (which he called retarded and said they don't have anything like that). Where's the thread full of hypocrites?[/QUOTE] No, I'm saying he's a hypocrite if he thinks sexuality should be private but running around drunk and acting the way drunk people do is fine.

-

Oh oops, continue with your stupid argument Sil, my bad

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44207988]No, I'm saying he's a hypocrite if he thinks sexuality should be private but running around drunk and acting the way drunk people do is fine.[/QUOTE] So the thread is not full of hypocritical people about privacy of their sex life like you claimed a moment ago when also saying that I'm the deluded one? [QUOTE=DaysBefore;44207996]Oh oops, continue with your stupid argument Sil, my bad[/QUOTE] No problem. I didn't expect anything else from you than attempts at zings with 0 reading comprehension. And I'm really sorry for being this fossil conservative because I don't want to hear details from other people's private sex lives.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44208035]So the thread is not full of hypocritical people about privacy of their sex life like you claimed a moment ago when also saying that I'm the deluded one?[/QUOTE] You mean the post where I said, [quote]Okay this is just deluded persecution complex to the max. We already had the Mardi Gras discussion and this thread was full of people saying how great it was. Pretty much everyone loves a party, until it's a gay party, in which case it's "bullying the American people" according to folks like Bachmann.[/quote] ? Because after the second sentence I was talking about more than just the people in this thread. (Bachmann isn't posting in the thread, for instance)

Up-tempo music. Twirling batons. Ribbons. Guys in leather pants on motorcycles. Men in flashy, sequined outfits riding ponies. Colorful floats adorned with flowers. Hate to break it to you, homophobes, but literally every parade you've ever been to has been a gay pride parade. They're sneaky like that.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44208035]So the thread is not full of hypocritical people about privacy of their sex life like you claimed a moment ago when also saying that I'm the deluded one? No problem. I didn't expect anything else from you than attempts at zings with 0 reading comprehension. And I'm really sorry for being this fossil conservative because I don't want to hear details from other people's private sex lives.[/QUOTE] Well, to the whole private sex life thing, normally I would agree with not really caring about what people, sexuality of any kind, do in their private time. BUT. In this specific case I understand the idea and here's why. "Weird" gay pride parades (whatever that means they seem pretty tame normally) and stuff like that, the flamboyant seeming stuff you seem to be talking about. First of all we all know it's kinda their choice to appear however they want and they should be able to, but the main thing is, so what if people find it uncomfortable? It definitely isn't bullying. Maybe the world needs to be a exposed to a little uncomfotable feeling to learn to quit being so easily offended about it? They have every right to do what makes overly sensitive people uncomfortable by expressive themselves however they please, because things have been VERY uncomfortable for them for well, ever. Ya know, lacking rights probably makes them uncomfortable expressing themselves. I'm not gay, so I apologize if the view seems slightly too narrow minded or lacking understanding but that's how I see it.

yes like the jews bullied all those poor germans for supporting the national socialists... [editline]11th March 2014[/editline] no the problem is most of these gay-bashing idiots on the hill and in goverment offices throughout the country have lived with and around people who they have made too uncomfortable to come forward, so they were never exposed to what gay people are actually like (which is to say they are absolutely like normal people 99.9% of the time) and their idea of what a gay person is has been shaped by decades of anti-gay rethoric from their peers, meanwhile they have no idea that they're damaging people around them who are themselves gay. a great example of this would be dick chaney, vocally anti-gay, turned out one of his daughters was gay, her sister still is vocally anti-gay and opposes gay rights, she litterally wants her sister whom she grew up with to be a second class citizen, dick chaney has at least changed his stance and he is one of a growing number of republicans who have started looking around to the people they've unknowingly hurt [editline]11th March 2014[/editline] i hope to god one of bachman's kids or close relatives is gay, maybe she'll stop saying shit like this

[QUOTE=Michael haxz;44200967]People Leave the gays alone, if they want to be miserable like the rest of us then so be it Gays Leave the people alone, just because you are gay doesn't mean you deserve any extra special treatment[/QUOTE] they don't want extra special treatment they want equal treatment how hard is this to understand

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44208381]You mean the post where I said, ? Because after the second sentence I was talking about more than just the people in this thread. (Bachmann isn't posting in the thread, for instance)[/QUOTE] You said [quote]We already had the Mardi Gras discussion and this thread was full of people saying how great it was.[/quote] In relation to this [QUOTE=Zeke129;44207202]The funny thing about all these people who claim to hate any public display of affection or any public celebration of sexuality is that they only do so when the topic has already been focused on gay people - never during the countless times throughout their lives they see straight people acting "really straight". You'll have to excuse me for believing that this claim is totally full of shit and just a way to convince other people (and themselves) that they aren't homophobic.[/QUOTE] As proof that this stance is full of shit. I called you deluded, and it turns out that you are, because the thread isn't full of people claiming to dislike flaunting about personal sex life but loving mardi gras. Sorry, but it is how it is. You could have had the decency of saying "yeah I overexaggerated" but no, you're gonna change the subject to some other people now. Yeah there are people like the ones you have described. Just not in this thread, so your circlejerk about being hypocrites and masked homophobes was out of place and just a plain insult. [QUOTE=Xion21;44208426]Well, to the whole private sex life thing, normally I would agree with not really caring about what people, sexuality of any kind, do in their private time. BUT. In this specific case I understand the idea and here's why. "Weird" gay pride parades (whatever that means they seem pretty tame normally) and stuff like that, the flamboyant seeming stuff you seem to be talking about. First of all we all know it's kinda their choice to appear however they want and they should be able to, but the main thing is, so what if people find it uncomfortable? It definitely isn't bullying. Maybe the world needs to be a exposed to a little uncomfotable feeling to learn to quit being so easily offended about it? They have every right to do what makes overly sensitive people uncomfortable by expressive themselves however they please, because things have been VERY uncomfortable for them for well, ever. Ya know, lacking rights probably makes them uncomfortable expressing themselves. I'm not gay, so I apologize if the view seems slightly too narrow minded or lacking understanding but that's how I see it.[/QUOTE] I can totally understand the motivation to make even the weirdest and flamboyant gay parades and I do not support the argument against gay parades claiming that they should be banned because they make people uncomfortable. I have a very different reason not to support flamboyant gay parades (and only those flamboyant). However in this thread I wasn't talking about the parades as they have different motivation. I was mostly talking about the idea that it's fucking okay to tell other people about your private sex life, when they haven't asked about it, moreover that you're a fucking idiot if you DON'T want to hear details of other people's sex lives, and definitely a disguised homophobe. [editline]12th March 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Lebowski;44208538]they don't want extra special treatment they want equal treatment how hard is this to understand[/QUOTE] Gays want equal treatment, straight social justice warriors want to treat gays as special snowflakes and call it equality.

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44208635]You said In relation to this As proof that this stance is full of shit. I called you deluded, and it turns out that you are, because the thread isn't full of people claiming to dislike flaunting about personal sex life but loving mardi gras. Sorry, but it is how it is. You could have had the decency of saying "yeah I overexaggerated" but no, you're gonna change the subject to some other people now. Yeah there are people like the ones you have described. Just not in this thread, so your circlejerk about being hypocrites and masked homophobes was out of place and just a plain insult.[/QUOTE] Those were three separate posts If I want to address a specific point brought up in the thread I'll reference it, probably by quoting it. If I don't quote anything I'm likely saying something related to the topic at hand but not addressed to any of the specific participants in the thread. In my "The funny thing..." post I didn't quote anyone, I was making a general statement to everyone who acts repulsed at the thought of gay pride but not any of the other times straight people act the same way. But, for the record, I have a feeling that [i]does[/i] include you

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44208770]Those were three separate posts If I want to address a specific point brought up in the thread I'll reference it, probably by quoting it. If I don't quote anything I'm likely saying something related to the topic at hand but not addressed to any of the specific participants in the thread. In my "The funny thing..." post I didn't quote anyone, I was making a general statement to everyone who acts repulsed at the thought of gay pride but not any of the other times straight people act the same way. But, for the record, I have a feeling that [I]does[/I] include you[/QUOTE] Yes first you've made a nice little stereotyping and then used those (made up) people as proof. Those posts are one after another. And by saying that you assume it about me just proves my point. Can you fucking stop treating homosexuals as divine being who can never do anything wrong? Because that's what you're doing when you are assuming that every single person criticizing anything related to homosexuality in any way or making general statements about all people in a discussion about homosexuality HAS to be a disguised homophobe. How the fuck is that equal treatment? Tell me, what's the ideal state of things when it comes to sexuality in your opinion? Equal rights and people caring as much about other people's sexuality as about their... eye color?

[QUOTE=Silly Sil;44208957]Yes first you've made a nice little stereotyping and then used those (made up) people as proof. Those posts are one after another. And by saying that you assume it about me just proves my point.[/quote] They're not made up. Bachmann is one. I have a hunch you're one. I have a hunch that Estonian guy was one. Neither of you have really said or done anything to make me feel like I'm wrong. And Bachmann definitely hasn't. [QUOTE=Silly Sil;44208957]Can you fucking stop treating homosexuals as divine being who can never do anything wrong? Because that's what you're doing when you are assuming that every single person criticizing homosexuality in any way or making general statements about all people in a discussion about homosexuality HAS to be a disguised homophobe. How the fuck is that equal treatment?[/quote] Criticizing homosexuality in any way [i]is[/i] homophobia. Not even disguised. How is the sweeping criticism of an entire sexuality (or race, or nationality...) anything other than just pure bigotry? You can criticize people for their actions (without being a homophobe) if you want, but if I feel these criticisms are hypocritical or unjustified I can say so. [QUOTE=Silly Sil;44208957]Tell me, what's the ideal state of things when it comes to sexuality in your opinion? Equal rights and people caring as much about other people's sexuality as about their... eye color?[/QUOTE] That people can discuss sexuality openly without fear as easily as they can discuss the weather.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44209013]They're not made up. Bachmann is one. I have a hunch you're one. I have a hunch that Estonian guy was one. Neither of you have really said or done anything to make me feel like I'm wrong. And Bachmann definitely hasn't.[/QUOTE] When I said "made up people" I meant when you said that the thread was full of people who oppose flaunting sexuality yet like mardi gras. Stop twisting my words. [QUOTE=Zeke129;44209013]Criticizing homosexuality in any way [I]is[/I] homophobia. Not even disguised. How is the sweeping criticism of an entire sexuality (or race, or nationality...) anything other than just pure bigotry?[/QUOTE] Sorry I was editing the post few times and messed it up. Meant to say "anything related to homosexuality". I didn't mean criticizing homosexuality itself lol, it's not something that can be criticized. [QUOTE=Zeke129;44209013]You can criticize people for their actions (without being a homophobe) if you want, but if I feel these criticisms are hypocritical or unjustified I can say so.[/QUOTE] How the hell, is not liking when people tell you details about their sex life when you didn't ask them unjustified? And how am I hypocritical? [QUOTE=Zeke129;44209013]That people can discuss sexuality openly without fear as easily as they can discuss the weather.[/QUOTE] Okay, but the real question was, in the perfect state of things, how important should a person's sexuality be? Should be as insignificant as say color of your eyes?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;44207645]Well Louisiana is 90% Christian and only marginally Democratic so it's not like the places where Mardi Gras celebrations are the largest are these huge liberal meccas[/QUOTE] I just want to chime in here about this, you know, being born and raised in Louisiana and all.... All of those weird/somewhat disturbing Mardi Gras activities take place 99% of the time on Burbon Street in New Orleans. If you don't know how burbon street is set up, it's all regular bars, then once you go past a certain street, the gay bars start popping up. Most people will not go to burbon street for mardi gras for the plain and simple fact that there is a LOT of very indecent things going on. With that being said, we don't really give a shit if you're gay or not. Everybody will party with everyone else and still have a good time most of the time. The only exception is that some gay bars will not allow admittance of straight men half of the time. Then again, nobody really cares because we understand that sometimes, people want to be with other like-minded people and it's not the end of the world...

not liking things is fine saying "i don't like over the top gay pride parades" is fine saying "i don't care about gay pride parades so people should stop doing them because my eyes are being drawn to their vulgarity" is ridiculous At the end of the day individuals should do whatever it is that makes them happy, so long as doing so doesn't infringe on the rights of another. How important sexuality should or shouldn't be is an individual choice that's up to everyone to decide for themselves. It's a subjective question with no right or wrong answer. Thing is, you can't demand other people curtail to your standards. If just looking at a group of people is too much for you to handle, either learn to get over it or move on. Nobody's forcing you to stay.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;44209390]saying "i don't care about gay pride parades so people should stop doing them because my eyes are being drawn to their vulgarity" is ridiculous[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;44209390]If just looking at a group of people is too much for you to handle, either learn to get over it or move on. Nobody's forcing you to stay.[/QUOTE] I never said that. Stop saying I said that. I even specifically said in one of the previous posts that I don't support this argument. [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;44209390]At the end of the day individuals should do whatever it is that makes them happy, so long as doing so doesn't infringe on the rights of another. How important sexuality should or shouldn't be is an individual choice that's up to everyone to decide for themselves. It's a subjective question with no right or wrong answer.[/QUOTE] But sexuality has nothing to do with your personality. Gay people aren't different or something like that. It tells you nothing about a person. And aren't we adopting a position where nobody (except people involved ofc) should care with who and what you do in your bedroom and shouldn't have anything to say in the matter? [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;44209390]Thing is, you can't demand other people curtail to your standards. [/QUOTE] There are topics that you don't talk about unless someone wants to know. Those are private topics. Sharing private stuff with people that don't want to know is awkward, creepy, eyebrow-raising and generally not welcome. It's not just my standards. Why should there be exception for gays? Equality remember?