Romney vows to not leagalise medical marijuana. "I will fight it tooth and nail"
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[QUOTE=Elecbullet;36931872]I know what a fucking social conservative is, and I am a social conservative. There is no part of the definition for "social conservative" that says that you must resist change when it is logically necessary.[/QUOTE]
Are you sure you're not a moderate?
[QUOTE=Conscript;36932314]What about opiates?[/QUOTE]
That's an exception to my opinion. Opiates are already getting you high, and are much more addictive than marijuana. In general, I don't think smoking weed should be used to treat illnesses unless needed, but if it were a case were someone needed painkillers, I definitely think they should smoke weed instead of using pills.
[QUOTE=da bloop;36932127]Honestly, i don't believe in "medicinal marijuana", and I can see why some people are still scared of the change. I believe it should be taxed, regulated like alcohol so we can study the active ingredients to create new medicine, and alternatives to pain pills. Smoking weed may work for some illnesses, but it also gets you high, and I don't think that any sort of long-term medicine should require you to get high in order to get your treatment. Not to mention the amount of people exaggerating minor ailments in order to get some weed.[/QUOTE]
Except the synthesized THC that pharmaceutical companies have created don't even work as well as Cannabis, because it's not even THC that has most of the medical benefits, it's CBD that does.
Not to mention opiates, benzos, nerve pain meds, ADHD stims, etc. that have pleasurable psychoactive effects. For depression and anxiety patients the act of "getting high" is the benefit itself, not the appetite stimulation or pain relief.
[QUOTE=da bloop;36932312]I've had relatively few medicines in my life, and I suppose you could argue that. But realistically speaking, taking anti-depressants or Tylenol is nothing like smoking weed.[/QUOTE]
Plenty of people use pharmaceuticals recreationally, so yes, it can be compared to cannabis.
[QUOTE=da bloop;36932430]That's an exception to my opinion. Opiates are already getting you high, and are much more addictive than marijuana. In general, I don't think smoking weed should be used to treat illnesses unless needed, but if it were a case were someone needed painkillers, I definitely think they should smoke weed instead of using pills.[/QUOTE]
You aren't presenting any reasoning behind your opinion. And refer to my post above, opiates are not an exception.
So no difference between Obama's DEA and Romney's DEA.
Yea more of the same.
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;36932487]So no difference between Obama's DEA and Romney's DEA.[/QUOTE]
Obama is a stupid cunt when it comes to weed, but he's all for med weed as long as it's "heavily controlled and monitored"
[QUOTE=butters757;36932459]Plenty of people use pharmaceuticals recreationally, so yes, it can be compared to cannabis.[/QUOTE]
I believe he was talking about OTC medications, in which case Dextromethorphan and Diphenhydramine, found in cough syrup and allergy meds respectively are the only examples now that Benzedrine and Ephedrine are mostly gone from store shelves.
[QUOTE=Conscript;36932314]What about opiates?[/QUOTE]
Opioid-based medicines aren't supposed to make you high, that's a side effect. Not really replying to anything specific here, just pointing it out because I've been on those myself on several occasions without getting high and still getting pain relief. I'm fairly certain that the "high" isn't the point of most of the drugs in this area. The opioids I were prescribed had a pretty big dosage gap between "effective pain relief" and "high".
[QUOTE=butters757;36932459]Plenty of people use pharmaceuticals recreationally, so yes, it can be compared to cannabis.[/QUOTE]
Eh, the only things I've heard of people getting high off of on purpose are cough medicine and allergy medicine. And even then, I bet the number of people bullshitting to get a medical card are much higher than those drinking Nyquil and whatnot. But then again, I have no numbers or facts to hold up that statement, only an opinion.
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;36932487]So no difference between Obama's DEA and Romney's DEA.
Yea more of the same.[/QUOTE]
No, because Obama probably wouldn't veto a national legalization bill were something ridiculous like that to actually pass the house and senate.
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[QUOTE=da bloop;36932579]Eh, the only things I've heard of people getting high off of on purpose are cough medicine and allergy medicine. And even then, I bet the number of people bullshitting to get a medical card are much higher than those drinking Nyquil and whatnot. But then again, I have no numbers or facts to hold up that statement, only an opinion.[/QUOTE]
So, how do you define "bullshitting" to get a medical card? Are depression, lack of appetite, aches or pains, or sleeplessness less valid reasons than being a cancer patient?
And that's the end of your shot at the presidency.
We'll take “probably continuing to jail pot users" over "definitely jail more pot users."
It depends on the severity of the ailment. If you are anorexic, have severe depression, or some nerve disorder that causes chronic pain, then weed may or may not be the right medicine to use. But i'm talking about people that have these symptoms already, and are not largely effected by them, but use them to get a card.
[QUOTE=da bloop;36932702]It depends on the severity of the ailment. If you are anorexic, have severe depression, or some nerve disorder that causes chronic pain, then weed may or may not be the right medicine to use. But i'm talking about people that have these symptoms already, and are not largely effected by them, but use them to get a card.[/QUOTE]
So, because these people have the symptoms before getting a medical card, and then get a medical card by stating that they HAVE these symptoms they're "bullshitting". I'm really having trouble understanding your logic here.
When I think bullshitting, I usually think it's synonymous with lying.
[QUOTE=da bloop;36932702]It depends on the severity of the ailment. If you are anorexic, have severe depression, or some nerve disorder that causes chronic pain, then weed may or may not be the right medicine to use. But i'm talking about people that have these symptoms already, and are not largely effected by them, but use them to get a card.[/QUOTE]
If they have the symptoms then they are largely affected by the ailment, the hell are you talking about?
[QUOTE=BurningPlayd0h;36932749]So, because these people have the symptoms before getting a medical card, and then get a medical card by stating that they HAVE these symptoms they're "bullshitting". I'm really having trouble understanding your logic here.[/QUOTE]
Lots of people have issues but they are against addictive pills so they don't bother getting stuff from the doctor and either tough it out or use weed illegally. I guess they're just fakers, not that it should matter. If you want to use it as a muscle relaxant when you're aching from work you should be able to have at it.
I watched a video today on how Romney blocks gay marriage as told by someone who was directly affected by it. Needless to say it was pretty damn atrocious. Romney needs to just fuck off before his efforts to roll society backwards actually has some sort of effect.
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;36932806]Lots of people have issues but they are against addictive pills so they don't bother getting stuff from the doctor and either tough it out or use weed illegally. I guess they're just fakers, not that it should matter. If you want to use it as a muscle relaxant when you're aching from work you should be able to have at it.[/QUOTE]
Exactly my point, he implied that the people who use their symptoms to get medical cards are the ones "bullshitting".
[QUOTE=Elecbullet;36931779]I'm a social conservative [/QUOTE]
I'm sorry for your loss
[QUOTE=da bloop;36932579]Eh, the only things I've heard of people getting high off of on purpose are cough medicine and allergy medicine. And even then, I bet the number of people bullshitting to get a medical card are much higher than those drinking Nyquil and whatnot. But then again, I have no numbers or facts to hold up that statement, only an opinion.[/QUOTE]
There are way more pharmaceuticals that are used recreationally than just cough and allergy.
[quote]Research participants reported the recreational use of a wide variety of prescription drugs, including narcotic analgesics (e.g., Demerol, Percocet, OxyContin, Vicodin), central nervous system stimulants (e.g., Adderall, Dexedrine, Ritalin) and anxiolytics (e.g., Diazepam, Valium, Xanax), as well as anti-depressants (e.g., Amitriptyline, Trazadone, Zoloft).[/quote]
[URL]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3121101/[/URL]
Full table: [URL]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3121101/table/T2/[/URL]
[QUOTE=butters757;36932874]There are way more pharmaceuticals that are abused than just cough and allergy.
[url]http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3121101/[/url][/QUOTE]
He was talking about OTC drugs.
[QUOTE=BurningPlayd0h;36932857]Exactly my point, he implied that the people who use their symptoms to get medical cards are the ones "bullshitting".[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I was agreeing.
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;36932516]Obama is a stupid cunt when it comes to weed, but he's all for med weed as long as it's "heavily controlled and monitored"[/QUOTE]
[URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/medical-marijuana-meets-hostility-from-obama-administration/2012/05/04/gIQA80GK2T_story.html"]Last month Obama clarified his position on medical marijuana, saying on a late-night show that “we’re not going to be legalizing weed . . . anytime soon.” This after he had recently told an interviewer: “I never made a commitment that somehow we were going to give carte blanche to large-scale producers and operators of marijuana — and the reason is, because it’s against federal law. I can’t nullify congressional law.” [/URL]
He's just about as anti-weed as Bush was.
[QUOTE=BurningPlayd0h;36932749]So, because these people have the symptoms before getting a medical card, and then get a medical card by stating that they HAVE these symptoms they're "bullshitting". I'm really having trouble understanding your logic here.[/QUOTE]
I'm saying that some people will do whatever they can to get high legally, whether it be by pain pills, weed, or whatever. I'm talking about people who have these symptoms, but barely. Kind of like everyone has trouble eating, or difficulty sleeping every so often, but saying it happens more often than not, and exaggerating how bad it is. I am by no means saying there aren't people who legitimately
need it, but I know a [B]lot[/B] of people who have told me they would make up some symptom or somehow convince a doctor in order to get a card, and relatively few people who would benefit more from using marijuana as a medicine, rather than what is given out currently.
[QUOTE=Disotrtion;36932989][URL="http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/medical-marijuana-meets-hostility-from-obama-administration/2012/05/04/gIQA80GK2T_story.html"]Last month Obama clarified his position on medical marijuana, saying on a late-night show that “we’re not going to be legalizing weed . . . anytime soon.” This after he had recently told an interviewer: “I never made a commitment that somehow we were going to give carte blanche to large-scale producers and operators of marijuana — and the reason is, because it’s against federal law. I can’t nullify congressional law.” [/URL]
He's just about as anti-weed as Bush was.[/QUOTE]
Oh, I'm soooo sorry, I thought you were talking about Mitt Romney vs Barack Obama a moment ago. Let me check[QUOTE=Disotrtion;36932487]So no difference between Obama's DEA and Romney's DEA.
Yea more of the same.[/QUOTE] Would you look at that?
[QUOTE=da bloop;36933011]I'm saying that some people will do whatever they can to get high legally, whether it be by pain pills, weed, or whatever. I'm talking about people who have these symptoms, but barely. Kind of like everyone has trouble eating, or difficulty sleeping every so often, but saying it happens more often than not, and exaggerating how bad it is. I am by no means saying there aren't people who legitimately
need it, but I know a [B]lot[/B] of people who have told me they would make up some symptom or somehow convince a doctor in order to get a card, and relatively few people who would benefit more from using marijuana as a medicine, rather than what is given out currently.[/QUOTE]
So you jumped from having those symptoms, to only having minor occurrences of them, to making them up.
Someone who needs help sleeping, relieving pain, or getting to sleep is just as justified in getting a card under the law if their doctor believes so.
Fucking Romney man....
Is the average american really this dumb to fall for this blatant shit just to win over voters?
[QUOTE=da bloop;36933011]I'm saying that some people will do whatever they can to get high legally, whether it be by pain pills, weed, or whatever. I'm talking about people who have these symptoms, but barely. Kind of like everyone has trouble eating, or difficulty sleeping every so often, but saying it happens more often than not, and exaggerating how bad it is. I am by no means saying there aren't people who legitimately
need it, but I know a [B]lot[/B] of people who have told me they would make up some symptom or somehow convince a doctor in order to get a card, and relatively few people who would benefit more from using marijuana as a medicine, rather than what is given out currently.[/QUOTE]
True dat
[QUOTE]In addition, though Los Angeles may have since cracked down on this practice in recent years, it is incredibly easy to obtain a medical marijuana card. (I know of at least three people who have the card by complaining about phantom back pain and depression.) There are signs in neighborhoods that advertise phone numbers and web sites that will provide information to the doctors that will prescribe medical marijuana cards.
Read more at[URL="http://www.medicaldaily.com/news/20120725/11086/los-angeles-medical-marijuana-dispensaries-outlawed.htm"] http://www.medicaldaily.com/news/20120725/11086/los-angeles-medical-marijuana-dispensaries-outlawed.htm#IzK2t1E3UPIIHOpR.99[/URL][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=da bloop;36933011]I'm saying that some people will do whatever they can to get high legally, whether it be by pain pills, weed, or whatever. I'm talking about people who have these symptoms, but barely. Kind of like everyone has trouble eating, or difficulty sleeping every so often, but saying it happens more often than not, and exaggerating how bad it is. I am by no means saying there aren't people who legitimately
need it, but I know a [B]lot[/B] of people who have told me they would make up some symptom or somehow convince a doctor in order to get a card, and relatively few people who would benefit more from using marijuana as a medicine, rather than what is given out currently.[/QUOTE]
So you're telling me I need to be forced to take pills if I have a restless night before a day where something is going on that I will need my energy? That I should tough it out and not eat a certain day even though I need to meet a certain amount of calories and nutrients a day?
Why can't I just smoke some fucking weed? Why why why?
[QUOTE=Kabstrac;36931868]it's so dumb how people fight marijuana like this. I don't like any drug of any kind, but the destruction alcohol causes compared to marijuana is just insane, and yet alcohol is legal.[/QUOTE]
Just about anything that can be a classified as a drug (excluding medical drugs) is bad, some dealers are trying to get marijuana made legal by trying to convince people it's beneficial to the body, while it really is the opposite.
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