2045: The Year Man Becomes Immortal - Polidicks

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28138852]People keep saying we're reaching the limits of what we can do with our materials, and I fail to see where. Every day I see new technology that we scarcely imagined just a few short years ago. Technology may slow down, but I don't think it will slow down that much. As sciences become more advanced, more and more of them converge together, meaning we just have more shit to draw from. If we can get a machine just as smart as us in the few decades, then I'm sure we'll get there sooner than later.[/QUOTE] We're currently at around 16 nm chip fabrication right now and looking at around 11 nm in 2015. Around that range there are serious problems with energy loss due to quantum tunneling effects. Around 6 nm energy loss becomes so severe that it would render the chips uselessly inefficient. So that's the limits of silicon as we currently know them, and the reason why we're pushing for quantum tech so hard as of recently. And it's pretty much a split of opinion beyond that, I see no reason that tech would surely continue apace, and you trust that it will. I'm just more cynical so far as the futurist thinking goes.

Don't wanna be a machine? Well ok, just have stem cells completely replace your organs every 80 or so years.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28138926]We're currently at around 16 nm chip fabrication right now and looking at around 11 nm in 2015. Around that range there are serious problems with energy loss due to quantum tunneling effects. Around 6 nm energy loss becomes so severe that it would render the chips uselessly inefficient. So that's the limits of silicon as we currently know them, and the reason why we're pushing for quantum tech so hard as of recently. And it's pretty much a split of opinion beyond that, I see no reason that tech would surely continue apace, and you trust that it will. I'm just more cynical so far as the futurist thinking goes.[/QUOTE] Fair enough. technology is one of the few things i'm truly hopeful in.

It'd be interesting if in a century or two there's a class system based on how much of your body is artificial. I'm not quite sure whether it'll be the pure breeds or the cyborgs who do the manual labour. On the bright side, I'll (probably) be dead by then so I don't have to worry too much. [quote] o but blubafoon wut abut ur kids? :((([/quote] I don't intend to have kids so that isn't an issue. [quote] don't you think that everyone could live side by side happily?[/quote] Sure we could, but we won't. [quote] Stop abusing quotes.[/quote] Fine.

[QUOTE=blubafoon;28139014]It'd be interesting if in a century or two there's a class system based on how much of your body is artificial. I'm not quite sure whether it'll be the pure breeds or the cyborgs who do the manual labour. On the bright side, I'll (probably) be dead by then so I don't have to worry too much. I don't intend to have kids so that isn't an issue. Sure we could, but we won't. Fine.[/QUOTE] cyborgs would, why would they put inefficient and useless people on manual labour a machine would be more efficient at. machines would still have to worry about efficiency.

I want bionic eyes with the ability to see through cloth-type things, also thermal vision

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28138653]There isn't, no, but the idea of fully replicating a human brain with all of it's quirks and experiences in a mechanical form within ~30 years is absurd. We're just now starting to replicate parts of animal neuronal networks, it's a long long way till we get something even close to a human brain going. there's also the problem that a person is pretty much defined as a collection of all their experiences and memories and replicating the human experience in an electronic form, even beyond the base idea of a brain, is incredibly tricky. The article and the title of the article. It's celebrating technology and thinking "holy shit people are going to be immortal" and just ignoring the inconvenient fact that the people that would actually have access to this technology are the same people that have access to the absolute highest quality medical care and technology right now. A whole hell of a lot of the world is gonna be left behind if this actually happens, so I wouldn't really call that "Man" becoming immortal[/QUOTE] Doesn't that apply to absolutely every single article about technology ever released? The point isn't how this technology is distributed, it's that it's accomplished. That's kind of what people mean when they say things like "when man landed on the moon". It doesn't mean that all of mankind went to the fucking moon. This article is about how amazing it is that we could even possibly do this in the first place, if you want to talk about cultural inequality and the poor conditions faced by third world countries, there are plenty of places to do so. But to get your panties in a twist over something that isn't even about that is absolutely pointless. [editline]19th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28138926]We're currently at around 16 nm chip fabrication right now and looking at around 11 nm in 2015. Around that range there are serious problems with energy loss due to quantum tunneling effects. Around 6 nm energy loss becomes so severe that it would render the chips uselessly inefficient. So that's the limits of silicon as we currently know them, and the reason why we're pushing for quantum tech so hard as of recently. And it's pretty much a split of opinion beyond that, I see no reason that tech would surely continue apace, and you trust that it will. I'm just more cynical so far as the futurist thinking goes.[/QUOTE] The point is that we've run into road blocks before. We always find some sort of new way to get around the problem and continue improving on processing speed. I'm not going to tell you how we'll get around this problem, but since we've been getting over problems for the last hundred years I see no reason why we won't do so again. People seem to have a habit of getting around seemingly impassible barriers. [editline]19th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Sun;28136934]Computers are limited to our own knowledge. But the human brain is limitless. well... within reason of course.[/QUOTE] The human brain is limitless except for when it isn't. Brilliant deduction Mr. Holmes.

[QUOTE=Combine_dumb;28139155]I want bionic eyes with the ability to see through cloth-type things, also thermal vision[/QUOTE] You want to see some robo-titties :q:

Not to mention assuming we were to hit some sort of road block in the world of processing every computer based research company on the planet would instantly start funneling all of their money into some way to overcome that obstacle. And even if you don't have much faith in humanity, it's pretty hard to not have faith in lots of money. [editline]19th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=johan_sm;28139297]You want to see some robo-titties :q:[/QUOTE] the problem is that in the future when you look through women's clothes they all look like this [img]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XmOHtmXP-88/SuByCDUV7zI/AAAAAAAAAIY/xwfan7MWx5k/s400/GigerSil2.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Zeke129;28133293]I'd rather die than live as a machine[/QUOTE] Machines are awesome and math homework would be a breeze.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28139195]Doesn't that apply to absolutely every single article about technology ever released? The point isn't how this technology is distributed, it's that it's accomplished. That's kind of what people mean when they say things like "when man landed on the moon". It doesn't mean that all of mankind went to the fucking moon. This article is about how amazing it is that we could even possibly do this in the first place, if you want to talk about cultural inequality and the poor conditions faced by third world countries, there are plenty of places to do so. But to get your panties in a twist over something that isn't even about that is absolutely pointless. [editline]19th February 2011[/editline] The point is that we've run into road blocks before. We always find some sort of new way to get around the problem and continue improving on processing speed. I'm not going to tell you how we'll get around this problem, but since we've been getting over problems for the last hundred years I see no reason why we won't do so again. People seem to have a habit of getting around seemingly impassible barriers. [editline]19th February 2011[/editline] The human brain is limitless except for when it isn't. Brilliant deduction Mr. Holmes.[/QUOTE] Fine fine, I just see proclamations of wonderous achievements benefiting mankind in unimaginable ways all the time and the fact that a lot of people still don't have electricity much less anything modern is just kind of not addressed. It's a problem with the whole futurist movement and it bugs me. And that's my point, it's just the assumption that whatever happens we'll get past it and it's pretty much just faith that technology will "work", no matter what. Like I said above, difference in opinion.

"I want a robotic arm. Just the arm. And a little off the top please." Yeah, the future is going to be a lot different.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28139351] the problem is that in the future when you look through women's clothes they all look like this [img_thumb]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_XmOHtmXP-88/SuByCDUV7zI/AAAAAAAAAIY/xwfan7MWx5k/s400/GigerSil2.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Would not bang, but HOLY FUCK that's beautiful. Except maybe the face.

This is amazing, although I doubt most of the general public would embrace the idea with such an open mind.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28139460]Fine fine, I just see proclamations of wonderous achievements benefiting mankind in unimaginable ways all the time and the fact that a lot of people still don't have electricity much less anything modern is just kind of not addressed. It's a problem with the whole futurist movement and it bugs me. And that's my point, it's just the assumption that whatever happens we'll get past it and it's pretty much just faith that technology will "work", no matter what. Like I said above, difference in opinion.[/QUOTE] And I'm just saying that that's a completely different issue, that, while with merit, has nothing to do with the futurist movement at all. It's like faulting a group based around less corruption in their country for not campaigning for less corruption in North Korea first. Faith would imply that it's an unreasonable assumption that isn't based on any sort of information. Thinking that if you pray enough your cat will come back from the dead is faith, thinking that science will get past the next limitation coming over the horizon in scientific research because science has done so for every limitation up to this point is an a reasonable guess. Honestly, there's no reason for your cynicism. Sometimes being pessimistic isn't the most logical position.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;28139040]cyborgs would, why would they put inefficient and useless people on manual labour a machine would be more efficient at. machines would still have to worry about efficiency.[/QUOTE] Even a half-robotic man can't perform at the pace a fully automated machine line can. [editline]18th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28139460][B]Fine fine, I just see proclamations of wonderous achievements benefiting mankind in unimaginable ways all the time and the fact that a lot of people still don't have electricity much less anything modern is just kind of not addressed. It's a problem with the whole futurist movement and it bugs me.[/B] And that's my point, it's just the assumption that whatever happens we'll get past it and it's pretty much just faith that technology will "work", no matter what. Like I said above, difference in opinion.[/QUOTE] Progress cannot be halted because some people can't keep up. This line of thought could very well halt progress and innovation if too many people tried to adhere to it. Think of it this way: Which would last longer, giving a billion towards stem cell research, or a billion to feed the hungry in Africa? Sure you might be able to fill their bellies for a week, but by the end of that week, what was accomplished? Imagine how the world would have been if people followed your idea that we need to take care of the needy before we take care of ourselves! Would we have had the Space Race during the Cold War? Would we have had people throwing money into stem cell research?

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;28139658]Even a half-robotic man can't perform at the pace a fully automated machine line can. [editline]18th February 2011[/editline] Progress cannot be halted because some people can't keep up. This line of thought could very well halt progress and innovation if too many people tried to adhere to it. Think of it this way: Which would last longer, giving a billion towards stem cell research, or a billion to feeding the hungry in Africa for a day?[/QUOTE] I never said it should be halted or money should be diverted away from it, I just think that there's little to no focus on the actual logistics of the distribution or who would be able to get tech such as technological immortality (very rich people) and just pure optimism that it will happen and it'll be great. I'm not saying we shouldn't push towards it, we should just consider that when we get to such a point way off in the future it'll be important to make it as wide spread and beneficial for humanity as possible, rather than just the few people that could afford it.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28139782]I never said it should be halted or money should be diverted away from it, I just think that there's little to no focus on the actual logistics of the distribution or who would be able to get tech such as technological immortality (very rich people) and just pure optimism that it will happen and it'll be great. I'm not saying we shouldn't push towards it, we should just consider that when we get to such a point way off in the future it'll be important to make it as wide spread and beneficial for humanity as possible, rather than just the few people that could afford it.[/QUOTE] The initial technology for any endeavor will be within the price range of only the wealthy, look at the first automobiles or electric lighting for households (in the Great Gatsby, one of the signs of Gatsby's gratuitous wealth is his "all electric house.") If anything, it being only available to the wealthy will add incentive to improve upon the methods/designs to make it cheaper, that's pretty much the idea of a luxury item.

Fuck my imperfect human body, I want to be implanted with technology that allows me to read minds and have my arm cut off and replaced with a cybernetic one, and have one of my eyes pulled out and replaced with an advanced imaging processor, and have most of my body covered in armor that can withstand any caliber of bullet along with resistance to most extreme temperatures, and...Well, if you've ever watched Star Trek: The Next Generation or Star Trek: Voyager, you'll see where I'm going with this. [sp]Resistance is futile, bitches![/sp]

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;28139867]The initial technology for any endeavor will be within the price range of only the wealthy, look at the first automobiles or electric lighting for households (in the Great Gatsby, one of the signs of Gatsby's gratuitous wealth is his "all electric house.")[/QUOTE] I know, that's my point. A technology with as much of an impact as this shouldn't be limited to the top .01% and part of the movement should be to look at ways to lower inequality so far as technological distribution goes. Hell, i'd say it's presumptuous of the researchers and futurists to think that they'll even get the technology, who's to say they would be able to afford it or it wouldn't immediately be bought up by the military and limited to the governmental sector. I'm not saying this should be the main focus of futurist thinking, but for a movement that proclaims how amazing technology will make humanity and all the ills it will heal, it should be part of the thinking at least.

I prefer not to live past 65...no thanks.

If it's really true, it's in my life time and I don't want to see it

[QUOTE=Swilly;28139970]I prefer not to live past 65...no thanks.[/QUOTE] I'd love to live long as long as everyone I cared for lasted as long as me.

[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28139934]I know, that's my point. A technology with as much of an impact as this shouldn't be limited to the top .01% and part of the movement should be to look at ways to lower inequality so far as technological distribution goes. Hell, i'd say it's presumptuous of the researchers and futurists to think that they'll even get the technology, who's to say they would be able to afford it or it wouldn't immediately be bought up by the military and limited to the governmental sector. I'm not saying this should be the main focus of futurist thinking, but for a movement that proclaims how amazing technology will make humanity and all the ills it will heal, it should be part of the thinking at least.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I'm pretty damn sure that it's ridiculous to think that information like this, being that it's mainly being worked on by "futurists" could realistically be detained by a single government entity, no matter how large. Especially considering the absolutely massive riots and the many assaulting enemy nations dead set on gaining such knowledge. Not to mention such things are worked on by research groups around the world making the idea of a government take over even more ridiculous. And of course the fucking researchers, if anyone, are going to be able to have access to such knowledge. They're the fucking people who discovered it. That's like saying the Wright Brothers were in danger of having the plane stolen from them. [editline]19th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Swilly;28139970]I prefer not to live past 65...no thanks.[/QUOTE] Well good, that means I won't have to deal with you for all of eternity. Man, the future just looks better and better. [editline]19th February 2011[/editline] I mean Xen, I understand where you're coming from but all of the scenarios and issues you're bringing up are either even more absurd than the ideas you're being pessimistic about or complete non sequitors.

[QUOTE=Mikesword221;28139986]I'd love to live long as long as everyone I cared for lasted as long as me.[/QUOTE] Oh yes, coupled with the crippling fact that you can now watch as everything you've done means abso-fucking-lutely nothing [editline]18th February 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28140092] [editline]19th February 2011[/editline] Well good, that means I won't have to deal with you for all of eternity. Man, the future just looks better and better. [/QUOTE] And way to be a dick.

[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28140092]Yeah, I'm pretty damn sure that it's ridiculous to think that information like this, being that it's mainly being worked on by "futurists" could realistically be detained by a single government entity, no matter how large. Especially considering the absolutely massive riots and the many assaulting enemy nations dead set on gaining such knowledge. Not to mention such things are worked on by research groups around the world making the idea of a government take over even more ridiculous. And of course the fucking researchers, if anyone, are going to be able to have access to such knowledge. They're the fucking people who discovered it. That's like saying the Wright Brothers were in danger of having the plane stolen from them. [editline]19th February 2011[/editline] Well good, that means I won't have to deal with you for all of eternity. Man, the future just looks better and better.[/QUOTE] The difference is, the wright brothers researched AND built. The kind of technology needed to fabricate or bring this idea to fruition would be incredibly complex and likely in the realm of institutions or governments, not individual researchers. Just because you theorized an idea doesn't mean you get to do it for sure. e: It could be detained by a government just through them being the only entity to have the resources to implement the idea.

[QUOTE=Swilly;28140143]Oh yes, coupled with the crippling fact that you can now watch as everything you've done means abso-fucking-lutely nothing [/QUOTE] You're a semi-immortal machine that can, if you wanted to, make a realistic trip to explore the galaxy even without FTL travel. As long as you have automated systems continually maintaining you, time means absolutely [I]nothing[/I] to you. Being an uploaded consciousness means you have all the powers an AI would have at it's disposal, yet none of the inherent weaknesses. You'd be the perfect melding of organic creativity, emotion, and initiative, and mechanical processing, speed, and hardiness.

I honestly don't see how some of us on FP are against this. This is fucking amazing. I've been wanting to become a godamn cyborg since I was 5. [b] I'VE BEEN WANTING TO ACHIEVE PERFECTION. THE FLESH IS WEAK, ONLY THE MACHINE IS STRONG [/b]

[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;28140181]You're a semi-immortal machine that can, if you wanted to, make a realistic trip to explore the galaxy even without FTL travel. As long as you have automated systems continually maintaining you, time means absolutely [I]nothing[/I] to you.[/QUOTE] Except it does to me....it always does...It just keeps ticking.

I dont see why people are scared of being immortal. Think about it you could have things. The ability to perceive or to not. Why would anyone choose to not be able to get new information or any information for that matter. Even if your bored its still way better then experience nothing. Machines can help you do this, think faster and make your toast so why not?