[QUOTE=Mingebox;28157148]I wouldn't mind having my brain put in a robot when I'm getting really old and decrepit, so long as I can still emotion., but for now I'm perfectly fine as an ugly bag of mostly water.
Remember before you were born? That's what death is.[/QUOTE]
You don't think you'd miss the feel of your fleshy skin? The sensation of a cool breeze rolling in from over the sea after a hot day? I know I would.
[QUOTE=sltungle;28158517]You don't think you'd miss the feel of your fleshy skin? The sensation of a cool breeze rolling in from over the sea after a hot day? I know I would.[/QUOTE]
you know what i wouldn't miss
being alive
because i would be dead
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28158696]you know what i wouldn't miss
being alive
because i would be dead[/QUOTE]
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Why you don't want to be a cyborg [Until they perfect sensory input].
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Why you don't want to be a cyborg [Until they perfect sensory input].[/QUOTE]
or you could just get upgrades as time goes on
that's the beauty of hardware
I think it's going to be a long time before they can replicate emotion. Living without emotion isn't living at all.
[QUOTE=Mingebox;28159076]I think it's going to be a long time before they can replicate emotion. Living without emotion isn't living at all.[/QUOTE]
you know emotions aren't that complex
all they really are is a series of chemicals designed to be produced under certain circumstances
[QUOTE=sltungle;28158517]You don't think you'd miss the feel of your fleshy skin? The sensation of a cool breeze rolling in from over the sea after a hot day? I know I would.[/QUOTE]
Its not impossible to create senses. And even if it wast it would be better then being dead. when your dead you cant feel anything and you wouldn't want to (worms are very slim)
[editline]19th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mingebox;28159076]I think it's going to be a long time before they can replicate emotion. Living without emotion isn't living at all.[/QUOTE]
And if they kept the brain then they wouldn't need to recreate them. Even though it probably wouldn't be that hard.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28161350]Its not impossible to create senses. And even if it wast it would be better then being dead. when your dead you cant feel anything and you wouldn't want to (worms are very slim)
[editline]19th February 2011[/editline]
And if they kept the brain then they wouldn't need to recreate them. Even though it probably wouldn't be that hard.[/QUOTE]
But there are alternatives other than becoming a robot. I mean theoretically you could just keep cloning yourself new body parts, even entire limbs when the old parts got worn down and destroyed.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28161350]
And if they kept the brain then they wouldn't need to recreate them. Even though it probably wouldn't be that hard.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but where's you're brain supposed to send those chemicals too?
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28155809]well of course we can't fucking well measure consciousness
you haven't fucking defined it
unless we're going by the bare bones medical definition in which case that just comes down to being able to respond to outside stimulous.
The problem here is that you're going by some sort of weird mystical definition of consciousness in which it's some mysterious zen state instead of the far more likely reality in which it's just a byproduct of multiple brain functions interacting.
No, we haven't perfectly modeled and analyzed the brain yet. I thought that was the fucking point of the technological singularity, that that's when we actually [I]do[/I] achieve that.
And how about [I]you[/I] actually learn what the fuck you're talking about before [I]you[/I] make the claims.[/QUOTE]
You have literally no idea what [I]you're[/I] talking about, I'm afraid, and your consistent arrogance and hostile posting on the subject really doesn't gain you much credibility.
What he's talking about is what's widely known as the "hard problem" of consciousness.
Yes, we [I]are[/I] in the dark to what consciousness actually is. There have been attempts to reduce qualia and other subjective aspects to material processes within the brain, but as of this moment of time no one has ever gotten [I]close[/I] to explaining how it actually works.
To pretend that you know for sure how consciousness works is simply arrogant and dogmatic.
Imagine, you're driving a car you haven't driven before and then, out of fucking nowhere...
[img]http://www.pcstats.com/articleimages/200409/BSOD_2.gif[/img]
:saddowns:
I don't really understand why you would like to be a robot?
Transhumanism is way too dangerous and risky.
[QUOTE=SlayerFin;28164195]I don't really understand why you would like to be a robot?
Transhumanism is way too dangerous and risky.[/QUOTE]
Relax, buddy, there's nothing to be afraid of. Just drop your shields, prepare to be assimilated, have your biological and technological distinctiveness added to our own, and everything will be fine!
[QUOTE=SlayerFin;28164195]I don't really understand why you would like to be a robot?
Transhumanism is way too dangerous and risky.[/QUOTE]
Because it's a much less dangerous and risky alternative to being dead
[editline]20th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28159356]you know emotions aren't that complex
all they really are is a series of chemicals designed to be produced under certain circumstances[/QUOTE]
They still have to translated by our brain.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28150138]Do you people not listen? These matters are not of philosophical disccusions now. Philosophers are there to talk about ideas that are external, once you can scientifically prove that consicouness is basically just electric interactions in our brain, then you've erased all mysticism from it, and we're boiled down to being organic machines. It doesn't devalue anything.[/QUOTE]
I agree that we're organic machines. But you can't just make a leap by inferring what consciousness is just through that. I actually think your description of consciousness is most likely, but that doesn't give you precedence to say what it [i]is[/i].
Saying this isn't a philosophical discussion is simply wrong: the mind-body problem still continues to be one of the most controversial philosophical discussions of today. We're hardly any closer to understanding phenomenal states whatsoever. Neuroscience is really in its infancy and I think it's hard to say whether human beings will ever be able to understand phenomenal states in terms of physical interactions [i]even if they are just physical interactions[/i] (which I personally think they are).
Read this if you're interested in the philosophical aspects in this: [url]http://organizations.utep.edu/Portals/1475/nagel_bat.pdf[/url]
[editline]20th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28154771]that's the fucking silliest and most ignorant request i've ever heard
You do realize that neurology is an entire field of science, right? And you expect there to be some point in the future where anyone would be able to present you with a "conclusive scientific study" explaining [I]every single thing that is explored in that field?[/I]
Maybe if you want an explanation of how the brain functions you should do what real doctors do and take a fucking college course instead of making statements on the internet about how the human brain is a mystery wrapped within an enigma.[/QUOTE]
We currently know [i]fuck all[/i] about the brain. Neuroscientists will be the first to admit this.
I wonder if the idea of having a mortal body will ever feel archaic to people, like something we ignore or consider barbaric today.
I'd never want become a cyborg/immortal/a machine. Although, we're just organic machines with a controller that has the ability to memorise, choose and think.
[QUOTE=RAG Frag;28154976]is it right for people to be immortal?[/QUOTE]
Questions like that are the reason why technology like this will never be developed.
I think we should have a few other things before man becomes immortal, such as true Virtual Reality.
I find it too unnatural to even accept it.
[QUOTE=dass;28156358]So, its better to feel pain, then not feeling anything?
:psyduck: What?[/QUOTE]
Yup, reminds you you're alive and that you care about people, and that likely enough people care about you.
This thread has made me appreciate my squishy, soft organic body so much more than I did the other day. I love my body now.
Also turning us into immortal machines IS not an acceptable trade off for the loss of breasts if you ask me. I like squishy, organic sex and I like playing with breasts. Fuck you, you're not taking that from me!
[QUOTE=SlayerFin;28164195]I don't really understand why you would like to be a robot?
Transhumanism is way too dangerous and risky.[/QUOTE]
Coward, no one says you have to lose your fleshy flabby body, I for one intend to keep it, just add electronics here some micro chips and displays and interfaces there.
It'll be fine, just quit being a pussy this shit is legit.
[QUOTE=sltungle;28167444]This thread has made me appreciate my squishy, soft organic body so much more than I did the other day. I love my body now.
Also turning us into immortal machines IS not an acceptable trade off for the loss of breasts if you ask me. I like squishy, organic sex and I like playing with breasts. Fuck you, you're not taking that from me![/QUOTE]
Yeah have fun with breasts when you're dead, I'm sure you'll have loads of fun with them then.
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;28168225]Yeah have fun with breasts when you're dead, I'm sure you'll have loads of fun with them then.[/QUOTE]
You do realise you can stay organic and live forever right? all it takes is maintenance, just like it would if you took a body made of carbon fibre and metal.
[QUOTE=bravehat;28168299]You do realise you can stay organic and live forever right? all it takes is maintenance, just like it would if you took a body made of carbon fibre and metal.[/QUOTE]
I don't want to be pure metal, but I want a replacement for most parts of my body, just not necessarily metal parts.
Carbon fibre, or carbon nanotubes mixed with epoxy resin are pretty damn strong, that should do the job.
Honestly I enjoy being made of meat, only shit I'm after is immortality, ability to handle harsher environments, have computers and shit implanted under my skin and the perks that come along with that and I'm happy.
[QUOTE=bravehat;28168497]Carbon fibre, or carbon nanotubes mixed with epoxy resin are pretty damn strong, that should do the job.
Honestly I enjoy being made of meat, only shit I'm after is immortality, ability to handle harsher environments, have computers and shit implanted under my skin and the perks that come along with that and I'm happy.[/QUOTE]
You would probably need to replace a very large chunk of your body to achieve immortality.
Not really, adapt the body to be slightly larger so it has a higher volume in the torso cavity, add in a few organs that generate stem cells and direct them to the places they are required to repair organs and handle intracellular junk, find a mechanism to stop or at least control telomere shortening, add metals and shit to areas that break down rapidly through wear and tear, adapt muscles with fibre weave to keep them strong.
I'll add other shit as I go.
[QUOTE=bravehat;28169545]Not really, adapt the body to be slightly larger so it has a higher volume in the torso cavity, add in a few organs that generate stem cells and direct them to the places they are required to repair organs and handle intracellular junk, find a mechanism to stop or at least control telomere shortening, add metals and shit to areas that break down rapidly through wear and tear, adapt muscles with fibre weave to keep them strong.
I'll add other shit as I go.[/QUOTE]
Sounds interesting, however mechanics I feel would be much more efficient, especially if you eliminate the need to eat, drink and breath.
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