[QUOTE=Eudoxia;28135486] [URL="http://www.facepunch.com/"]View YouTUBE video[/URL]
[URL]http://youtube.com/watch?v=Weu7Rh6dYrM[/URL]
The human body is an amazing machine if you're a well-fed, sheltered first-world boy who was born with no birth defects in a sterilized hospital.
Particularly 03:04. Damn media tags don't hold the time.[/QUOTE]
Oh that reminds me.
I want to be a cyborg in order to see magnetic fields and shit.
I'd rather not have immortality.
[QUOTE=johan_sm;28135753]Hell yes I would. You're not the only one who gets longer life, everyone you love too, so why not?
Though our robotics are rather shitty yet, I don't think we will achieve much by 45, but who knows.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1060040-DARPA-prosthetic-arm[/url]
And we've still got 34 years ahead of us.
The interesting thing is immortality is not that far fetched, the reason we die is due to oxidation (of oxygen, yes) and the telomeres of DNA eventually degrading your DNA; and this wouldn't requrie any machinery (in theory, anyway).
[QUOTE=blazingfly;28135227]Only 1000? :smith:[/QUOTE]
at least as a Min I mean I would love to live for 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 years
Statement:
I for one have already become merged with the infinite, and thus have the ability to comprehend more than you meatbags. May I suggest you do the same.
[QUOTE=redBadger;28135937]I'd rather not have immortality.[/QUOTE]
Think about space travel, unless you're immortal/live until 2100, you're probably never going to see anything.
I swear to god if I don't walk the moon before I die.
[QUOTE=redBadger;28135937]I'd rather not have immortality.[/QUOTE]
You wouldn't be immortal, with infinite time comes the more than likely possibility that you will die from external, physical causes.
[QUOTE=Miskav;28134374]Can you give any reason why you think it wont happen? Because that's such a vague statement that it could very well stem from ignorance.[/QUOTE]
It's not that I don't think it will ever happen-- in fact, I know that it will eventually happen-- but Kurtzweil and his ilk sometimes feel to me like they're exaggerating stuff for free publicity. I've read his articles, and I know the theories behind it-- but I'm still not convinced.
50 years ago, we believed we would have flying cars, interplanetary spaceships, AI, etc. but pretty much nobody predicted the speed, size, and power computers would eventually reach; predicting the future is like an amateur trying to hit the bullseye on a dartboard. It's possible, but more often than not you'll find the predictions are incorrect.
This isn't technological pessimism; I know that technology is going to keep on advancing. But who's to say it's advancing at an "exponential" rate? What does that even mean outside of counting transistors? Technology is qualitative, not quantitative, so it really becomes difficult to map out how "fast" it progresses, much less what that progression actually is. Perhaps we're not looking in the right direction at all.
[QUOTE=booster;28136339]Think about space travel, unless you're immortal/live until 2100, you're probably never going to see anything.
I swear to god if I don't walk the moon before I die.[/QUOTE]
I'd rather temporary immortality for space travel. Living forever doesn't seem like a good way to live. Everyone has to die eventually.
[QUOTE=redBadger;28136387]I'd rather temporary immortality for space travel. Living forever doesn't seem like a good way to live. Everyone has to die eventually.[/QUOTE]
Immortality still means you could jump from a high building and die.
[QUOTE=ewitwins;28135519]Do you know how incredible it would be to not have to worry about the limitations of the human body? To not have to worry about disease, parasites, sunburns, blisters, cuts, bruises, broken limbs?
PAIN?
To never have to take another drop of medicine, or another whale-sized pill? To be able to simply walk across the sea floor with only a tank of oxygen for your BRAIN?
To be able to live for as long as you like, and when you eventually live the fulfilling life you wanted, and have done everything you could have ever dreamed of doing, to simply unplug yourself?
Perfection.[/QUOTE]
You might not even need an oxygen tank for your brain, you could just extract oxygen from the ocean itself. Trans-humanism all the way!
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[QUOTE=redBadger;28136387]I'd rather temporary immortality for space travel. Living forever doesn't seem like a good way to live. Everyone has to die eventually.[/QUOTE]
I really don't see why you people think that death is this ultimate relief from the troubles of life, it's probably worse than anything you could possibly go through.
[QUOTE=No Party Hats;28136204]Statement:
I for one have already become merged with the infinite, and thus have the ability to comprehend more than you meatbags. May I suggest you do the same.[/QUOTE]
^
Never play KOTOR
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;28136499]You might not even need an oxygen tank for your brain, you could just extract oxygen from the ocean itself. Trans-humanism all the way!
[editline]18th February 2011[/editline]
I really don't see why you people think that death is this ultimate relief from the troubles of life, it's probably worse than anything you could possibly go through.[/QUOTE]
It's not death in a suicidal way. I just believe that if you live for 80+ years, your life should eventually end.
Also, you should't even predict what death is like. Nobody can ever explain what it is like to die or to be dead.
[QUOTE=redBadger;28136668]It's not death in a suicidal way. I just believe that if you live for 80+ years, your life should eventually end.
Also, you should't even predict what death is like. Nobody can ever explain what it is like to die or to be dead.[/QUOTE]
Well since we're alive rather than dead I assume being alive must be alot better.
[QUOTE=redBadger;28136668]It's not death in a suicidal way. I just believe that if you live for 80+ years, your life should eventually end.
Also, you should't even predict what death is like. Nobody can ever explain what it is like to die or to be dead.[/QUOTE]
Fucking Centenarians. Assholes don't know when to die.
I really hope no one denies this. It's not proven, but when you think of it, technological progression is scary shit.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28136747]I really hope no one denies this. It's not proven, but when you think of it, technological progression is scary shit.[/QUOTE]
What do you find scary about it?
People saying that machines will have something we don't just think we have a sort of magic about us. It's naivite. While philosophers have argued that for years, it's no longer in their court. It's a matter of neuroscience, something you don't know about. Something that is basically telling us that our "souls" are nothing but our own elaborations, because all consciousness can be explained therein. Our brains are our computers, nothing else. If we can create something better, why do you think you're so special?
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[QUOTE=carcarcargo;28136765]What do you find scary about it?[/QUOTE]
Nothing except the growth and speed of it. I only mean it in the sense that the speed at which things ascend is.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28136785]People saying that machines will have something we don't just think we have a sort of magic about us. It's naivite. While philosophers have argued that for years, it's no longer in their court. It's a matter of neuroscience, something you don't know about. Something that is basically telling us that our "souls" are nothing but our own elaborations, because all consciousness can be explained therein. Our brains are our computers, nothing else. If we can create something better, why do you think you're so special?
[editline]18th February 2011[/editline]
Nothing except the growth and speed of it. I only mean it in the sense that the speed at which things ascend is.[/QUOTE]
The idea of this is to make us better, I can only see this benefiting us and making us better as people.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28136747]I really hope no one denies this. It's not proven, but when you think of it, technological progression is scary shit.[/QUOTE]
I think it's amazing!
If someone asked me if I wanted to be immortal, I'd say yes in a heartbeat.
Life is too short anyway.
[QUOTE=redBadger;28136668]It's not death in a suicidal way. I just believe that if you live for 80+ years, your life should eventually end.
Also, you should't even predict what death is like. Nobody can ever explain what it is like to die or to be dead.[/QUOTE]
Assuming neuroscience and other sciences have no idea what they're talking about...
Death is the end, that's it. You think there has to be something else because that's what our brains are hardwired to do. it's just like how we literally can't understand exponents at their extremes, or the concept of true nothingness.
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[QUOTE=carcarcargo;28136821]The idea of this is to make us better, I can only see this benefiting us and making us better as people.[/QUOTE]
I agree, but to people who are scared of this, or deniers, they're going to be scared. Very scared.
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[QUOTE=booster;28136832]I think it's amazing!
If someone asked me if I wanted to be immortal, I'd say yes in a heartbeat.
Life is too short anyway.[/QUOTE]
I would say no, I want to die someday, but if I can live on in a machine for a few more centuries, I can still end myself whenever I want.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28136842]Assuming neuroscience and other sciences have no idea what they're talking about...
Death is the end, that's it. You think there has to be something else because that's what our brains are hardwired to do. it's just like how we literally can't understand exponents at their extremes, or the concept of true nothingness.
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I agree, but to people who are scared of this, or deniers, they're going to be scared. Very scared.[/QUOTE]
People who fear this kind of stuff seem to be the kind that romanticize the human form rather than the mind. It's our mind and thoughts that make us human, not the fleshy sack of a body we use, which is simply a tool for the mind to use.
Sounds scary to me.
And too sci-fi. I'd rather live and die as 100% human then be some kind of hybrid fancy pants of a cyborg or anything alike.
It's just unnatural and the concept seems kind of disturbing in my opinion.
Besides, I'd really like to see how much pleasure your screwdriver dicks would get from screwing nails while my dick would be having real pleasure with a moist vagina.
(not counting the age ofc)
[QUOTE=carcarcargo;28136874]People who fear this kind of stuff seem to be the kind that romanticize the human form rather than the mind. It's our mind and thoughts that make us human, not the fleshy sack of a body we use, which is simply a tool for the mind to use.[/QUOTE]
I'll stay human for as long as I can, I enjoy it, but one day being essentially immortal would be nice. But I want to die one day. I know people don't, but I don't see a point to eternity myself. More power to you if you do, but I'll take my peace one day. Even though I firmly believe it's true nothingness beyond us, life will take a toll on your mind I'm sure of it.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;28133251]The human mind is horribly limited. If they can improve upon it, then its all good.[/QUOTE]
Computers are limited to our own knowledge. But the human brain is limitless.
well... within reason of course.
This is just.. wrong.
I'm all for improving tech and so forth, but this is just inhuman.
I'd rather not have my body and mind replaced with artificial ones. I prefer to be a natural human being.
First chance I get I'm becoming a cyborg.
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