[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27537458]ok, the tea party is not racist, sure. but their economic and social ideas are still terrible. The fact that they want to gut social programs is terrible, the fact that they, en masse, oppose gay rights is terrible, the fact that, statistically, the majority of them think Obama was born in kenya is terrible. There are lots and lots and lots of good reasons to hate the tea party aside from them supposedly being racist. Stop acting like they're some misunderstood underdog who, if we just took the time to learn about them, we'd come to love. I understand the tea party completely and i still don't like them[/QUOTE]
[Citation Needed]
[QUOTE=Ridge;27537438]There are idiots that will spout off hateful words in every large group. Not just political groups, but all groups. Intolerant people exist in every faction of society.[/QUOTE]
Then you get more than half the tea party thinking black people aren't hard working, and 88% agreeing with the recently passed Arizona immigration legislation and you realize that it isn't just a few of them that are racially intolerant. This is just a nice way of saying fucking retarded racist.
Obviously they aren't all stupid but the tea party as a whole isn't the most intelligent movement.
Sigma-Lambda, keep up the good fight.
[QUOTE=Ridge;27537477][Citation Needed][/QUOTE]
they're a bunch of socially conservative birthers
[url]http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20002539-503544.html[/url]
[url]http://gayrights.change.org/blog/view/montana_tea_party_leader_endorses_violence_toward_gay_people[/url]
[url]http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-08-25/tea-party-embraces-pro-life-christian-conservative-ideals/[/url]
(don't complain about the sources, they're properly sourced)
and you seriously can't deny that the central idea of the tea party is to cut government spending, even at the expense of important social programs
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;27537489]Then you get more than half the tea party thinking black people aren't hard working, and 88% agreeing with the recently passed Arizona immigration legislation and you realize that it isn't just a few of them that are racially intolerant. This is just a nice way of saying fucking retarded racist.
Obviously they aren't all stupid but the tea party as a whole isn't the most intelligent movement.[/QUOTE]
What part of the AZ immigration law is racist?
Also, some dangerous rhetoric from the left:
[img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kMs_q1g_CmQ/TSojmXwl_aI/AAAAAAAAFSk/PEqwW0TdlkU/s1600/Kill%2BBush%2B1.jpg[/img] [img]http://amcop.blogspot.com/bush%20drop%20dead.JPG[/img] [img]http://adweek.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/bush_2.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20081027&t=2&i=6547344&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=700&pl=300&r=2008-10-27T195741Z_01_BTRE49Q1JGB00_RTROPTP_0_USA-POLITICS-PALIN-EFFIGY[/img] [img]http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/dope.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/wp-content/images2009/Bush_is_the_disease.jpg[/img]
[img]http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/wp-content/images2009/headshotringo.jpg[/img] [img]http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/change-for-assassination-of-george-bush.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;27537473]The thing you posted isn't directly violent anyway.
If you're going to make some kind of blanket statement like "big liberal news ignores violent liberal rhetoric" you should actually find some proper violent liberal rhetoric.
The burden of proof rests with whom asserts the statement. Don't tell me to Google because I really don't care.[/QUOTE]
Neither is Palin's campaign poster. Neither is talk radio. Neither is Fox News.
Yet the news will show that while leaving out any anti conservative piece of the same nature. What happened to Obama calling Republicans "Hostage takers". What about all the political cartoons showing decapicated Bush?
Its a double standard.
[QUOTE=ChristopherB;27537520]Sigma-Lambda, keep up the good fight.[/QUOTE]
it's not the good fight. It's a terrible fight. It's a fight against people who, when faced with COMMON KNOWLEDGE about the tea parties, stuff that is blatantly obvious to anyone who has ever been to one of their rallies (like the fact that they're a bunch of social conservative birthers) will insist upon that claim being sourced so they can continue to pretend that it's just some strictly economic libertarian movement
[editline]19th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ridge;27537526]What part of the AZ immigration law is racist?
Also, some dangerous rhetoric from the left:
[img_thumb]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kMs_q1g_CmQ/TSojmXwl_aI/AAAAAAAAFSk/PEqwW0TdlkU/s1600/Kill%2BBush%2B1.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://amcop.blogspot.com/bush%20drop%20dead.JPG[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://adweek.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/bush_2.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
where did I say it didn't exist? so that makes all liberals terrorists? also I gave you your sources. You'd have to be blind not to see that the tea parties are a socially conservative movement
[editline]19th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=FHamster;27537530]Neither is Palin's campaign poster. Neither is talk radio. Neither is Fox News.
Yet the news will show that while leaving out any anti conservative piece of the same nature. What happened to Obama calling Republicans "Hostage takers". What about all the political cartoons showing decapicated Bush?
Its a double standard.[/QUOTE]
no it's not a double standard because the conservative media is just as bad as you claim the liberal media is. It's not a double standard, it's a single standard. everyone is equally shitty.
[QUOTE=Ridge;27537526]What part of the AZ immigration law is racist?
[/QUOTE]
[quote]SB1070, appropriately dubbed the “Papers, Please” bill by its detractors, forces all law enforcement agencies in Arizona to ask for proof of legal residency or citizenship if an officer feels “reasonable suspicion” that a person is an illegal immigrant. [/quote]
Police can basically just ask anyone who they think is an illegal immigrant for ID, and if you look at the police's track record with how they treat black people, one can assume that they will target Hispanic people for random IDing. But that's just speculation.
At worst it condones racial profiling.
[editline]20th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Ridge;27537526]
[img_thumb]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_kMs_q1g_CmQ/TSojmXwl_aI/AAAAAAAAFSk/PEqwW0TdlkU/s1600/Kill%2BBush%2B1.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://amcop.blogspot.com/bush%20drop%20dead.JPG[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://adweek.blogs.com/photos/uncategorized/bush_2.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://www.reuters.com/resources/r/?m=02&d=20081027&t=2&i=6547344&w=&fh=&fw=&ll=700&pl=300&r=2008-10-27T195741Z_01_BTRE49Q1JGB00_RTROPTP_0_USA-POLITICS-PALIN-EFFIGY[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://michellemalkin.cachefly.net/michellemalkin.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/dope.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/wp-content/images2009/Bush_is_the_disease.jpg[/img_thumb]
[img_thumb]http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/wp-content/images2009/headshotringo.jpg[/img_thumb] [img_thumb]http://www.anorak.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/change-for-assassination-of-george-bush.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE]
Hmm I was wrong
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27537542]
where did I say it didn't exist? so that makes all liberals terrorists?
[editline]19th January 2011[/editline]
no it's not a double standard because the conservative media is just as bad as you claim the liberal media is. It's not a double standard, it's a single standard. everyone is equally shitty.[/QUOTE]
No conservative personality blamed Jared Loughner to be influenced by leftist rhetoric yet liberal sites post stuff like "Mission Accomplished Sarah Palin" as an immediate response to the shooting.
[QUOTE=FHamster;27537625]No conservative personality blamed Jared Loughner to be influenced by leftist rhetoric yet liberal sites post stuff like "Mission Accomplished Sarah Palin" as an immediate response to the shooting.[/QUOTE]
oh well some website some nobody posts on the internet proves everything.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27537647]oh well some website some nobody posts on the internet proves everything.[/QUOTE]
Jane Fonda?
[QUOTE=Ridge;27537659]Jane Fonda?[/QUOTE]
I AM NOT DENYING THAT THERE ARE VIOLENT LIBERALS. I am saying that there are violent liberals and conservatives, so pointing to examples of one or the other trying to prove some point is dumb
also, I gave you your sources and you ignored them. The tea party is, without a doubt, a socially conservative movement, and you're either deluding yourself or have never been to a rally if you think otherwise
[QUOTE=Ridge;27537438]There are idiots that will spout off hateful words in every large group. Not just political groups, but all groups. Intolerant people exist in every faction of society.[/QUOTE]
Why are all your tea party favorites so goddamn stupid then?
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27537647]oh well some website some nobody posts on the internet proves everything.[/QUOTE]
Markos Moulitsas writes his own blog.
[QUOTE=FHamster;27537530]Neither is Palin's campaign poster. Neither is talk radio. Neither is Fox News.
Yet the news will show that while leaving out any anti conservative piece of the same nature. What happened to Obama calling Republicans "Hostage takers". What about all the political cartoons showing decapicated Bush?
Its a double standard.[/QUOTE]
To be fair Palin posted a crosshair over a state where she wanted the senator (Giffords) and used a gun analogy, which is misleading AT BEST.
"Don't retreat, reload!" or something along those lines.
Also, Fox news has said some seriously retarded shit. Continuously emphasizing Obama's name during the 2008 election run and continuously comparing him to Osama Bin Laden. Talk show hosts making rediculous statements like saying that science can't prove how tides work.
And there's tons of videos/pictures with people saying they're going to kill Obama, it's not like liberals are the only ones.
Maybe it is a double standard but it's not like fox is a bunch of saints and the liberals are concealing absolutely everything.
[QUOTE=FHamster;27537687]Markos Moulitsas writes his own blog.[/QUOTE]
my aunt has a blog
[QUOTE=FHamster;27537625]No conservative personality blamed Jared Loughner to be influenced by leftist rhetoric yet liberal sites post stuff like "Mission Accomplished Sarah Palin" as an immediate response to the shooting.[/QUOTE]
Sarah Palin did
[QUOTE=Habsburg;27537693]Sarah Palin did[/QUOTE]
broseph (a poster on these forums) had a mental breakdown and is convinced that loughner was a liberal plant to make the conservatives look bad. there are crazies on all sides. that's the point I'm making.
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27537700]broseph (a poster on these forums) had a mental breakdown and is convinced that loughner was a liberal plant to make the conservatives look bad. there are crazies on all sides. that's the point I'm making.[/QUOTE]
Actually I was talking to him on steam and he seemed to think that because Loughner liked the communist manifesto that he might've been a left wing crazy posing to be right. He actually turned out to be rather inquisitive and just didn't want to admit that he was wrong after a few pages.
[QUOTE=sloppy_joes;27537717]Actually I was talking to him on steam and he seemed to think that because Loughner liked the communist manifesto that he might've been a left wing crazy posing to be right. He actually turned out to be rather inquisitive and just didn't want to admit that he was wrong after a few pages.[/QUOTE]
my point still stands that pointing to certain examples of right wing or left wing violence doesn't prove any damn thing
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27537302]persecution complex[/QUOTE]
Say persecution complex one more time mother fucker.
[QUOTE=Sharp;27538577]Say persecution complex one more time mother fucker.[/QUOTE]
Clexepution compres.
[QUOTE=Ridge;27536134]In before the Tea Party accusations[/QUOTE]
I though most knew that the Tea Party were pretty much Republicans who weren't happy with how their party ended up?
[QUOTE=Sigma-Lambda;27536910]shut up about your dumb persecution complex
[editline]19th January 2011[/editline]
whenever something bad happens you preemptively cry "YOU GUYS ARE GOING TO BLAME TEA PARTIERS/REPUBLICANS FOR IT" regardless of whether or not that will actually happen so you can pretend to be victimized without ever actually being victimized. You are creating an argument against yourself out of thin air so you can shoot it down before it has been genuinely made. no one cares about your "boo hoo you guys are so mean to me and my conservative buddies. I come and post inflammatory statements in your threads and you guys are mean to me in response" sob story
[editline]19th January 2011[/editline]
shut up or i will beat you to death with my fists of fury[/QUOTE]
boom roasted, take a seat
You're all stupid.
It's obviously Westboro that planted the bomb.
[QUOTE=Habsburg;27537685]Why are all your tea party favorites so goddamn stupid then?[/QUOTE]
Tea Party favorites? I've never even heard of the people mentioned in that Wiki article.
Ridge, "your guys are as bad as my guys" isn't a defense it's an admission of guilt
[QUOTE=Zeke129;27552993]Ridge, "your guys are as bad as my guys" isn't a defense it's an admission of guilt[/QUOTE]
Well neither the Tea Party nor the Republicans are "my guys"
[editline]20th January 2011[/editline]
I liked the Tea Party when it was about stopping wasteful spending, but then it started to try to be about all big political shtick, and that is when I jumped ship.
[QUOTE=Ridge;27552840]Tea Party favorites? I've never even heard of the people mentioned in that Wiki article.[/QUOTE]
Bachmann, Rand Paul, DeMint, Angle, Joe Miller?
[QUOTE=Habsburg;27555824]Bachmann, Rand Paul, DeMint, Angle, Joe Miller?[/QUOTE]
Don't forget Palin and [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christine_O%27Donnell]Mini-Me![/url][U][/U][URL="http://Mini-Me%21"][/URL]
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