The Brazilian tribe that played by our rules, and lost - Polidicks

[QUOTE=valkery;34487544]Then educate me. Don't make statements like that unless you can back it up.[/QUOTE] australia has done nothing worse than any other country, nor even anywhere near as bad

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;34489018]Well 40,000 is the size of a reasonably sized town. There were more casualties in the first day of the battle of the Somme.[/QUOTE] Uh, an entire town of people displaced is a lot. where are you going with this.

[QUOTE=Exuberance;34489216]Uh, an entire town of people displaced is a lot. where are you going with this.[/QUOTE] Just that 40,000 people is very small considering that there are over 192,000,000 people in Brazil.

[QUOTE=LtBubbles;34488963]Guys, the discussion sort of goes beyond just this... I don't know much about it, i've been living under a rock in the last year but, the dam's construction has way too many ups and downs for anyone to pick a side with out a weight in it's consciousness In one way, nobody likes living in a third world country, progress has it's costs and you guys know it, you made it to the king's chair steamrolling everyone else in the planet, Brazil wants it's chair as a big country, and it is rushing towards it fast, while hydroenergy is the backbone of the plan. On the other way, the human loss is devastating, as you have already seen, and the dam isn't really THAT productive, if i remember it right, the thing wont even be working the whole year, only 4 months it will be working at it's maximum capacity, all the others will be below the normal capacity, thanks to the river. It's complicated guys, i really REALLY wish you guys researched after taking a position here. I really don't know what side to pick, it's much, MUCH different when you live in the country where these things happen and both the losses and the gains weight on your back. Edit: Also, i'm quite surprised this only made it to facepunch now, it has been in discussion here for plenty of months.[/QUOTE] It's also worth noting that there are something like 600 endemic species in the area that would be destroyed by the dam.

They can live under the sea, under the sea, darling it's better down were it's wetter.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;34489080]Apart from the poor.[/QUOTE] White poor people have a huge advantage over non-white poor people [editline]31st January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=abcpea2;34489189]australia has done nothing worse than any other country, nor even anywhere near as bad[/QUOTE] Actually, you did the same Read up about the Stolen Generations and compare it to residential schools

If they go ahead with this, plenty of undiscovered unique species will probably be lost forever. gg Brazil

This honestly just seems like a really lazy and reckless thing to do. Like honestly. Why can't they use Nuclear power or Oil power? There has got to be another way here.

[QUOTE=Eluveitie;34488588]We're still quite a racist country in terms of the general population. The racism has left politics though, which is good.[/QUOTE] Left politics my arse you're nuts if that's your view

[QUOTE=Upgrade123;34489769]If they go ahead with this, plenty of undiscovered unique species will probably be lost forever. gg Brazil[/QUOTE] This sounds like Americas job, can't they like bomb the forest before they flood it perhaps. Then the animals don't need to drown to death.

[QUOTE=abcpea2;34489189]australia has done nothing worse than any other country, nor even anywhere near as bad[/QUOTE] [quote][B]In 2010[/B], James Anaya, [B]a United Nations Special Rapporteur, found the Emergency Response to be racially discriminating and infringe on the human rights of Aboriginal people in the Northern Territory.[/B] Anaya acknowledged that emergency action was needed but said that [B]measures like banning alcohol and pornography and quarantining a percentage of welfare income for the purchase of essential goods represented a limitation on "individual autonomy".[/B][/quote] [editline]1st February 2012[/editline] It's okay though, it's "for the kids" aka the oldest reason for rights infringing rubbish

[QUOTE=Contag;34487999] My understanding was that Hispanics refers to the region of Hispania, which covers Portugal Please correct me if I'm wrong, it is on the other side of the world and all [/QUOTE] Yeah, but the great majority of brazilians are afro-descendants.

This article is from June. The Dam is already under construction. [video=youtube;Ck6oQZoT-ls]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ck6oQZoT-ls[/video] [IMG]http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/4237/damit.png[/IMG] [URL="http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/01/201212015366764400.html"]http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2012/01/201212015366764400.html[/URL]

[QUOTE=Swilly;34488533]Its not really fare for people from the US to state shit like this when we did it all those years ago to get us to the top.[/QUOTE] Yeah, because we personally kicked the Indians off their homeland.

we personally don't do a lot yet a lot of things happen. so "we personally didn't do it" isn't a good excuse

[QUOTE=thisispain;34490663]we personally don't do a lot yet a lot of things happen. so "we personally didn't do it" isn't a good excuse[/QUOTE] Still it's implying we should take even partial blame for what our ancestors did.

[QUOTE=Mister Sandman;34490676]Still it's implying we should take even partial blame for what our ancestors did.[/QUOTE] it's not blame, it's responsibility. part of that responsibility is making sure we or anyone else doesn't do it again.

They hired this man to convince the natives to move. [img]http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_WhMHkKCJw5E/SwifO485DTI/AAAAAAAAAGA/7yLqxIrz_zo/s1600/avatar_quaritch.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;34489289]Just that 40,000 people is very small considering that there are over 192,000,000 people in Brazil.[/QUOTE] The forced relocation of ANY people is a disgrace. These people will have to rebuild communities, start new agriculture/fisheries and compete with existing communities for work. 40,000 is small compared to the amount of people in Brazil, but how many stand to benefit from this one hydroelectric dam?

[QUOTE=thisispain;34490681]it's not blame, it's responsibility. part of that responsibility is making sure we or anyone else doesn't do it again.[/QUOTE] Agreed, which is exactly why it's completely fair for us to speak against it.

I see no advantage to flooding a shitload of land Why are they even doing this?

Lots of the killing of the Indians was done when we were still a British colony, so technically it's Britain's fault. Way to go, you limey bastards.

[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;34491284]I see no advantage to flooding a shitload of land Why are they even doing this?[/QUOTE] To meet energy needs in a rapidly developing country with a population of hundreds of millions.

Why the fuck is no one protesting over this in Brazil?

[quote]The Belo Monte dam will be the world's third-largest hydroelectric dam (after China's Three Gorges dam, itself with numerous problems, and the Brazilian-Paraguayan Itaipu dam). It will flood 400,000 hectares of the world's largest rainforest, displacing 20,000 to 40,000 people – including the Kayapó[/quote] Like the huge deforestation projects going on in Brazil weren't worse enough, now the government decides to do this? GG Brazil, nice way of destroying the nature in your country.

[QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;34491284]I see no advantage to flooding a shitload of land Why are they even doing this?[/QUOTE] To generate electricity and to prevend flooding on the downstream and to keep waterflow stable. Dams have many benefits.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;34489008]It's worth continuing to mention because as white people we continue to benefit from it[/QUOTE] People living in modern day North America can't [I]not[/I] benefit from it, doesn't matter what color your skin is, if you were born here then that's that, you can't and shouldn't be blamed for it. What would you expect people to do? "Oh I'm living here because hundreds of natives were displaced and murdered 150 years ago, I should really go back to Europe/Asia/Africa/Mexico/The Moon so they can have their land back." People have to learn to let go of the past, but that doesn't mean you forget what happened then. I'm not saying it wasn't a terrible thing to do, I'm saying that the current generation can't be blamed for it and has every right to point fingers at Brazil for doing what they are doing to people today.

[QUOTE=abcpea2;34487075]this is why i hate hispanics[/QUOTE] Brazilian People are not Hispanic. Have a good reading: [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brazil#Portuguese_colonization[/url] [editline]1st February 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Smartass;34491284]I see no advantage to flooding a shitload of land Why are they even doing this?[/QUOTE] Every time you build a dam it implies flooding some land. Sometimes it's inhabited land, other times we have cases like this. Be that as it may, the construction of a dam is always harmful for the ecosystem present in its surroundings.

[QUOTE=Mlisen14;34490724]The forced relocation of ANY people is a disgrace. These people will have to rebuild communities, start new agriculture/fisheries and compete with existing communities for work. 40,000 is small compared to the amount of people in Brazil, but how many stand to benefit from this one hydroelectric dam?[/QUOTE] How many will do better from the dam than those who will lose from it? If it will help a lot of people out of poverty then it has merit in the idea.

hydroelectric power: it's the way of the future [editline]1st February 2012[/editline] guh this is so bad, dunno even where to begin