2045: The Year Man Becomes Immortal - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28141343] Do you live in some sort of bunker that deflects the fucking point of my posts? [/QUOTE] Not to be smug or anything, but I think I can't get my point across mainly because I seem to be conveying irrationality. But what I was trying to say is that how does that thing feel texture? That's one stimulation I think we'll be missing for a while.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28141380]I know it's fluid and I know it's hard to define. And I don't think you would be because it doesn't change the fundamental way in which you interface with the world. Lemme put it this way, if you had a perfect replica of a hand in electronic form, it would still be a hand and you would experience things the same way. If you replaced it with a claw or tentacle, it would change how you fundamentally interface with the world.[/QUOTE] Well now you have to define what the fundemental way we interact with the world is. All you're doing is fleeing into undefined abstracts. [editline]19th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=jjsullivan;28141397]Not to be smug or anything, but I think I can't get my point across mainly because I seem to be conveying irrationality. But what I was trying to say is that how does that thing feel texture? That's one stimulation I think we'll be missing for a while.[/QUOTE] So you admit we'll get it eventually?

[QUOTE=jjsullivan;28141328]Still that only accounts for pressure, which is great for amputees but I'm not eagerly chopping off my arm just so I can have a "better" one.[/QUOTE] The technology present in that hand is only the stepping off point for much more powerful innovations. People obviously won't start actively replacing body parts unless the replacements are without a doubt superior, so none of us are particularly eager to chop our arms off for that, trust me. The hope is that eventually people be able to create something that is altogether superior to what we currently have in almost every way.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28141380]I know it's fluid and I know it's hard to define. And I don't think you would be because it doesn't change the fundamental way in which you interface with the world. Lemme put it this way, if you had a perfect replica of a hand in electronic form, it would still be a hand and you would experience things the same way. If you replaced it with a claw or tentacle, it would change how you fundamentally interface with the world.[/QUOTE] You could never make a perfect replica :doh: That's what I've been trying to say this whole time. To those who've never felt and gain the ability, thats wonderous. But to those that have, it WILL feel different because its imperfect. Whatever....I guess I'll be one of the few that still wears glasses then.

[QUOTE=Swilly;28141392]And you complain about us not fully understanding what you type.:v: But I'm not going to explain to you, instead think about it. If you don't want to, ignore it. If you can't because it doesn't make logical sense to you then whatever.[/QUOTE] The difference is that when somebody misunderstands what I type I fucking explain it.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28141401]Well now you have to define what the fundemental way we interact with the world is. All you're doing is fleeing into undefined abstracts. [editline]19th February 2011[/editline] So you admit we'll get it eventually?[/QUOTE] There is no way around it.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28141401] So you admit we'll get it eventually?[/QUOTE] It was not really a complete statement, I was really meaning that we may not have it for a while, or not at all.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28141426]The difference is that when somebody misunderstands what I type I fucking explain it.[/QUOTE] Where as I don't because I actually make it worse when I try.

[QUOTE=Swilly;28141436]Where as I don't because I actually make it worse when I try.[/QUOTE] Same. Sorta.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28141401]Well now you have to define what the fundemental way we interact with the world is. All you're doing is fleeing into undefined abstracts. [editline]19th February 2011[/editline] So you admit we'll get it eventually?[/QUOTE] Ehh fuck it, i'm tired of defining things. No matter how clearly I put it, we would still hold different views on it, and an argument about it wouldn't come to anything. I'll go think about my position more, it's half that I never really have to consider what I think about such topics. [QUOTE=Swilly;28141425]You could never make a perfect replica :doh: That's what I've been trying to say this whole time. To those who've never felt and gain the ability, thats wonderous. But to those that have, it WILL feel different because its imperfect. Whatever....I guess I'll be one of the few that still wears glasses then.[/QUOTE] It was a hypothetical. I know there are a whole nother load of bags that come with the concept of transhumanism

[QUOTE=Swilly;28141425]You could never make a perfect replica :doh: That's what I've been trying to say this whole time. To those who've never felt and gain the ability, thats wonderous. But to those that have, it WILL feel different because its imperfect. Whatever....I guess I'll be one of the few that still wears glasses then.[/QUOTE] . . .Why could we never make a perfect replica? You just make an assload of assumptions and then when I ask you what the fuck you're actually saying you say I just don't understand. [editline]19th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;28141436]Where as I don't because I actually make it worse when I try.[/QUOTE] Maybe that's because you don't actually know what the fuck you're trying to say because everything you're saying is hot air. [editline]19th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=jjsullivan;28141443]Same. Sorta.[/QUOTE] And you too. [editline]19th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=jjsullivan;28141433]It was not really a complete statement, I was really meaning that we may not have it for a while, or not at all.[/QUOTE] Yeah well have fun with being confused and afraid until you inevitably die and rot in the ground.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28141448]Ehh fuck it, i'm tired of defining things. No matter how clearly I put it, we would still hold different views on it, and an argument about it wouldn't come to anything. I'll go think about my position more, it's half that I never really have to consider what I think about such topics. [/QUOTE] I go with this as well, It was interesting while it lasted. [editline]18th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28141450] Yeah well have fun with being confused and afraid until you inevitably die and rot in the ground.[/QUOTE] And as the last rational thing I can make of this since we're talking about my view of mortality, I don't mind. Not at all.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28141450]. . .Why could we never make a perfect replica? You just make an assload of assumptions and then when I ask you what the fuck you're actually saying you say I just don't understand.[/QUOTE] Have we ever made a perfect anything? Some may consider it perfect but is it truely? (By the way, perfection is subjective too.) And what assumptions are you speaking off? What I've stated is backed up by who we are and how we got to this very moment in which we debate this topic.

[QUOTE=Swilly;28141425]You could never make a perfect replica :doh: That's what I've been trying to say this whole time. To those who've never felt and gain the ability, thats wonderous. But to those that have, it WILL feel different because its imperfect. Whatever....I guess I'll be one of the few that still wears glasses then.[/QUOTE] There is no concrete law that says "It is impossible to create a hand that has the sensory capability of a human hand". Nature has been doing it for eons, and I'm sure we could figure it out eventually. It obviously take a substantial amount of time, perhaps longer than our lifespans (as we don't really know if this whole transhumanist wave is going to hit during our lifetime) but there's no reason that we can't do what nature is capable of, as nature has to work within the same laws of physics as we do.

[QUOTE=froztshock;28141507]There is no concrete law that says "It is impossible to create a hand that has the sensory capability of a human hand". Nature has been doing it for eons, and I'm sure we could figure it out eventually. It obviously take a substantial amount of time, perhaps longer than our lifespans (as we don't really know if this whole transhumanist wave is going to hit during our lifetime) but there's no reason that we can't do what nature is capable of, as nature has to work within the same laws of physics as we do.[/QUOTE] My problem with this whole thing is using the fucking word perfect. IF you actually did read my posts, what is the common thing I say? HUMAN MISTAKES...meaning IMPERFECT. Perfection is what I'm talking about, the subjective use of its word being used by the same people who blast the subjective use of humanity.

[QUOTE=Swilly;28141501]Have we ever made a perfect anything? Some may consider it perfect but is it truely? (By the way, perfection is subjective too.) And what assumptions are you speaking off? What I've stated is backed up by who we are and how we got to this very moment in which we debate this topic.[/QUOTE] We're not even talking about the funtional idea of perfection. We're talking about an identical replica. And yes, we make replicas of things all the fucking time. [editline]19th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;28141526]My problem with this whole thing is using the fucking word perfect. IF you actually did read my posts, what is the common thing I say? HUMAN MISTAKES...meaning IMPERFECT. Perfection is what I'm talking about, the subjective use of its word being used by the same people who blast the subjective use of humanity.[/QUOTE] you are a rambling nonsensical looney you know that

[QUOTE=Swilly;28141261]Humanity is the idea that through our imperfections and through every tiny mistake, mishap, miscalculation, we learn and better ourselves. Its a slow process that has spanned since the beginning of our civilizations and will continue to be a slow process. Even with mechanical enhancement we'll still make mistakes, mishaps and misjudgements. The machine does not aid, all it does abide and through that we lose our humanity. We may use machines through our finger tips, but we're able to pull away if we're forced to. If we are to replace pieces of our organic material with machine, we can no longer pull away. If something horrible were to happen and repair became unavailable, the machine would become just a sustainable to failure as the organ portion it replaced. At least with the organic, it can naturally heal. I can't say that much for a mechanical replacement.[/QUOTE] Yeah, lets just ignore the fact we're dealing with machines beyond our human minds, sure, you're totally right about that...

Okay now I see a bunch of "PERFECTION IS POSSIBLE LOL" in this thread.

goddamnit watson the ibm computer understands human language and nuance better than you do [editline]19th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=jjsullivan;28141541]Okay now I see a bunch of "PERFECTION IS POSSIBLE LOL" in this thread.[/QUOTE] weren't you leaving go curl up under a tree you bio hippy

[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;28133251]The human mind is horribly limited. If they can improve upon it, then its all good.[/QUOTE] This contains moral conflicts similar to as to why we don't clone humans; there are too many risks and fears we've all gained that science-fiction novels don't help prevent. Personally, I'd prefer not to tamper with the human mind; if you're stupid or smart, that's how you ended up being. I'm not saying everything happens for a reason, I'm saying that everything that happens... happens. I'd rather not try to change that.

[QUOTE=jjsullivan;28141541]Okay now I see a bunch of "PERFECTION IS POSSIBLE LOL" in this thread.[/QUOTE] Transhumanism and self improvement isn't perfection, moving forward to a point with no intention of stopping, is also very possible.

[QUOTE=Swilly;28141526]My problem with this whole thing is using the fucking word perfect. IF you actually did read my posts, what is the common thing I say? HUMAN MISTAKES...meaning IMPERFECT. Perfection is what I'm talking about, the subjective use of its word being used by the same people who blast the subjective use of humanity.[/QUOTE] Suffice to say that no matter what a person's individual definition of "perfect" may be, it's not outside of the range of possibility to create a hand that is functionally superior to the human hand in most aspects. That, at least, is the point that I'm trying to get across.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28141532]We're not even talking about the funtional idea of perfection. We're talking about an identical replica. And yes, we make replicas of things all the fucking time. [editline]19th February 2011[/editline] you are a rambling nonsensical looney you know that[/QUOTE] A bunch of people have been called that. And with that....I give up. I know I should stop trying when I get called a rambling moron. Either because I've misrepresented my point or because others are ignoring it entirely. [editline]19th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=froztshock;28141572]Suffice to say that no matter what a person's individual definition of "perfect" may be, it's not outside of the range of possibility to create a hand that is functionally superior to the human hand in most aspects. That, at least, is the point that I'm trying to get across.[/QUOTE] Then say superior, not perfect. And whatever......I don't know what to say anymore. I've got a headache and its pretty much game over for me.

[QUOTE=Handsome Pete;28141562]This contains moral conflicts similar to as to why we don't clone humans; there are too many risks and fears we've all gained that science-fiction novels don't help prevent. Personally, I'd prefer not to tamper with the human mind; if you're stupid or smart, that's how you ended up being. I'm not saying everything happens for a reason, I'm saying that everything that happens... happens. I'd rather not try to change that.[/QUOTE] Once again, STOP TAKING MEDICATION. Get a cancer? WHAT HAPPENS HAPPENS. Develop epilepsy? WHAT HAPPENS HAPPENS. Get the black plague? SUCKS TO BE YOU ASSHOLE.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28141546] weren't you leaving go curl up under a tree you bio hippy[/QUOTE] Well now it's boiled down to ad-hominem :colbert: But anyways, I'm still to interested to leave just yet. Now that you've pulled the term "bio hippy" into this. So what's next? Lets kill all animal and plant species too? Since we obviously don't need them with our glorious metal bodies.

[QUOTE=jjsullivan;28141616]Well now it's boiled down to ad-hominem :colbert: But anyways, I'm still to interested to leave just yet. Now that you've pulled the term "bio hippy" into this. So what's next? Lets kill all animal and plant species too? Since we obviously don't need them with our glorious metal bodies.[/QUOTE] god i am so fucking glad you don't want to live forever it's going to be like the facepunch idiot cull on a worldwide level no, i do not want to destroy all life. i am not a fucking necron. i was making fun of you because you would rather die than live because of a silly superstition but i guess i have to explain that to

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28141602]Once again, STOP TAKING MEDICATION. Get a cancer? WHAT HAPPENS HAPPENS. Develop epilepsy? WHAT HAPPENS HAPPENS. Get the black plague? SUCKS TO BE YOU ASSHOLE.[/QUOTE] Wait wait wait....you're talking about mechanical enhancements and you blast medication? You're a two faced tool....

[QUOTE=Handsome Pete;28141562]This contains moral conflicts similar to as to why we don't clone humans; there are too many risks and fears we've all gained that science-fiction novels don't help prevent. Personally, I'd prefer not to tamper with the human mind; if you're stupid or smart, that's how you ended up being. I'm not saying everything happens for a reason, I'm saying that everything that happens... happens. I'd rather not try to change that.[/QUOTE] Humanity's stubbornness against its flaws is one of the more promising features of people.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28141642]god i am so fucking glad you don't want to live forever it's going to be like the facepunch idiot cull on a worldwide level[/QUOTE] I wish you didn't either, because you're spreading just as much irrelevant dribble at this point.

[QUOTE=jjsullivan;28141616]Well now it's boiled down to ad-hominem :colbert: But anyways, I'm still to interested to leave just yet. Now that you've pulled the term "bio hippy" into this. So what's next? Lets kill all animal and plant species too? Since we obviously don't need them with our glorious metal bodies.[/QUOTE] You assume you know better than more intelligent minds than you can comprehend. [editline]18th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;28141648]Wait wait wait....you're talking about mechanical enhancements and you blast medication? You're a two faced tool....[/QUOTE] Holy shit you're missing the point... He means if you're against this then you should stop taking medication because, as you just fucking pointed out, it's the same deal.