Best Korea: Children begging on streets, army starving
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The "Best Korea" joke got old a couple months ago for me, because now we're all seeing how bad North Korea actually is. It's wrong.
South Korea should take advantage of this and spread propaganda.
If Korea is to ever be unified, it can only be under the South's rule.
Someone needs to do something bout this.
And any idea of invading would be simple because ther army will be too weak. Although nuclear retailiation is the problem.
I can't figure why the UN hasn't given sanctions to wipe out the regime. These conditions are essentialy crimes against humanity.
Now is best time to defeat North Korea for best effect to also use there army against them.
LIES FILTHY CAPITALIST LIES.
The fat American pigs lie of this, they photoshopped it all to make great leader Kim Jong Il look bad.
[QUOTE=ksenior;30738454]Wipe out the regime[/QUOTE]
America (most other countries as well really) is in no financial position to start more conflicts and play World Police.
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[QUOTE=Raiskauskone V2;30738733]We should lift the trade-embargo, the only ones that are suffering are the people, not the regime of North Korea.
The only way to force them to do anything is the combined pressure of China, and rest of the world.[/QUOTE]
You may not SEE the regime suffering but they are.
I'm not up to snuff on what the embargo entails for North Korea, but prior WW2 when America embargoed Japan it FUCKED their military and industrial capacity up.
Losing like 80% of your steel and 60% of your oil hurts.
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[QUOTE=A Dumb Critic;30741143]I can't figure why the UN hasn't given sanctions to wipe out the regime. These conditions are essentialy crimes against humanity.[/QUOTE]
Lol cause UN sanctions mean shit that's why.
NK is a shit hole, and I wish I could tell someone that thinks they're great that.
[QUOTE=J!NX;30741620]NK is a shit hole, and I wish I could tell someone that thinks they're great that.[/QUOTE]
Our own and glorious KimJongIl right here on Facepunch?
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;30739233]Do you really think the people would be so quick to accept western help? Most of them have been taught from birth that their country is the greatest and anyone who says other wise is a traitor.[/QUOTE]
People who are starving tend not to care too much about ideology, it would be more a case of the government trying to save face a la the Chinese gov during the Great Leap Forward famines
We're always joking about North Korea, but it's always nice to have a reminder like this now and then that - yeah, it's a terrible country and the leaders are complete idiots.
I once saw a video where a journalist who was in the country legally and being monitored the whole time begged the government agents giving her a tour to let her see a farm. When they finally got on the farm, there was no machinery; everything was being done by hand. Almost as if on cue, a combine harvester started driving towards them, but the government agents ran ahead and told it to turn around.
A single frame of the video captured the insignia of the European Union on the side of the vehicle. It had been donated by the EU. They don't even have the ability to harvest food without humanitarian aid; I can't say I'm suprised that they've been in another famine for so long (or perhaps the famine in the '90s never really "ended"... hmm)
[url]http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=4f1e0899533f7680e78d03281fe18baf&wit_id=4f1e0899533f7680e78d03281fe18baf-2-1[/url]
It's hard to believe stuff like this happens just a few miles north of where I live.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;30738464]The problem isn't really the governments fault either, due to the trade embargo's on the country the people just can't get enough food.[/QUOTE]
That is absolutely 100% the governments fault,
Do you really think that if North Korea were to suddenly reform and stop being an insane dictatorship lobbing vague threats all over the place, and become a democratic country that respected human rights, that everyone would just arbitrarily keep the embargo up.
Obviously not, the embargo is there precisely because of the actions of the government and its their insanity and lust for dictatorial power that keeps it there.
Pretty much everything gained from the trading would go to government officials and soldiers.
I fail to understand why anyone in the Army still follows orders when it's blatantly obvious that everyone is starving in the North while the South flourishes.
I mean, how could you not tell that your own country is an absolute shithole when just a few miles south the lights are amazing at night? That you can hear music, traffic, laughter, you name it!
IMO once all US forces are out of Afghanistan they should enlarge the US Forces Korea and ask allied countries to join them.
[QUOTE=A Dumb Critic;30741143]I can't figure why the UN hasn't given sanctions to wipe out the regime. These conditions are essentialy crimes against humanity.[/QUOTE]
North Korea's Juche ideology means sanctions don't work. Juche holds that NK should be entirely independent and self-sufficient, so you can slap them with trade, arms and travel embargoes all you want and they don't care. They also co-operate militarily with Iran, who are happy to violate any UN sanctions and help them with weapons development.
[QUOTE=geoface;30741119]Someone needs to do something bout this.
And any idea of invading would be simple because ther army will be too weak. Although nuclear retailiation is the problem.[/QUOTE]
The problem with war is that Seoul, a megacity of over 10 million people, is only 20 miles south of the border and therefore within range of rocket and artillery bombardment by the North. If the war takes a turn for the worst it could also end up getting captured.
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;30742080]I once saw a video where a journalist who was in the country legally and being monitored the whole time begged the government agents giving her a tour to let her see a farm. When they finally got on the farm, there was no machinery; everything was being done by hand. Almost as if on cue, a combine harvester started driving towards them, but the government agents ran ahead and told it to turn around.
A single frame of the video captured the insignia of the European Union on the side of the vehicle. It had been donated by the EU. They don't even have the ability to harvest food without humanitarian aid; I can't say I'm suprised that they've been in another famine for so long (or perhaps the famine in the '90s never really "ended"... hmm)[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE=carcarcargo;30738464]The problem isn't really the governments fault either, due to the trade embargo's on the country the people just can't get enough food.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Korean_famine#International_response[/url]
The U.S. and South Korea donate millions of tonnes of food to North Korea every year, even though North Korea holds them to be the most evil forces in the world.
Also, the famine is believed to be in part caused by the [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nampho_Dam]Nampho Dam[/url] which NK built in the 80s. They've denied this completely, of course, because they've painted the Dam as an incredible accomplishment of the North Korean people, so they can't go "oh shit tear it down"
I believe the reason why the people cannot revolt is not because of fear but they are so malnourished and weak that they don't even have the strength to even throw a pebble. Or that they are already dead on the inside.
[QUOTE=Bean Shoot;30742206][url]http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=4f1e0899533f7680e78d03281fe18baf&wit_id=4f1e0899533f7680e78d03281fe18baf-2-1[/url]
It's hard to believe stuff like this happens just a few miles north of where I live.[/QUOTE]
I never thought about that, it must be crazy to be living in a rich, developed country and know that there is a line just miles away beyond which everyone is poor and starving.
Something going to happen. I don't know what but it's gonna be soon and it's gonna be big!
[QUOTE=Kurtzund;30743057]Something going to happen. I don't know what but it's gonna be soon and it's gonna be big![/QUOTE]
The only way NK will change is if another nation intervenes or it completely collapses in on itself.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;30743152]The only way NK will change is if another nation intervenes or it completely collapses in on itself.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, one of the two. Maybe both.
China is the only one with power to push Best Korea into change, but China doesn't want to see their neighbor and economic ally get westernized like South Korea has become.
Eventually when Kim Jong Il kicks the bucket there might be a small window of opportunity to resume peace talks out proper.
[QUOTE=Im Crimson;30743490]China is the only one with power to push Best Korea into change, but China doesn't want to see their neighbor and economic ally get westernized like South Korea has become.
Eventually when Kim Jong Il kicks the bucket there might be a small window of opportunity to resume peace talks out proper.[/QUOTE]
Maybe China could just annex it and invest heavily into building up the impoverished nation.
[QUOTE=Sobotnik;30743819]Maybe China could just annex it and invest heavily into building up the impoverished nation.[/QUOTE]
It'll take decades if that ever happens. Remember the state of former East Germany after German reunification?
Where is that documentary where a guy goes on a tour of NK?
He is basically sheltered from reality, only allowed to go where they say he can. It's really surreal.
They also set out huge buffets, to make it appear that there was no food shortage.
[QUOTE=smurfy;30742366]IMO once all US forces are out of Afghanistan they should enlarge the US Forces Korea and ask allied countries to join them.[/QUOTE]
The problem of "front loading" the South with more forces is that it could provoke a North Korean military response. There was a good reason why the United States did not have all of its mechanized forces stationed in West Germany during the Cold War.
As an aside, the commander of the 2nd Infantry Division in Korea doesn't feel that his troops have maintained the conventional "edge".
[QUOTE=Bean Shoot;30742206][url]http://judiciary.senate.gov/hearings/testimony.cfm?id=4f1e0899533f7680e78d03281fe18baf&wit_id=4f1e0899533f7680e78d03281fe18baf-2-1[/url]
It's hard to believe stuff like this happens just a few miles north of where I live.[/QUOTE]
I think the border between the 2 Korea's is like the world's largest contrast between a developed democratic country and a really, really poor totalarian country.
I used to think the Best Korea jokes were funny, now I won't dignify Kim Jong Il with humour.
BAH. Filthy western propaganda about the land of our great leader :v:
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