• Romney vows to not leagalise medical marijuana. "I will fight it tooth and nail"
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What a dick.
[QUOTE=da bloop;36932127]Honestly, i don't believe in "medicinal marijuana", and I can see why some people are still scared of the change. I believe it should be taxed, regulated like alcohol so we can study the active ingredients to create new medicine, and alternatives to pain pills. Smoking weed may work for some illnesses, but it also gets you high, and I don't think that any sort of long-term medicine should require you to get high in order to get your treatment. Not to mention the amount of people exaggerating minor ailments in order to get some weed.[/QUOTE] There are neurological conditions where the people are in constant fits/spasms unless they've recently ingested weed. It really helps some people live- Not to mention the fact that under this guise, it will be able to get a foothold to become legal the way you describe it.
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;36933148]Just about anything that can be a classified as a drug (excluding medical drugs) is bad, some dealers are trying to get marijuana made legal by trying to convince people it's [B]beneficial to the body, while it really is the opposite[/B].[/QUOTE] oh but it is
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;36933148]Just about anything that can be a classified as a drug (excluding medical drugs) is bad, some dealers are trying to get marijuana made legal by trying to convince people it's beneficial to the body, while it really is the opposite.[/QUOTE] It IS a medical drug. Must pharma shred it into a pill and be pushed by your doctor for you to think otherwise? Drugs are drugs. Oh wait, in some states it IS recommended by a doctor, but I guess the dealers are lining their pockets, right? You're doing a Romney [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNv7lY-ZhKA[/media]
[QUOTE=da bloop;36933011]I'm saying that some people will do whatever they can to get high legally, whether it be by pain pills, weed, or whatever. I'm talking about people who have these symptoms, but barely. Kind of like everyone has trouble eating, or difficulty sleeping every so often, but saying it happens more often than not, and exaggerating how bad it is. I am by no means saying there aren't people who legitimately need it, but I know a [B]lot[/B] of people who have told me they would make up some symptom or somehow convince a doctor in order to get a card, and relatively few people who would benefit more from using marijuana as a medicine, rather than what is given out currently.[/QUOTE] And people being prescribed opiate and beznos never exaggerate at all?
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;36933074]Oh, I'm soooo sorry, I thought you were talking about Mitt Romney vs Barack Obama a moment ago. Let me check Would you look at that?[/QUOTE] The president before Barrack was tough on weed, Barrack himself was, and no matter what happens this November, the next president is going to do the same. You know its funny cause I mentioned Bush to illustrate that Bush's policy and Obama's policy on marijuana ARE EXACTLY THE SAME. [QUOTE]Michele Leonhart, a holdover from the Bush administration who was renominated by Obama to head the DEA.[/QUOTE] Obama's DEA kept the same type of rhetoric too. [QUOTE]In January 2011, weeks after Leonhart was confirmed, her agency updated a paper called "The DEA Position on Marijuana." With subject headings like THE FALLACY OF MARIJUANA FOR MEDICINAL USE and SMOKED MARIJUANA IS NOT MEDICINE, the paper simply regurgitated the Bush administration's ideological stance, in an attempt to walk back the Ogden memo. Sounding like Glenn Beck, the DEA even blamed "George Soros" and "a few billionaires, not broad grassroots support" for sustaining the medical-marijuana movement – even though polls show that 70 percent of Americans approve of medical pot. [/QUOTE] Read more: [URL="http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/obamas-war-on-pot-20120216"]http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/obamas-war-on-pot-20120216#ixzz21fe8UBEQ[/URL]
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;36933148]Just about anything that can be a classified as a drug (excluding medical drugs) is bad, some dealers are trying to get marijuana made legal by trying to convince people it's beneficial to the body, while it really is the opposite.[/QUOTE] When my mom had chemo, the doctors had to wear gloves, aprons, and face shields in case the IV were to leak onto them, in which case it would have given them severe chemical burns. Drugs such as Opiates and Benzodiazepines are addictive and have large potentials for overdoses. Your argument that dealers are trying to make Cannabis legal is beyond laughable. Legal Cannabis would be held to a much higher standard, and would easily put them out of business with competitive quality and price due to better supply and less risk. You also go to state that Cannabis and the chemicals it contains are harmful to the body. This is simply untrue, although burning anything and inhaling it is unhealthy, vaporized or orally ingested Cannabis does not have these health risks. Which is not to mention that no one has ever suffered from Emphysema, lung cancer, or COPD from smoking Cannabis alone. Why would medical drugs that have barely had their effects on the mind and body studied be any safer than Cannabis? I don't know why so many people have such blind faith in the statements of the government and medical corporations.
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;36933148]Just about anything that can be a classified as a drug (excluding medical drugs) is bad, some dealers are trying to get marijuana made legal by trying to convince people it's beneficial to the body, while it really is the opposite.[/QUOTE] Legalisation is [b]bad[/b] for dealers, you realise that? It's in their best interest to keep it illegal (although they will often express otherwise).
[QUOTE=TamTamJam;36933267]Legalisation is [b]bad[/b] for dealers, you realise that? It's in their best interest to keep it illegal (although they will often express otherwise).[/QUOTE] Oh, but god forbid some hoodlum peddling a dangerous drug to our vulnerable, impressionable children actually has morals! (gasp!) [editline]25th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;36933205]It IS a medical drug. Must pharma shred it into a pill and be pushed by your doctor for you to think otherwise? Drugs are drugs. Oh wait, in some states it IS recommended by a doctor, but I guess the dealers are lining their pockets, right? You're doing a Romney [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNv7lY-ZhKA[/media][/QUOTE] Romney is such a fucking piece of shit, I almost can't even believe it.
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;36933205]It IS a medical drug. Must pharma shred it into a pill and be pushed by your doctor for you to think otherwise? Drugs are drugs. Oh wait, in some states it IS recommended by a doctor, but I guess the dealers are lining their pockets, right? You're doing a Romney[/QUOTE] I was stupid and didn't realize the word "Medical" in the title :suicide: I thought were talking about non-medical cannabis uses, some people out there can't stay away from using it for more than five minutes.
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;36933393]I was stupid and didn't realize the word "Medical" in the title :suicide: I thought were talking about non-medical cannabis uses, some people out there can't stay away from using it for more than five minutes.[/QUOTE] Some people have no self control so everyone else should be punished for it. Great reasoning. And you JUST said it has no medical value and in fact it's the opposite. They don't spray weed at dispensaries with some sort of wonder coating. The weed you get from there is the same weed you get everywhere else.
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;36933393]I was stupid and didn't realize the word "Medical" in the title :suicide: I thought were talking about non-medical cannabis uses, some people out there can't stay away from using it for more than five minutes.[/QUOTE] So no recreational use should be allowed in your opinion, because a tiny portion of recreational users can't control their intake?
[QUOTE=TamTamJam;36933455]So no recreational use should be allowed in your opinion, because a tiny portion of recreational users can't control their intake?[/QUOTE] Guess we should outlaw alcohol, tobacco, prescription drugs, OTC drugs, fast food, video games, and anything else that people do too much as well.
[QUOTE=TamTamJam;36933455]So no recreational use should be allowed in your opinion, because a tiny portion of recreational users can't control their intake?[/QUOTE] Calling it a "tiny portion" is a blatant understatement, I know a few who misuse it but at the same time there's a equal amount of people who don't.
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;36933585]Calling it a "tiny portion" is a blatant understatement, I know a few who misuse it but at the same time there's a equal amount of people who don't.[/QUOTE] Do you even smoke weed because I'm thinking in your eyes they essentially doped out like as if they were on heroin when in fact they're not and they can still do whatever they could while sober.
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;36933585]Calling it a "tiny portion" is a blatant understatement, I know a few who misuse it but at the same time there's a equal amount of people who don't.[/QUOTE] Oh, so because you know these people it proves that the global use of Cannabis is split between responsible users and abusers? I would love to hear your counter-argument Aphtonites.
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;36933585]Calling it a "tiny portion" is a blatant understatement, I know a few who misuse it but at the same time there's a equal amount of people who don't.[/QUOTE] A tiny portion, in terms of cannabis (even smaller in medical users) seems right to me. I don't know what your definition of 'misuse' is; if it's when you cannot control your intake, yes, it's a very small portion of users that exhibit this. I can smoke cannabis every night for a week straight and stop suddenly and suffer no cravings or anything if I run out. I don't even have that much of a will to go buy more. Obviously this is not the same for everybody, some people just like to smoke it more, but that's largely different from people who habitually use it.
[QUOTE=Aphtonites;36933148]Just about anything that can be a classified as a drug (excluding medical drugs) is bad, some dealers are trying to get marijuana made legal by trying to convince people it's beneficial to the body, while it really is the opposite.[/QUOTE] why would a black market drug dealer want his product to be legalized it would end his business immediately
I want to find some people that don't want legalized marijuana and actually understand what it does. That would be the day.
[QUOTE=da bloop;36932127]Honestly, i don't believe in "medicinal marijuana", and I can see why some people are still scared of the change. I believe it should be taxed, regulated like alcohol so we can study the active ingredients to create new medicine, and alternatives to pain pills. Smoking weed may work for some illnesses, but it also gets you high, and I don't think that any sort of long-term medicine should require you to get high in order to get your treatment. Not to mention the amount of people exaggerating minor ailments in order to get some weed.[/QUOTE] Opiates, the legal painkillers, have roughly the same effectiveness as pot at painkilling. They are, however, derived from the heroine plant, are extremely addictive and are, statistically, one of the most dangerous drugs out there. They can also get you really high. There is a very high risk of addiction for the painkillers we use for chronic conditions today, and withdrawal is potentially fatal. Pot is infinitely safer as a painkiller. It also serves as effective treatment for glaucoma in addition to an extremely effective treatment following chemotherapy for cancer patients suffering from lack of appetite and debilitating nausea. To boot, pot is not physically addictive and may be ingested in a variety of ways to mitigate its few harmful effects. [editline]25th July 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Aphtonites;36933148]Just about anything that can be a classified as a drug (excluding medical drugs) is bad, some dealers are trying to get marijuana made legal by trying to convince people it's beneficial to the body, while it really is the opposite.[/QUOTE] uhh what the fuck are you talking about. dealers, by and large, do NOT want pot to be legalized, because then they'll lose their source of income to licensed dispensaries. That, and every scientific study on the substance has proven time and time again that the effects of cannabis are even less dangerous (and less addictive) than caffeine. Many studies of which were funded by pharmaceutical companies seeking the [I]opposite[/I] results.
Mitt Romney needs to take the 12:00 Get Fucked express to Eat a Dick Central.
[QUOTE=Lankist;36935736]Opiates, the legal painkillers, have roughly the same effectiveness as pot at painkilling. They are, however, derived from the heroine plant, are extremely addictive and are, statistically, one of the most dangerous drugs out there. They can also get you really high. There is a very high risk of addiction for the painkillers we use for chronic conditions today, and withdrawal is potentially fatal. Pot is infinitely safer as a painkiller. It also serves as effective treatment for glaucoma in addition to an extremely effective treatment following chemotherapy for cancer patients suffering from lack of appetite and debilitating nausea. To boot, pot is not physically addictive and may be ingested in a variety of ways to mitigate its few harmful effects. [editline]25th July 2012[/editline] uhh what the fuck are you talking about. dealers, by and large, do NOT want pot to be legalized, because then they'll lose their source of income to licensed dispensaries. That, and every scientific study on the substance has proven time and time again that the effects of cannabis are even less dangerous (and less addictive) than caffeine. Many studies of which were funded by pharmaceutical companies seeking the [I]opposite[/I] results.[/QUOTE] I agree completely, except that opiates/opioids are derived from the opium poppy, the street drug composed mainly of diacetylmorphine is known as heroin.
So he want's to take away guns and medicinal drugs. How does he plan to get non-Mormon votes again?
wait, he wants to get rid of guns? I thought?...
[QUOTE=Lankist;36935736]Opiates, the legal painkillers, have roughly the same effectiveness as pot at painkilling. They are, however, derived from the heroine plant, are extremely addictive and are, statistically, one of the most dangerous drugs out there. They can also get you really high. There is a very high risk of addiction for the painkillers we use for chronic conditions today, and withdrawal is potentially fatal.[/QUOTE] Withdrawal from opiates can't be fatal.
[QUOTE=TamTamJam;36936733]Withdrawal from opiates can't be fatal.[/QUOTE] opiate withdrawal causes tachycardia, and can very easily cause heart attack or stroke if not properly treated. Drug addicts who quit cold turkey involuntarily have a way of not going to hospitals. Yes, it can be lethal. The conditions cold-turkey withdrawal causes are extremely dangerous. Even if they aren't fatal, the stresses your body would endure can very easily result in permanent damage. It's why rehab centers often ween patients off the drugs with low-concentration substitutes.
[QUOTE=Lankist;36936909]opiate withdrawal causes tachycardia, and can very easily cause heart attack or stroke if not properly treated. Drug addicts who quit cold turkey involuntarily have a way of not going to hospitals. Yes, it can be lethal. The conditions cold-turkey withdrawal causes are extremely dangerous. Even if they aren't fatal, the stresses your body would endure can very easily result in permanent damage. It's why rehab centers often ween patients off the drugs with low-concentration substitutes.[/QUOTE] I was talking about physical withdrawal symptoms actually causing death. Opioids/opiates don't cause delirium tremens.
[QUOTE=TamTamJam;36937027]I was talking about physical withdrawal symptoms actually causing death. Opioids/opiates don't cause delirium tremens.[/QUOTE] If you're limiting it to effects which only directly cause death, then no drugs are dangerous. That is not, unfortunately, how the human body functions, and that kind of attitude will put you in a very bad way if dictates your judgement. Everything is a ripple effect.
Not legalizing all drugs is not thing, as there are actual good reasons not to legalize them. But medical marijuana ? Come the fuck on, is he even remotely informed on it ?
[QUOTE=Lankist;36937042]If you're limiting it to effects which only directly cause death, then no drugs are dangerous. That is not, unfortunately, how the human body functions, and that kind of attitude will put you in a very bad way if dictates your judgement. Everything is a ripple effect.[/QUOTE] I'm not talking about effects that directly cause death, the mortality rate for delirium tremens is 5-15%, which isn't that high considering an even smaller amount of people withdrawing from substances are affected by it. The only known substances that can cause it are sedative hypnotics (benzodiazepines, barbiturates, alcohol).
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