[QUOTE=noise_maker;28140189]I honestly don't see how some of us on FP are against this.
This is fucking amazing. I've been wanting to become a godamn cyborg since I was 5.
Fuck yeah.[/QUOTE]
Because we keep pushing to perfect ourselves and we already are. Our imperfection is what makes us perfect as natural animals. To continue to fight that idea is just....mind blowing. I understand the intentions behind it, but I know it'll never happen.
[QUOTE=Richard Simmons;28133121][b]I think the human would do great when integrated into a machine[/b][/QUOTE]
[b][i]Fuck no[/i][/b]
Take anything you'd like, not my humanity.
[QUOTE=Swilly;28140223]Because we keep pushing to perfect ourselves and we already are. Our imperfection is what makes us perfect as natural animals. To continue to fight that idea is just....mind blowing. I understand the intentions behind it, but I know it'll never happen.[/QUOTE]
So you don't want to better yourself?
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[QUOTE=jjsullivan;28140241][b][i]Fuck no[/i][/b]
Take anything you'd like, not my humanity.[/QUOTE]
The mind is the part of the human I like. everything is useless besides perhaps pleasure organs.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28140245]So you don't want to better yourself?[/QUOTE]
I'll better myself, but I'm not going to better myself in every way.
I also realize because experience after experience has taught me. [b]Too much of a good thing is bad.[/b]
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28140245]So you don't want to better yourself?[/QUOTE]
I like me, not me 2.0.
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;28140241][B][I]Fuck no[/I][/B]
Take anything you'd like, not my humanity.[/QUOTE]
We're not taking your humanity, we're simply taking away the fleshy bits and giving you immortality in the process. Humanity isn't about the body, it's about the mind, and nothing's being done to substantially alter it.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28140245]So you don't want to better yourself?
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The mind is the part of the human I like. everything is useless besides perhaps my pleasure organs.[/QUOTE]
Who needs organs when you can just connect some electrodes to the pleasure receptors in your brain.
[QUOTE=Swilly;28140267]I'll better myself, but I'm not going to better myself in everyway. I also realize because experience after experience has taught me. [b]Too much of a good thing is bad.[/b][/QUOTE]
Unless of course it has to do with health and intelligence.
[editline]18th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;28140271]I like me, not me 2.0.[/QUOTE]
Thats just being scared of new things.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;28140274]We're not taking your humanity, we're simply taking away the fleshy bits and giving you immortality in the process. Humanity isn't about the body, it's about the mind, and nothing's being done to substantially alter it.[/QUOTE]
Part of humanity is the human body.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;28140274]We're not taking your humanity, we're simply taking away the fleshy bits and giving you immortality in the process.
You'd have the same drives, emotions, memories, feelings, just in a new shell.[/QUOTE]
Man's humanity is in part formed through the imperfections of the human mind and body. To be a mind in a perfect body, with better than perfect seeing, hearing, thinking, everything would be questionably human.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28140291]
Thats just being scared of new things.[/QUOTE]
I'm scared of that one episode of the twilight zone, and with good reason.
[QUOTE=jeimizu;28140277]Who needs organs when you can just connect some electrodes to the pleasure receptors in your brain.[/QUOTE]
They did that before with a button that causes pleasure. The guy they did it on pressed the button more then a few thousand times in an hour.
[editline]18th February 2011[/editline]
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;28140305]Part of humanity is the human body.[/QUOTE]
So genetically different people would not be human?
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28140326]
So genetically different people would not be human?[/QUOTE]
It's not genetically different, what you say would [b][i]remove[/i][/b] genetics.
[QUOTE=Swilly;28140143]And way to be a dick.[/QUOTE]
Hey, you're the one who wants to die.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28140306]Man's humanity is in part formed through the imperfections of the human mind and body. To be a mind in a perfect body, with better than perfect seeing, hearing, thinking, everything would be questionably human.[/QUOTE]
Well its not perfect but its a lot better. A cave man could say this to use since we live much longer then he did and have much less health problems.
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[QUOTE=jjsullivan;28140355]It's not genetically different, what you say would [b][i]remove[/i][/b] genetics.[/QUOTE]
So? who cares if you are made out of meat or metal. what difference does it make besides the fact that you live longer?
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28140306]Man's humanity is in part formed through the imperfections of the human mind and body. To be a mind in a perfect body, with better than perfect seeing, hearing, thinking, everything would be questionably human.[/QUOTE]
This.
I'm willing to drop my mortal coil and forgo my humanity in exchange for immortality.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28140357]Hey, you're the one who wants to die.[/QUOTE]
And you want to live forever?
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28140326]They did that before with a button that causes pleasure. The guy they did it on pressed the button more then a few thousand times in an hour.
[editline]18th February 2011[/editline]
So genetically different people would not be human?[/QUOTE]
Indeed, I believe he severely injured himself trying to push the button more. Didn't he wear the skin off his fingers or something?
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28140358]Well its not perfect but its a lot better. A cave man could say this to use since we live much longer then he did and have much less health problems.[/QUOTE]
That's much less of a radical difference. A cave man still had a physical body. I know it's fun to think about, but it's a serious question, if a imperfect mind in a perfect body would still be human. Or taking this to the extremes that futurists do, if taking your mind and putting it in a perfect container would be even less so. I mean, yes cybernetic limbs and altered vision would be great, but when you take it to further and have a fully robot body it starts to seem a little questionable.
[QUOTE=noise_maker;28140379]This.
I'm willing to drop my mortal coil and forgo my humanity in exchange for immortality.[/QUOTE]
This i'm fine with, it's just the claim that if you took everything that made you human and replaced you would still have your humanity that's the problem.
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28140162]The difference is, the wright brothers researched AND built. The kind of technology needed to fabricate or bring this idea to fruition would be incredibly complex and likely in the realm of institutions or governments, not individual researchers. Just because you theorized an idea doesn't mean you get to do it for sure.
e: It could be detained by a government just through them being the only entity to have the resources to implement the idea.[/QUOTE]
Considering that the Large Hadron collider, the most expensive and complex single device [I]ever made[/I] was created privately, and it's hundreds of orders above what a piece of even the most complex medical technology costs, even assuming that the new device that we don't even know is necessary costs as much as the most expensive piece of medical technology today, it [I]still[/I] wouldn't require the government to make.
So yeah, that combined with everything I already pointed out, you're kinda talking out your ass.
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;28140394]And you want to live forever?[/QUOTE]
yes I do. Being dead is means you see nothing, hear nothing, taste, feel and smell nothing. Its the worst thing ever.
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;28140394]And you want to live forever?[/QUOTE]
I do, for one. How do you know what it's like to live forever? You don't, you can make speculation, but none of us really know.
[QUOTE=imasillypiggy;28140422]yes I do. Being dead is means you see nothing, hear nothing, taste, feel and smell nothing. Its the worst thing ever.[/QUOTE]
Well it's not really anything ever
[QUOTE=Swilly;28140223]Because we keep pushing to perfect ourselves and we already are. Our imperfection is what makes us perfect as natural animals. To continue to fight that idea is just....mind blowing. I understand the intentions behind it, but I know it'll never happen.[/QUOTE]
I know that it will. Now let us battle our fake pulled out of our ass knowledge until one of us wins.
I know that I will win, so everyone put your money on me.
[QUOTE=fenwick;28140425]I do, for one. How do you know what it's like to live forever? You don't, you can make speculation, but none of us really know.[/QUOTE]
I'd imagine it's like right now
except forever
[editline]18th February 2011[/editline]
aw yeah bipches double post
If we have the capacity to transfer a mind into a machine, why can't we transfer a mind back into a human body? Imagine continually having clones with which you download your consciousness into, you could effectively re-live your 20-30s with the knowledge of a man 5x that age.
Forever. Or as long as your cash flow holds out to continually get clones.
[QUOTE=jjsullivan;28140241][b][i]Fuck no[/i][/b]
Take anything you'd like, not my humanity.[/QUOTE]
nobody's taking anything you ninny
if you want to continue being fleshy and inefficient and dead that your loss i suppose
[QUOTE=Xen Tricks;28140409]That's much less of a radical difference. A cave man still had a physical body. I know it's fun to think about, but it's a serious question, if a imperfect mind in a perfect body would still be human. Or taking this to the extremes that futurists do, if taking your mind and putting it in a perfect container would be even less so. I mean, yes cybernetic limbs and altered vision would be great, but when you take it to further and have a fully robot body it starts to seem a little questionable.
This i'm fine with, it's just the claim that if you took everything that made you human and replaced you would still have your humanity that's the problem.[/QUOTE]
I say it doesnt much matter if you would still call me human or not. If im able to think I will be happy. personally I would like to be turned into billions of nanobots that store my information in them and learn new things while making more of itself meaning I could never die.
[QUOTE=Swilly;28140267]I'll better myself, but I'm not going to better myself in every way.
I also realize because experience after experience has taught me. [b]Too much of a good thing is bad.[/b][/QUOTE]
Like I said, tell me what your experience tells you about living forever when you're [B]fucking dead.[/B]
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;28140418]Considering that the Large Hadron collider, the most expensive and complex single device [I]ever made[/I] was created privately, and it's hundreds of orders above what a piece of even the most complex medical technology costs, even assuming that the new device that we don't even know is necessary costs as much as the most expensive piece of medical technology today, it [I]still[/I] wouldn't require the government to make.
So yeah, that combined with everything I already pointed out, you're kinda talking out your ass.[/QUOTE]
CERN is funded by it's member states, so the LHC isn't private. And who says anything about medical equipment, it would take things many orders of magnitude more powerful than out best supercomputers to manage this, that's what i'm talking about.
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