Elements of the US Pacific Naval fleet embark for Japan to help. - Polidicks

we are badass fleet in whole world

USS Ronald Reagan arrived at 1 P.M. EST. [url]http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/12/us-japan-quake-usa-aid-idUSTRE72B3KD20110312[/url]

We need to make a Japan Earthquake Megathread.

i think i got a buddy on the USS george washington i remember him baking a cake of it in the navy for his crewmates it was like 6 feet long, i had a picture of it on facebook somewhere :C

[QUOTE=del-re-re;28553589]lol USS Ronald Regan that just sounds silly[/QUOTE] Probably because it's "Reagan".

[QUOTE=-AJ-;28561942]This is amazing, good going America.[/QUOTE] It probably has some sort of underlying secret to it.

Damn the US Navy is awesome

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;28578980]Damn the US Navy is awesome[/QUOTE] Cept when they kill people which is the soul reason it exists.

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;28578984]Cept when they kill people which is the soul reason it exists.[/QUOTE] Then why are they helping people ?

[QUOTE=Lamar;28553395]heh, people care about tsunamis and earthquakes only when they hit first world countries. Still nice of the Navy I suppose.[/QUOTE] Thailand was by no definition a first world country. So, no.

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;28559490]They were not the only option.... How about a massive joint invasion of the Japanese mainland which would have included the commonwealth, soviet union, united states?[/QUOTE] Terrible idea, millions more would have died than those who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the cold war would probbly have went hot since there was no pre existing awe at the sheer power and obliteration of the weapons. Hiroshima and Nagasaki had to be hit for humanity to survive, in hindsight at least.

[QUOTE=bravehat;28579016]Terrible idea, millions more would have died than those who died in Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the cold war would probbly have went hot since there was no pre existing awe at the sheer power and obliteration of the weapons. Hiroshima and Nagasaki had to be hit for humanity to survive, in hindsight at least.[/QUOTE] Surviving wounded isnt exactly the best thing either.

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;28578984]Cept when they kill people which is the soul reason it exists.[/QUOTE] Sad fact of the matter is, every country needs people who are ready to kill. Don't like that and can't accept that, achieve world peace, or the easier option, leave our species.

[QUOTE=Laserbeams;28578993]Then why are they helping people ?[/QUOTE] Because they are a ally and they need help and an aircraft carrier has plenty of resources to offer that can help Japans current state. I meant "They are awesome when they dont kill shit". [editline]13th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=bravehat;28579028]Sad fact of the matter is, every country needs people who are ready to kill. Don't like that and can't accept that, achieve world peace, or the easier option, leave our species.[/QUOTE] You can't really leave ones species. It's your forever standing identity of what you are. I believe world peace is possible if we assassinate every single mangled politician in the world and replace them with civilians who are good minded to my definition which might not exactly be Hu Jintao's definition.

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;28579027]Surviving wounded isnt exactly the best thing either.[/QUOTE] ...I don't see how that is relevent in any way, the fact of the matter is if Japan didn't get bombed things would have been a lot worse, the war would have been drawn out, resources would still have to be funneled into the pacific theatre drawing out the european campaign and allowing the germans times to finish building their nuclear weapons and reactors. Even then if we won the war, Japan would have been divided between the soviets and the US, and the cold war wouldn't have been taken as seriously as the weapons would not have been used before and there would be no knowledge and fear of their power. We would have thrown the entire world back into the dark ages or we could have sacrificed a few million and two japanese cities. Make your choice.

[QUOTE=bravehat;28579061]...I don't see how that is relevent in any way, the fact of the matter is if Japan didn't get bombed things would have been a lot worse, the war would have been drawn out, resources would still have to be funneled into the pacific theatre drawing out the european campaign and allowing the germans times to finish building their nuclear weapons and reactors. Even then if we won the war, Japan would have been divided between the soviets and the US, and the cold war wouldn't have been taken as seriously as the weapons would not have been used before and there would be no knowledge and fear of their power. We would have thrown the entire world back into the dark ages or we could have sacrificed a few million and two japanese cities. Make your choice.[/QUOTE] I can't make my choice as it is 2011 not 1945. Also note that German had surrendered before the bombs were dropped.

Fair enough I was wrong on that point, either way the Japanese point blank refused to surrender and wouldn't until their country was in ashes and ruins, all we did was demonstrate we could deliver the idea of a burning Tokyo with relative ease if we wanted.

[QUOTE=bravehat;28579154]Fair enough I was wrong on that point, either way the Japanese point blank refused to surrender and wouldn't until their country was in ashes and ruins, all we did was demonstrate we could deliver the idea of a burning Tokyo with relative ease if we wanted.[/QUOTE] But the soviets had already invaded Manchuria, they were on the verge of surrender anyways.

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[QUOTE=doonbugie2;28579162]But the soviets had already invaded Manchuria, they were on the verge of surrender anyways.[/QUOTE] They were considering surrender when Nagasaki was hit, then the emperor said "Yo G you asshole best accept this deal ya dig?" and then the war was over and everyone went hooray! All we did was give them added incentive to surrender.

They weren't really considering surrender. They didn't even surrender after we annihilated an entire city in an instant, we had to do it a second time to convince them.

I suppose two atomic bombs are incentives, my point is it still could have been done effectively without atomic intervention. Japan knew they were going to be defeated anyways.

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;28579243]I suppose a Atomic bomb is a incentive, my point is it still could have been done effectively without atomic intervention.[/QUOTE] I would hardly call a land invasion effective. They fought tooth and nail over a bunch of rocks in the water, there is no way they'd give up their homeland that easy.

[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;28579259]I would hardly call a land invasion effective. They fought tooth and nail over a bunch of rocks in the water, there is no way they'd give up their homeland that easy.[/QUOTE] Okay, by 1945 alot of the soldiers that would have participated in a land invasion of japan would have been experienced, compared to the poorly fed and trained Japanese militia and severely weakened economy and resources.

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;28579243]I suppose two atomic bombs are incentives, my point is it still could have been done effectively without atomic intervention. Japan knew they were going to be defeated anyways.[/QUOTE] Yeah the japanese knew for a long time they weren't going to win, that really didn't do much to effect their morale, if anything it bolstered it. Fuck they even invented jet powered kamikaze missiles and torpedoes, dude these people were fanatical about the war, they're not just gonna go "oh well fuck, we gave it our best shot" and shake hands, they were determined to go down hard. Listen to me There was absolutely no efficient way to take them down, other than atomic weaponry. [editline]13th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=doonbugie2;28579272]Okay, by 1945 alot of the soldiers that would have participated in a land invasion of japan would have been experienced, compared to the poorly fed and trained Japanese militia and severely weakened economy and resources.[/QUOTE] Who were fighting on home gorund, for their culture, history, lives, family and honour. Bearing in mind how highly regarded honour is in asian cultures.

[QUOTE=bravehat;28579285]Yeah the japanese knew for a long time they weren't going to win, that really didn't do much to effect their morale, if anything it bolstered it. Fuck they even invented jet powered kamikaze missiles and torpedoes, dude these people were fanatical about the war, they're not just gonna go "oh well fuck, we gave it our best shot" and shake hands, they were determined to go down hard. Listen to me There was absolutely no efficient way to take them down, other than atomic weaponry. [editline]13th March 2011[/editline] Who were fighting on home gorund, for their culture, history, lives, family and honour. Bearing in mind how highly regarded honor is in Asian cultures.[/QUOTE] We still would have won quickly. Since the European theater is over I suggest all the resources be pooled into the pacific to overwhelm the Japanese to the point where they loose all hope.

BUT YOU'RE NOT GETTING THIS! MILLIONS MORE MEN WOULD HAVE DIED THAT WAY! The atom bombs were relatively quick and clean, an invasion would have been a hard, bloody and brutal slog all the way, and then there would still have been insurgency and rebellion to fight off with a land invasion. The nukes absolutely had to be dropped, and you can't just pull all he resources out of europe, there will still have been pockets of resistance, there were still people who needed to be hunted down for the nuremburg trials, there were still high value nazi scientists that needed to be captured. There is no way you could have pulled everything out, not even a large chunk of resources out of there considering that war effectively raped and pulverised infrastructure and towns all over europe. Honestly I think you just have an aversion to nuclear weaponry simple because it's nuclear weaponry, it was the fastest most effective, and most clinical way to stop Japan and force a surrender.

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;28579243]I suppose two atomic bombs are incentives, my point is it still could have been done effectively without atomic intervention. Japan knew they were going to be defeated anyways.[/QUOTE] it was estimated that more allied forces would have been killed if they invaded japan. japanese soldiers in the 40s, were, quite frankly-- fucking crazy sons of bitches that would do anything to kill you why do you think all the US navy boats sunk? japanese pilots ran out of ammo and crashed into them with their planes, killing themselves. they used suicide boats to crash into carriers, and some of the time they were right on target and managed to kill even more people.

[QUOTE=bravehat;28579363]BUT YOU'RE NOT GETTING THIS! MILLIONS MORE MEN WOULD HAVE DIED THAT WAY! The atom bombs were relatively quick and clean, an invasion would have been a hard, bloody and brutal slog all the way, and then there would still have been insurgency and rebellion to fight off with a land invasion. The nukes absolutely had to be dropped, and you can't just pull all he resources out of europe, there will still have been pockets of resistance, there were still people who needed to be hunted down for the nuremburg trials, there were still high value nazi scientists that needed to be captured. There is no way you could have pulled everything out, not even a large chunk of resources out of there considering that war effectively raped and pulverised infrastructure and towns all over europe. Honestly I think you just have an aversion to nuclear weaponry simple because it's nuclear weaponry, it was the fastest most effective, and most clinical way to stop Japan and force a surrender.[/QUOTE] What if atomic bombs had not been invented. I never said I was oppose to them.

[QUOTE=doonbugie2;28579272]Okay, by 1945 alot of the soldiers that would have participated in a land invasion of japan would have been experienced, compared to the poorly fed and trained Japanese militia and severely weakened economy and resources.[/QUOTE] But they still had a [I]lot[/I] of men willing to die for the emperor. They also had designed new tanks to stand up to the American M4 Sherman (previously they did not have any tanks that could match it). Not to mention their frighteningly effective [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suicide_Attack#Japanese_kamikaze]suicide attacks[/url], which would have definitely played a large part in the invasion. [editline]13th March 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=doonbugie2;28579323]We still would have won quickly. Since the European theater is over I suggest all the resources be pooled into the pacific to overwhelm the Japanese to the point where they loose all hope.[/QUOTE] That's exactly what they were going to do. Bring the tired battle-fatigued soldiers over from Europe and have them participate in the Invasion of Japan.