[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;47880528]Has nobody ever heard of having a glass of whiskey after hard day's work?
Note it's social stigma in tandem with rule of law, not just rule of law. If you're populace does not feel they should submit to your laws, you might as well not have them.
In the prohibition days whatever social stigma there was, it evidently only acted as window dressing.[/QUOTE]
Luckily for us this guy and his twisted ways of thinking are a minority and he has no place in mandating laws. Hot damn he is stubborn and clearly has no experience in how drugs work or how they effect their users.
Imagine this; you're 19, you're at your buddies party with 20-30 others and somebody pulls out a bag of who-the-fuck-knows-what. [I]Everybody[/I] tries some (of course, it's the cool thing to do - which, by the way, you stated above: [I]20 year olds are different because they're stupid and immature for the most part.[/I] (thanks for that), and obviously don't know any better. Next thing you know, you want and need more of this stuff and there's no way to get rid of the feeling.
That is exactly why these controlled injection sites exist. For people like that.
There is no sense in allowing them to endanger and destroy their own life for a few tax-payers dollars.
They have a serious problem that was the cause of them being "stupid and immature" and now they should be allowed to kill themselves over it and not have any way to do it in a safe environment?
Ok.
I fail to see how you justify binge-drinking to get drunk being okay due to them being "20 and immature and stupid" but you fail to see how the same can just as easily be done with drugs.
[QUOTE] I lost an uncle to hard drugs because he didn't have access to what he needed, so I suppose he decided it would be easier to kill himself than to die from withdrawal.[/QUOTE]
I'm a little late to comment, but that is exactly what happened to my uncle, and I'm sorry for your loss.
[QUOTE=BazzBerry;47880652]Luckily for us this guy and his twisted ways of thinking are a minority[/QUOTE]
For now perhaps.
[QUOTE]Imagine this; you're 19, you're at your buddies party with 20-30 others and somebody pulls out a bag of who-the-fuck-knows-what. [I]Everybody[/I] tries some (of course, it's the cool thing to do - which, by the way, you stated above: [I]20 year olds are different because they're stupid and immature for the most part.[/I] (thanks for that), and obviously don't know any better. Next thing you know, you want and need more of this stuff and there's no way to get rid of the feeling.
That is exactly why these controlled injection sites exist. For people like that.
There is no sense in allowing them to endanger and destroy their own life for a few tax-payers dollars.
They have a serious problem that was the cause of them being "stupid and immature" and now they should be allowed to kill themselves over it and not have any means to a safe environment for it?
Ok.[/QUOTE]
Why do people always use little emotional appeals and anecdotes for these things? 20 year-olds may be stupid and immature, but they have personal agency and they most certainly know better, damn, they're not preschoolers. If anything your scenario confirms my position, a lack of social stigma, being "cool", is the real killer.
Also getting drunk is significantly less risky than getting addicted to " who-the-fuck-knows-what", I'll still fault them for it, but I'm more concerned with things that are immediately destructive.
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;47880528]Has nobody ever heard of having a glass of whiskey after hard day's work?
Note it's social stigma in tandem with rule of law, not just rule of law. If you're populace does not feel they should submit to your laws, you might as well not have them.
In the prohibition days whatever social stigma there was, it evidently only acted as window dressing.[/QUOTE]
Yeah but if you do that every day you have a problem. And you yourself have made it clear that the arbitrary line in the sand that you've drawn around alcohol being an acceptable drug is entirely hypocritical.
No, it was paired together. There's been serious taboo over most if not all drugs for the same length of time. Why does drug use like marijuana deserve incredibly harsh treatment to alcoholism of the acceptable sort you outline here?
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;47880704]For now perhaps.
Why do people always use little emotional appeals and anecdotes for these things? 20 year-olds may be stupid and immature, but they have personal agency and they most certainly know better, damn, they're not preschoolers. If anything your scenario confirms my position, a lack of social stigma, being "cool", is the real killer.[/QUOTE]
[quote]20 year-olds may be stupid and immature, but they have personal agency and they most certainly know better[/quote]
so why is it okay for them to binge drink, again?
it is just as, if not more, dangerous to them immediately to them then other drugs are.
Having a daily beer or whiskey has been tied to liver issues. Why do you get to decide you can hurt yourself like that but everyone who isn't like you has to just live a life that you deem acceptable?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47880712]Yeah but if you do that every day you have a problem. And you yourself have made it clear that the arbitrary line in the sand that you've drawn around alcohol being an acceptable drug is entirely hypocritical.
No, it was paired together. There's been serious taboo over most if not all drugs for the same length of time. Why does drug use like marijuana deserve incredibly harsh treatment to alcoholism of the acceptable sort you outline here?[/QUOTE]
Seriously? you were talking quite tall for someone he seems to have no understanding of this. It's kind of a commonplace activity to have 2-3 ounces of whiskey after a long day, it's not even enough to get drunk on. I know this might come as a shock, but some people don't drink to get drunk and genuinely enjoy the taste.
As for taboo, evidently there wasn't a taboo about alcohol amongst the large groups drinking it at the time, so for all intents and purposes it was mere window dressing.
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;47880528]Has nobody ever heard of having a glass of whiskey after hard day's work?[/QUOTE]
Have you ever heard of smoking a blunt with your friends after a hard days work? Oh wait, I forgot. That would be horrible drug culture.
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;47880752]Seriously? you were talking quite tall for someone he seems to have no understanding of this. It's kind of a commonplace activity to have 2-3 ounces of whiskey after a long day, it's not even enough to get drunk on. I know this might come as a shock, but some people don't drink to get drunk and genuinely enjoy the taste.
As for taboo, evidently there wasn't a taboo about alcohol amongst the large groups drinking it at the time, so for all intents and purposes it was mere window dressing.[/QUOTE]
Almost nobody drinks straight whisky just for the taste. Especially not every day.
I genuinely love whiskey, but drinking a glass every day is tied with liver issues.
How's your high horse? Good? Full of fallacies and arbitrary judgements that you pass off as being a fucking truth?
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47880767]You act like Insite allows you to just walk in, and get a heroin addiction. No. They do not. That is a fucking fallacy. An utter, disgusting, agenda driven, ignorant fallacy.
During the reign of prohibition, cocaine use has seen a 2000% uptake rate. How you think for ONE fucking second, that this helped prevent the lower classes get their hands on it, is just insane.
Do you have ANY concept of the drug trade that is carried on by the lowest class of society in the most downtrodden parts of society? Do you?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]I genuinely love whiskey, but drinking a glass every day is tied with liver issues.
How's your high horse? Good? Full of fallacies and arbitrary judgements that you pass off as being a fucking truth?[/QUOTE]
I find it fascinating how you fit perfectly into the liberal stereotype of assuming that everyone who disagrees with you does not want to improve the world. Obviously I must just want people to die and suffer universally.
You've also succeeded in the other hallmark of liberal argumentative tactics, dragging the discussion into a red-herring issue and bringing any useful conversation to a standstill. I'm not going to debate the inconsequential issues of whether having a small glass of whiskey daily might hurt you and whether young people should get blackout drunk.
No you just want to morally grandstand over everyone here and declare that what you think is fine is fine and what we think is fine is morally outrageous and terrible.
If you want to drink like that, RIGHT FUCKING ON, but why do you get to be a massive hypocrite on arbitrary bullshit about how other people enjoy their time?!
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;47880818]I find it fascinating how you fit perfectly into the liberal stereotype of assuming that everyone who disagrees with you does not want to improve the world. Obviously I must just want people to die and suffer universally.
You've also succeeded in the other hallmark of liberal argumentative tactics, dragging the discussion into a red-herring issue and bringing any useful conversation to a standstill. I'm not going to debate the inconsequential issues of whether having a small glass of whiskey daily might hurt you and whether young people should get blackout drunk.[/QUOTE]
I find the fact that you justify people getting blackout drunk because they are young and stupid, but are vehemently against any type of drug use (safe or not, regardless of if they are young and stupid) hypocritical and I think it is a useful discussion.
Stop trying to avoid your hypocrisy.
"Hi I like to drink daily and regularly but it's 1) not a problem and 2) none of your business's! Now excuse me while I take away your relaxants because I know what's best for you"
I so doubt you even understand how ridiculous you look.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47880829]No you just want to morally grandstand over everyone here and declare that what you think is fine is fine and what we think is fine is morally outrageous and terrible.[/QUOTE]
True to the stereotype.
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;47880848]True to the stereotype.[/QUOTE]
And you fit yours to a tee as well
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;47880848]True to the stereotype.[/QUOTE]
I feel like you're fitting this stereotype better then HumanAbyss is.. Look at yourself, buddy.
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;47880848]True to the stereotype.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, just keep calling him a stereotype. Whatever gives you an excuse not to address his points.
How you can't see your own hypocrisy raging like the fire of contradiction that it is is beyond me.
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[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47880842]"Hi I like to drink daily and regularly but it's 1) not a problem and 2) none of your business's! Now excuse me while I take away your relaxants because I know what's best for you"
I so doubt you even understand how ridiculous you look.[/QUOTE]
Like I know I'm mocking you here, but you basically sId this. What the fuck allows you to say that and ignore the hypocrisy it contains?
[editline]4th June 2015[/editline]
[QUOTE=Melkor;47880766]Have you ever heard of smoking a blunt with your friends after a hard days work? Oh wait, I forgot. That would be horrible drug culture.
[/QUOTE]
Also a great point you ignored.
But go ahead, just insult me. I know what that means.
I can't tell if it's hilarious or distressing that someone who is fine with getting blackout drunk and having a glass of whiskey daily has it out for people who use other drugs.
[QUOTE=Meakaira;47880687]I'm a little late to comment, but that is exactly what happened to my uncle, and I'm sorry for your loss.[/QUOTE]
I'm sorry for your loss as well brother; it pains me just as much that others have to face the same circumstance when it should have been easily prevented one way or another. That's why this all hits home.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47880749]Having a daily beer or whiskey has been tied to liver issues. Why do you get to decide you can hurt yourself like that but everyone who isn't like you has to just live a life that you deem acceptable?[/QUOTE]
Eating at Burger King has been tied to rates of obesity and studies have shown the snowboarders are 100% more likely to get into snowboarding accidents. We should ban these activities.
We should legalize every illegal drug ever because it will definitely have no negative impact on anything whatsoever. Fucking fascists.
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;47880471]Sometimes we must rise above impulsive emotions and appraise the larger context of a situation before taking action. Negative social stigma in tandem with the rule of law are vital if we are to minimize destructive behaviours.[/QUOTE]
No.
This is, quite literally, the exact opposite of what you want to do. It sounds insane, but hear me out here.
For starters, I'm only going to be talking about drug users whose habbits are actually destructive for the rest of this post, needs saying since there are loads of drug users who deal just fine.
Most extreme drug users have an utterly shit fucking life. That's usually why they use the drugs, so that they can escape. The shittier that their life is, the more they'll be pushed towards doing drugs, even if they know it's not the sensible choice.
The more you perpetuate the negative stigma of drug users, the more they'll be pushed to depression, and thus, the more they'll want to use drugs to escape.
Sanctions and bans against drugs have an even worse effect, pushing drug users to seek their drugs from illegal channels, ones which have absolutely no interest in their well being, quite the opposite as addictions are profitable for them.
Punishing people does not help them, and these are people who need help.
[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;47880471]And HumanAbyss claims I don't understand "the culture"...
Sometimes we must rise above impulsive emotions and appraise the larger context of a situation before taking action. Negative social stigma in tandem with the rule of law are vital if we are to minimize destructive behaviours.[/QUOTE]
are u a robot?
[editline]5th June 2015[/editline]
has social stigma ever actually minimized destructive behaviour?
[editline]5th June 2015[/editline]
stigma of drugs means people have to go to shady dealers and increase the chances of getting impure product and dying. that seems to be increasing the destruction.
stigma of prostitution means working girls have no union or law enforcement protection and increases the chance of getting murdered by psychopaths. that seems to be increasing the destruction.
etc you get the point (hopefully).
the biggest destroyer of stigma is understanding.
[QUOTE=Scum;47881267]are u a robot?
[editline]5th June 2015[/editline]
has social stigma ever actually minimized destructive behaviour?
[editline]5th June 2015[/editline]
stigma of drugs means people have to go to shady dealers and increase the chances of getting impure product and dying. that seems to be increasing the destruction.
stigma of prostitution means working girls have no union or law enforcement protection and increases the chance of getting murdered by psychopaths. that seems to be increasing the destruction.
etc you get the point (hopefully).
the biggest destroyer of stigma is understanding.[/QUOTE]
stigma of prostitution probably has something to do with human trafficking. And just because a drug is more 'pure' doesn't make it any safer.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;47881551]stigma of prostitution probably has something to do with human trafficking. And just because a drug is more 'pure' doesn't make it any safer.[/QUOTE]
Yes it does? If they get it on the streets and it's filled with other shit like filler chemicals or whatever then it's more dangerous to their health compared to if it was available at a safer place and more pure. No it doesn't make the drug itself safer, but it makes the way they use it safer.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;47881084]We should legalize every illegal drug ever because it will definitely have no negative impact on anything whatsoever. Fucking fascists.[/QUOTE]
lol yeah let druggies die in prison or of aids fuck em
Nice post though, really. Clearly harm reduction strategies developed by people ten times as smart as you are useless.
It's like i'm reading american news
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;47881551]stigma of prostitution probably has something to do with human trafficking. [b]And just because a drug is more 'pure' doesn't make it any safer.[/b][/QUOTE]
Yes it does. You have no idea what you're talking about do you?
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;47881551]stigma of prostitution probably has something to do with human trafficking. And just because a drug is more 'pure' doesn't make it any safer.[/QUOTE]
yes it does. people die every year all around the world cos they took what they thought was mdma but was really bath salts or cut with toxic shit.
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