good for arizona, thats 2 things law wise that i like that they did.
[QUOTE=Brage Nyman;27369437]Trust me i would love to see them get run over by a redneck pickup. But logic and freedom should go before pity morals.
And i fucking hope someone film them when they ragdoll trough the air after a pickup hit them.[/QUOTE]
Bah, you know, I may not agree, but hey, your opnion man.
As long as you don't go to my funeral and picket, saywp whatever you want.
I personally want less people being harassed by these freaks.
[QUOTE=macacan;27364058]
No restrictions shall be placed on the exercise of these rights other than such as are prescribed by law and are necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or [b]public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime[/b], [i]for the protection of health or morals or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others[/i]. This Article shall not prevent the imposition of lawful restrictions on the exercise of these rights by members of the armed forces, of the police or of the administration of the state.[/QUOTE]
Yup, this ruling is justified. Public disorder because, how long is it going to be before a group at a funeral decides they've had enough of the uninvited assholes telling them that their daughter/son/friend/family member deserved to die, and they decide to do something about it. Physically. No police officer should have to protect these immoral, twisted bastards.
And morals, rights and freedoms, well that's a given. You just DON'T interfere with others' funerals, that should be a part of every person's morals.
The saddest thing is that the WBC are now going past the bible much as extremist Muslims go past the limits of the Qu'ran. I'm not going into details but does the bible not say 'Love thy neighbour as thyself'? How many 'neighbours' have they upset with their picketing? I reckon that they're just doing this to upset people, whether they really believe these things that strongly is to be debated.
It's only a matter of time before someone on the WBC side or the side of the victims of the protests take it too far, and I hope to ... well, God I guess, that the WBC comes off worse.
The "Oh people are gonna' get violent at funerals" thing isn't really a legitimate argument, it's all pretty much speculation and assumption.
The WBC have protested funerals before, and the distance kept between them and the burial grounds, the police presence, and the fact the WBC protest was so small kept violence at bay.
[QUOTE=Billiam;27369895]The "Oh people are gonna' get violent at funerals" thing isn't really a legitimate argument, it's all pretty much speculation and assumption.
The WBC have protested funerals before, and the distance kept between them and the burial grounds, the police presence, and the fact the WBC protest was so small kept violence at bay.[/QUOTE]
Sounds reasonable, don't see funeral protests getting violent. But hey, its still a major dick move.
[QUOTE=J!NX;27369994]Sounds reasonable, don't see funeral protests getting violent. But hey, its still a major dick move.[/QUOTE]
Agreed, but I think the only way to get rid of the WBC is to ignore them.
[QUOTE=Billiam;27370054]Agreed, but I think the only way to get rid of the WBC is to ignore them.[/QUOTE]
Hey, maybe stopping them from picketing funerals will help if it sticks. Yeah, yeah, frredoms, I know, but there's no use in protesting funerals so hey, illegalize it. People can't ignore them it seems so you make it harder for them to give attention.
And the WBC might then try alternative methods... I personally wish to see them slip heavily.
why can't someone just run an suv into their picket line, please
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;27369262]no, you have issues because you want to kill people because they say mean things at funerals.[/QUOTE]
So you don't know "i'll tear them a new one" (or "i'll rip their fuckin' kidneys out") often stands in for "i wanna, but can't".
Would you not want to remove them from your own funeral if that was ever an issue to come up?
[QUOTE=Bomimo;27367077]If it was my funeral I'd get up and rip out their kidneys for disrespecting my departing ceremony and peoples last chance to say goodbye and i'd rip the fucking balls off you if you dared show up and repeat that just because you want everyone to feel good and tickly. Ballsy little fuck. Get a fuckin' perspective.[/QUOTE]
You'd be dead though, so it doesn't matter.
What makes you think you deserve respect anyway?
This is a great day for America.
[QUOTE=J!NX;27370151]Hey, maybe stopping them from picketing funerals will help if it sticks. Yeah, yeah, frredoms, I know, but there's no use in protesting funerals so hey, illegalize it. People can't ignore them it seems so you make it harder for them to give attention.
And the WBC might then try alternative methods... I personally wish to see them slip heavily.[/QUOTE]
Suing people and challenging legislation is the WBC mainstay. And so long as the first amendment is emphasized so heavily in the US, they'll always win.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;27370786]You'd be dead though, so it doesn't matter.
What makes you think you deserve respect anyway?[/QUOTE]
Everyone deserves respect. Not as in "respect your superiors" but as in "don't piss in his fuckin' coffin", "don't show up piss drunk and sing 'Auld lang syne'" or the worst, "not yell 'God hates fags' and 'got smote him, fag enabler! Praise the lord! GOD HATES YOU' at a fuckin' funeral ceremony". That kind of respect y'know.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;27370744]
Would you not want to remove them from your own funeral if that was ever an issue to come up?[/QUOTE]
No because I'm not thin skinned like you are.
And the 1st Ammendment actually means something to me unlike you.
[editline]12th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Bomimo;27370830]Everyone deserves respect. Not as in "respect your superiors" but as in "don't piss in his fuckin' coffin", "don't show up piss drunk and sing 'Auld lang syne'" or the worst, "not yell 'God hates fags' and 'got smote him, fag enabler! Praise the lord! GOD HATES YOU' at a fuckin' funeral ceremony". That kind of respect y'know.[/QUOTE]
Except WBC stays like 2 or 3 blocks away from the funeral. They aren't actually in the funeral.
I don't know why people are so crazy about funerals anyway.
Go Arizona! I hope that church still protests so that they can get their ass arrested and I don't have to hear about them for a while.
I want the westboro baptist church to protest at my funeral. I'm putting that in my will right now, and I'm gonna put away some money for it: [i]dearest relatives: for my funeral, please contact the westboro baptist church to heckle at my funeral, pay them with the set aside money if necessary. Tell em to bring the god hates fags signs.[/i]
As long as this law wouldn't prevent me from doing this if I somehow moved to arizona between then and now, then I have no problem with it.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;27370839]No because I'm not thin skinned like you are.
And the 1st Ammendment actually means something to me unlike you.[/QUOTE]
It means shit-fuck for me. I'm from Scandinavia and over here we've got this shit we call appropriate conduct. That's what we do at funerals. We behave within the respectful norm when we say our goodbyes to people. You can take your pride in some amendment and stick it somewhere holy when you get buried with it and people can't respect YOUR family and friends at your funeral. (unless you think what they do is cool)
Sorry but proper conduct and well-mannered demeanor before loudmouths and some amendment that says "'s aight dood" The biggest issue here is that they're basically trolling. They don't want anything but spread hate and pissyness. They could just spread trash instead.
Also. That "First amendment" and "free speech" thingy is not a thing you just do. You've gotta execute it right for it to work in your favor. I know that you're sixteen right now and throwing in that argument everywhere it applies sorta-ish is cool in the same vein as smoking 3 in a row and snorting a lane and let's not forget a knife to the throat of that little fucker so he'll learn to stay the fuck low when i exercise my rights to piss everywhere. But it's just not how it rolls. It's called decency. It's an old concept. You'll behave properly or people will start telling you what a little fuck you are. That's just how things goes. Eventually they'll get pissy and file complaints. When the general consensus is that your conduct disturbs peace and the general flow of everyday doings they'll have a legislation ready telling you to be a little fuck somewhere well away from their funerals. It's just how it is. How it's always been. Rules are made because of demand. It was widely demanded to find a way to shut these fuckers down or impede them and it's been done. Laws aren't set in stone, they're a flowing entity. If we all wanted to piss in the park, it'd become legal over time.
[editline]12th January 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Pockets;27370885]I want the westboro baptist church to protest at my funeral. I'm putting that in my will right now, and I'm gonna put away some money for it: [I]dearest relatives: for my funeral, please contact the westboro baptist church to heckle at my funeral, pay them with the set aside money if necessary. Tell em to bring the god hates fags signs.[/I]
As long as this law wouldn't prevent me from doing this if I somehow moved to arizona between then and now, then I have no problem with it.[/QUOTE]
Now that would be awesome.
This thread wreaks of stupidity and boxes.
i'm tired of reading all this "hurr 1st amendment violation herp overturn law derp"
proof that most of facepunch doesn't read the article:
[quote][b]Numerous states have passed laws restricting protests at funerals[/b] after members of the Westboro church began protesting at the funerals of soldiers killed in Iraq and Afghanistan.[/quote]
[quote]The four-paragraph Arizona bill makes it a misdemeanor punishable by up to six months in jail to picket or conduct other protest activities within [b]300 feet of a funeral or burial service — about the length of a football field[/b]. The prohibition applies from one hour before the event to one hour after.[/quote]
[editline]12th January 2011[/editline]
also the title is a little misleading, it's not a complete ban
I still don't see how this blocks first amendment rights if you're forced a certain distance away not forced to shut up.
[QUOTE=Lachz0r;27366928]who cares? god some of you people need to grow some thicker skin. just shows how powerful people make the wbc that they're changing laws specifically to combat them.[/QUOTE]
That's pretty easy to say when it's not your funeral they're picketing
these people need to be forced through a fine mesh screen and then fed to dingos; not because they hate everything or think god hates this or that but because they are total scumbags that prey on people's ideals and beliefs to make money by suing anyone and everyone they can.
(th89's link)
[url]http://kanewj.com/wbc/[/url]
[QUOTE=TH89;27374927]That's pretty easy to say when it's not your funeral they're picketing[/QUOTE]
Even if it was my funeral, I'd let them.
You know, since it's their right.
[QUOTE=Paramud;27377197]Even if it was my funeral, I'd let them.
You know, since it's their right.[/QUOTE]
no you wouldn't let them because you gave them consent, you let them because they have the legal right to.
[QUOTE=PvtCupcakes;27364100]Stupid law.[/QUOTE]
This is entirely directed at the Westboro Baptist Church. Pickets saying "God sent the shooter" "God Hates Fags" etc are disrespectful for the dead.
This isn't illegal technically. They said they couldn't protest AT funerals, not to protest in general. Least my view on it.
All I have to say is Good. Freedom of speech and all that, but what they're doing is harassment and if you say otherwise you're not seeing it from the family's point of view.
okay guys serious talk for a second
i think jdk is a member of wbc you guys
i mean why else would he flock to these threads every damn time and defend them\
seriously you need to consider this
Good law, Now they just have to ban WBC. Most of Europe has banned the WBC, it is time for the US to do it too!
Even the most idiotic of republicans would agree with this exception to the constitution to the United States [b]OF AMERICA[/b]
(Repubs are great at misinterpreting their own constitution. FFS I am In Russia and understand it better then those dicks, and a health care run by the state is in no way unconstitutional.)
Gotta love seeing these types of people here, making sure these scumbags have unrestricted ability to harass the murdered victims' family members. I'd love to see what these dumbasses would think about someone protesting at their own family members funeral.
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