[QUOTE=Rofl_copter;28137150]This is just.. wrong.
I'm all for improving tech and so forth, but this is just inhuman.
I'd rather not have my body and mind replaced with artificial ones. I prefer to be a natural human being.[/QUOTE]
Here we go again.
Didn't you people know that technology will never replace human mind and intelligence.
[QUOTE=SlayerFin;28137579]Didn't you people know that technology will never replace human mind and intelligence.[/QUOTE]
How can someone without access to a time machine say they "know" that?
[QUOTE=SlayerFin;28137579]Didn't you people know that technology will never replace human mind and intelligence.[/QUOTE]
clearly never seen Bladerunner.
[QUOTE=SlayerFin;28137579]Didn't you people know that technology will never replace human mind and intelligence.[/QUOTE]
You must reveal to us all of the secrets of the future, almighty traveler of time.
Would be cool to be immortal for a while, then it would become boring. How would you feel after you have been living for 200 years or more?
I'm not OK with being immortal, it would get terribly boring
Such utter horseshit, this prediction isn't based on any realistic thinking at all and even if it were, it's absurdly ethnocentric and classist (or whatever). A better title would be "2045: The Year Rich People in First World Countries Become Immortal" and even then it would be a lie.
Holy titty-fucking shit that's a lot of text.
[QUOTE=Atokniro;28137957]I'm not OK with being immortal, it would get terribly boring[/QUOTE]
You're saying that as if you've explored the entire planet. Trust me, it wouldn't get boring for a long time.
[QUOTE=DaMoggen;28137916]Would be cool to be immortal for a while, then it would become boring. How would you feel after you have been living for 200 years or more?[/QUOTE]
It's not "magical" immortality. It's immortality until you choose to die.
That's fine by me.
Or immortality until your symbiotic robot conscience decides that its paper flesh counterpart is of no further use.
[QUOTE=dass;28136911]Sounds scary to me.
And too sci-fi. I'd rather live and die as 100% human then be some kind of hybrid fancy pants of a cyborg or anything alike.
It's just unnatural and the concept seems kind of disturbing in my opinion.
Besides, I'd really like to see how much pleasure your screwdriver dicks would get from screwing nails while my dick would be having real pleasure with a moist vagina.
(not counting the age ofc)[/QUOTE]
You do realize that you could just directly stimulate the pleasure center of your brain if you had the kind of control over the mind that we're talking about here. Probably better than any sex and you don't even have to get a girlfriend. Of course, there are inherent problems (People would just sit on their asses and press the orgasm button all day, like louis wu in the second ringworld book).
Imagine a computer that composed ever single possible piece of music.
[QUOTE=frost13s;28138154]Imagine a computer that composed ever single possible piece of music.[/QUOTE]
You're high, aren't you?
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28138010]Such utter horseshit, this prediction isn't based on any realistic thinking at all and even if it were, it's absurdly ethnocentric and classist (or whatever). A better title would be "2045: The Year Rich People in First World Countries Become Immortal" and even then it would be a lie.[/QUOTE]
The important part of that is not transhumanism to me, but more the fact we'll have reached a point with smarter machines than us.
Will they be as greedy? we'll find out.
[editline]18th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28138212]You're high, aren't you?[/QUOTE]
Maybe you attribute some special quality to the human mind dude, but it's not special. If we can one day replicate the brain, which I believe we will more than be able to do, there you go. The only special thing is how it's progressively programmed as it ages, but even then, repeatable.
if there's nothing special about us, then machines are not terribly different and would be more than capable of doing so. though, not to the extreme in the post you're replying too.
[QUOTE=paul simon;28137794]How can someone without access to a time machine say they "know" that?[/QUOTE]
If time machines existed, surely someone would have traveled to the past and altered something by now.
[QUOTE=redBadger;28138341]If time machines existed, surely someone would have traveled to the past and altered something by now.[/QUOTE]
... No. Why the fuck? Are you actually that dumb to think movies are accurate?
If a fucking time machine existed, the people in possession of it could not travel back in time. They'd ruin any chance of ever having created the machine by changing any part of the past. They'd alter the course of history simply by existing there.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28138359]... No. Why the fuck? Are you actually that dumb to think movies are accurate?
If a fucking time machine existed, the people in possession of it could not travel back in time. They'd ruin any chance of ever having created the machine by changing any part of the past. They'd alter the course of history simply by existing there.[/QUOTE]
Or actually be the reason why things are the way they are. Of course that is pretty bleak since it means you cannot do anything to change time.
They mock me now, but they'll soon find out. When the time comes, they will be [i]begging[/i] me for mercy!! *evil laugh*
[QUOTE=Datsun;28138412]Or actually be the reason why things are the way they are. Of course that is pretty bleak since it means you cannot do anything to change time.[/QUOTE]
Not being able to change time is actually perfect. Time shouldn't change. Things should stay the way they were/are.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28138010]Such utter horseshit, this prediction isn't based on any realistic thinking at all and even if it were, it's absurdly ethnocentric and classist (or whatever). A better title would be "2045: The Year Rich People in First World Countries Become Immortal" and even then it would be a lie.[/QUOTE]
how is it ethnocentric at all in any way
At it's very base this is is a prediction about the future, not some moral judgment or statement that the lower races should not have access to such advances in technology. What the fuck are you even talking about?
[QUOTE=redBadger;28138341]If time machines existed, surely someone would have traveled to the past and altered something by now.[/QUOTE]
Theoretically it would only be able to travel as far back as when it was originally created.
[QUOTE=SlayerFin;28137579]Didn't you people know that technology will never replace human mind and intelligence.[/QUOTE]
SlayerFin.
Accomplished neurologist and computer scientist.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28138295]The important part of that is not transhumanism to me, but more the fact we'll have reached a point with smarter machines than us.
Will they be as greedy? we'll find out.
[editline]18th February 2011[/editline]
Maybe you attribute some special quality to the human mind dude, but it's not special. If we can one day replicate the brain, which I believe we will more than be able to do, there you go. The only special thing is how it's progressively programmed as it ages, but even then, repeatable.
if there's nothing special about us, then machines are not terribly different and would be more than capable of doing so. though, not to the extreme in the post you're replying too.[/QUOTE]
There isn't, no, but the idea of fully replicating a human brain with all of it's quirks and experiences in a mechanical form within ~30 years is absurd. We're just now starting to replicate parts of animal neuronal networks, it's a long long way till we get something even close to a human brain going.
there's also the problem that a person is pretty much defined as a collection of all their experiences and memories and replicating the human experience in an electronic form, even beyond the base idea of a brain, is incredibly tricky.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28138499]how is it ethnocentric at all in any way
At it's very base this is is a prediction about the future, not some moral judgment or statement that the lower races should not have access to such advances in technology. What the fuck are you even talking about?[/QUOTE]
The article and the title of the article. It's celebrating technology and thinking "holy shit people are going to be immortal" and just ignoring the inconvenient fact that the people that would actually have access to this technology are the same people that have access to the absolute highest quality medical care and technology right now. A whole hell of a lot of the world is gonna be left behind if this actually happens, so I wouldn't really call that "Man" becoming immortal
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28138653]There isn't, no, but the idea of fully replicating a human brain with all of it's quirks and experiences in a mechanical form within ~30 years is absurd. We're just now starting to replicate parts of animal neuronal networks, it's a long long way till we get something even close to a human brain going.
there's also the problem that a person is pretty much defined as a collection of all their experiences and memories and replicating the human experience in an electronic form, even beyond the base idea of a brain, is incredibly tricky.
The article and the title of the article. It's celebrating technology and thinking "holy shit people are going to be immortal" and just ignoring the inconvenient fact that the people that would actually have access to this technology are the same people that have access to the absolute highest quality medical care and technology right now. A whole hell of a lot of the world is gonna be left behind if this actually happens, so I wouldn't really call that "Man" becoming immortal[/QUOTE]
Yes, we're just now getting it, but did you not read? Technology inexplicably grows at an exponential rate. We would not be where we are if it did not. I see no reason for technology to slow expansion so rapidly so quickly.
[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28138730]Yes, we're just now getting it, but did you not read? Technology inexplicably grows at an exponential rate. We would not be where we are if it did not. I see no reason for technology to slow expansion so rapidly so quickly.[/QUOTE]
That's the problem with all the futurist thinking. It's assuming the exponential rate that tech has been growing at will continue at that pace for some reason. We're nearing the limits of silicon tech and quantum tech is still in it's infancy, there's no saying if it will work out all the same that silicon has. All this thinking is just hinging on some amorphous "technology" that will somehow solve the incredibly difficult problems that hold back these kinds of things, and I'm not so optimistic as to trust that it will just happen.
[QUOTE=Lord_Ragnarok;28138790]War will go from being hell to being fun. Imagine uploading your brain to a robot body and kicking some ass in Pakistan. If you die, who cares? There's more of you. :D
[editline]19th February 2011[/editline]
I'm going to have an backup body that's a robot that looks like Optimus Prime.[/QUOTE]
And when the enemy hits your area with an EMP bomb all of that is useless and you're fucked.
War will go from being hell to being fun. Imagine uploading your brain to a robot body and kicking some ass in Pakistan. If you die, who cares? There's more of you. :D
[editline]19th February 2011[/editline]
I'm going to have an backup body that's a robot that looks like Optimus Prime.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28138782]That's the problem with all the futurist thinking. It's assuming the exponential rate that tech has been growing at will continue at that pace for some reason. We're nearing the limits of silicon tech and quantum tech is still in it's infancy, there's no saying if it will work out all the same that silicon has. All this thinking is just hinging on some amorphous "technology" that will somehow solve the incredibly difficult problems that hold back these kinds of things, and I'm not so optimistic as to trust that it will just happen.[/QUOTE]
People keep saying we're reaching the limits of what we can do with our materials, and I fail to see where. Every day I see new technology that we scarcely imagined just a few short years ago. Technology may slow down, but I don't think it will slow down that much. As sciences become more advanced, more and more of them converge together, meaning we just have more shit to draw from. If we can get a machine just as smart as us in the few decades, then I'm sure we'll get there sooner than later.
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