California school bans shirts with American flag on Cinco de Mayo for "the safety of the students" - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Laputa;44080759] Mexican heritage or otherwise, they're all AMERICANS, which makes it all the more weird[/QUOTE] [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montebello_High_School_flag_flipping_incident]It's not like they're doing this without precedent.[/url] A lot of students apparently see themselves as Mexican first and American second.

If the goal is to prevent school violence, which I think is a worthy goal, then this idea makes sense. You really only have two choices here that I can see: Ban ALL celebration/acknowledgement of special 'days'. or Ban the shirts being worn as a provocation The first option means preventing students from celebrating their heritage [i]for one day[/i]. Wow, are we really so uptight we can't acknowledge events that are significant to other people even if we don't give a crap about them? The second option simply prevents assholes from being assholes on that ONE day.

Come to school wearing Spanish flag. En sus rostros, los colonos!

[QUOTE=tirpider;44080197]What about shirts with the French flag?[/QUOTE] They can't ban white shirts.

[QUOTE=Desuh;44081179]Then can't ban white shirts.[/QUOTE] Napoleon Bonaparte and the French Foreign Legion would like to have a word with you.

i once wore a black glove on my left hand in middle school because i thought it was funny i got detention and they took my glove away i never got it back

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;44080967][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montebello_High_School_flag_flipping_incident"]It's not like they're doing this without precedent.[/URL] A lot of students apparently see themselves as Mexican first and American second.[/QUOTE] This is a completely logical conclusion of multiculturalism. Encourage people to embrace their own culture over American culture and you will have people who do exactly that. Assimilation is no longer the expected norm.

I don't care what day it is or what the day celebrates, if I want to wear an American flag on my shirt I'll wear it.

Am I the only one who noticed the article is from 2011

i love how the article just passes over the violence and threats that the kids involved suffered as if it were nothing. totally bullshit reporting for a source. Live Oak High (where this is taking place) is notorious for violent gang activity between members of the student body. The school has a documented history of violence between racial groups. The administrators aren't doing shit for "knee jerk" reactions, they're trying to stop children from being fucking stabbed. The reason there was a suit in the first place is because this already happened, and when the kids went home they received texts like "i'm waiting outside your house" and talk among the students about getting relative gang members living in San Jose to "take care of" the kids but sure let's just view this from the angle that all school administrators are idiots. not like they don't want kids to assault each other or anything. no, that's impossible. [editline]28th February 2014[/editline] oh and before we go off on a tangent about how the school should immediately just punish the kids who are doing the threats - they do. there's literally court decision after court decision about this shit. there's something called the tinker test that's utilized that is intended to demonstrate if the threat is real enough, that both the aggressor and the victim are addressed. while we aim to protect freedom of speech, we aim to protect it in an environment that's designed to keep people safe. just like we don't permit speech that incites riots and racewars, schools CANNOT allow speech that will place their students in danger. the real "knee jerk" reactions are in this thread. not the school.

[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;44081454]Am I the only one who noticed the article is from 2011[/QUOTE] But I saw this on the news this morning. It can't be that old unless they're just recapping something that happened almost three years ago.

[QUOTE=Lordgeorge16;44081576]But I saw the same thing was on the news this morning. It can't be that old unless they're just recapping something that happened almost three years ago.[/QUOTE] (this is how the court system of appeals works)

[QUOTE=BrickInHead;44081495]i love how the article just passes over the violence and threats that the kids involved suffered as if it were nothing. totally bullshit reporting for a source. Live Oak High (where this is taking place) is notorious for violent gang activity between members of the student body. The school has a documented history of violence between racial groups. The administrators aren't doing shit for "knee jerk" reactions, they're trying to stop children from being fucking stabbed. The reason there was a suit in the first place is because this already happened, and when the kids went home they received texts like "i'm waiting outside your house" and talk among the students about getting relative gang members living in San Jose to "take care of" the kids but sure let's just view this from the angle that all school administrators are idiots. not like they don't want kids to assault each other or anything. no, that's impossible. [editline]28th February 2014[/editline] oh and before we go off on a tangent about how the school should immediately just punish the kids who are doing the threats - they do. there's literally court decision after court decision about this shit. there's something called the tinker test that's utilized that is intended to demonstrate if the threat is real enough, that both the aggressor and the victim are addressed. while we aim to protect freedom of speech, we aim to protect it in an environment that's designed to keep people safe. just like we don't permit speech that incites riots and racewars, schools CANNOT allow speech that will place their students in danger.[/QUOTE] victim blaming. Why give in to the violent threats? Fucking expel them. As you can tell by my avatar I'm not the biggest fan of some of the things my country does but no one should ever be barred from being proud of there country IN the country. Sorry they are offended but this is not mexico. Normally this is when a tea partier would say go back to mexico but I think were bigger than that. They need to be in for a major reality check.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;44081208]Napoleon Bonaparte and the [B]French Foreign Legion[/B] would like to have a word with you.[/QUOTE] That's why their military needs to be foreign; they couldn't get any French to join.

[QUOTE=slayer64;44082167]That's why their military needs to be foreign; they couldn't get any French to join.[/QUOTE] It's how foreigners get French citizenship. The country is so badass it only accepts the baddest of badasses into its citizenry.

[QUOTE=Psychokitten;44082402]It's how foreigners get French citizenship. The country is so badass it only accepts the baddest of badasses into its citizenry.[/QUOTE] Are you a bad enough dude to become a French citizen?

[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;44081454]Am I the only one who noticed the article is from 2011[/QUOTE] yeah and? 2011 was only like 3 weeks ago

[QUOTE=Cakebatyr;44080563]How is the flag of their (assumedly) own nation disrespectful?[/QUOTE] This is the United States. Everything offends someone, and the majority is too afraid to hurt anyone's feelings, so they go out of their way to be politically correct. To an excessive degree I on the other hand don't give a fuck. Simple things such as an American flag (in the USA) On a T shirt offending someone is one of those things that I just wouldn't think about. There's no reason to think about it. If you don't want to see clothing with the American flag on it live in another fucking country or shut the fuck up. No one cries about people wearing flags on clothing, no matter what country's flag is on the shirt, but our own damn flag? Whatever

[QUOTE=Doozle;44080230]Schools should have uniforms. Boom, not an issue[/QUOTE] coming from someone who has had to wear school uniforms all his life, i can say one thing that's a fucking stupid idea

Why would you go out of your way to wear an American Shirt on a Mexican Holiday except to cause tension? What other purpose could you have in mind aside from trolling the Mexican people? I agree fully with the judge. [quote]I'd assume it was done because there was a noticeable problem with racist idiots being edgy by saying "this is America, we ain't celebratin' no spanish national holidays round HERE"[/quote] ^I.e. This. I've seen shit like this happen in my own school where all the rednecks decide they're being funny by doing it. [quote]If you don't want to see clothing with the American flag on it live in another fucking country or shut the fuck up[/quote] It's not even that, it's the fact you're wearing it on this specific Mexican holiday for the soul purpose of making them feel alienated. Any other day they probably wouldn't care.

[QUOTE=Ramirez77;44083956]Why would you go out of your way to wear an American Shirt on a Mexican Holiday except to cause tension? What other purpose could you have in mind aside from trolling the Mexican people? I agree fully with the judge. [/QUOTE] I don't give a shit [I]what[/I] day it is, there is absolutely no excuse for beating someone just because they're expressing pride for the country you're [I]living, studying and working in.[/I]

[QUOTE=Ramirez77;44083956]Why would you go out of your way to wear an American Shirt on a Mexican Holiday except to cause tension? What other purpose could you have in mind aside from trolling the Mexican people? I agree fully with the judge. ^I.e. This. I've seen shit like this happen in my own school where all the rednecks decide they're being funny by doing it. It's not even that, it's the fact you're wearing it on this specific Mexican holiday for the soul purpose of making them feel alienated. Any other day they probably wouldn't care.[/QUOTE] It's a pretty American holiday. Not many actual Mexicans care about it. It's pretty much Mexican-Americans that care the most about it. Also, how is wearing the American flag in America alienating? In addition to this, The article is from 2011 and is reporting on an event from 2010. This is four years old.

[QUOTE=tirpider;44080318]Orange is a safe color. I support this.[/QUOTE] Until you jump 20 feet onto some blue paint you thought was going to be fucking bouncy and break your legs.

The School system reminds me of this. [img]http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51fGAjNf-6L._SY300_.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=dai;44080886]I'd assume it was done because there was a noticeable problem with racist idiots being edgy by saying "this is America, we ain't celebratin' no spanish national holidays round HERE" though from the sound of the article, latino students weren't "in danger" whereas US flagbearers were [allegedly]. Could it be some people are just taking the US flag statements as [i]being[/i] extremist anti-mexicanism?[/QUOTE] this is why. In some rural parts of California there are some white nationalist sentiments such as immigrants changing America, Spanish is being forced on people, multiculturalism is brainwashing us etc. Those type of people, who I even have one on my friend's list who has some weird and horrible crusader themed anti-muslim page liked, would dress up like that as a form of edgy protest against the "Un-Americans"

[QUOTE=The Baconator;44084955]this is why. In some rural parts of California there are some white nationalist sentiments such as immigrants changing America, Spanish is being forced on people, multiculturalism is brainwashing us etc. Those type of people, who I even have one on my friend's list who has some weird and horrible crusader themed anti-muslim page liked, would dress up like that as a form of edgy protest against the "Un-Americans"[/QUOTE] Isn't this kind of victim blaming? I mean you're really looking for a reason to pin the blame on the guys getting beat up.

My last school, which is in California, also celebrates Cinco de Mayo. During the only CdM I went to, I wore a red shirt with white shoes and blue jeans. It was so subtle that nobody got my American flag getup. I could've just worn a regular American flag shirt, but the cholos at that school scared me.

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;44085012]Isn't this kind of victim blaming? I mean you're really looking for a reason to pin the blame on the guys getting beat up.[/QUOTE] what? Maybe I worded my post really funny, pretty sure I was tired that time, but I am not sure what you are talking about. All I know is that's the school's reasoning, regardless of one's opinions on it.