• Disney’s Princess Jasmine gets a modest makeover
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[QUOTE=mickers;51031573]eh it doesnt bother me too much , but i would definitely have a hard time figuring out which princess that was if i walked past her in disneyland compared to the original costume.[/QUOTE] I agree, it basically makes her look like every other Disney/fairy tale princess.
People only have a problem with this because it involves arab culture/Islam. Even from just a uniformity standpoint it makes sense to have her in a full dress since all the other Disney princesses are. Not to mention what is essentially a belly dancing outfit is not a good representation of an Arab princess, or even just a princess in general, in any time period. The people against this need to get real seriously.
My only problem here is that her hair isn't long and poofy anymore.
I am surprised it took this long for the general internet to react to this. Ever since it happened this change happened about two weeks ago, the whole Disney community has been really upset about this, even more than the [url=http://www.insidethemagic.net/2016/05/photos-mulan-and-pocahontas-debut-new-outfits-at-walt-disney-world/]costume change for Pocahontas from last May that removed her blue necklace[/url]. Fortunately from what i heard, this is the last of the currently planned update set for the Disney Princesses, though I am curious on what the fallout, if there is any, is going to be from this.
[QUOTE=ZakkShock;51031174]..I like it, honestly.[/QUOTE] As a character design it's pretty good, yeah. It's got that generic Disney Princess look and it wouldn't have been out of place if they used it in Aladdin but 1.) they're departing from the source material because of a stomach and shoulders, something I see by walking down the damn street during summer, and 2.) anywhere anyone is dressed as Jasmine is fucking hot anyway, they don't need more shit to have to wear. I had to march through Disney World in a uniform for a parade and I wanted to fucking die halfway through, I can't imagine doing that on a regular basis. [editline]a[/editline] Actually, the fact that it's got that generic disney princess look is probably kind of a problem, because now when you're looking for Jasmine she's just another princess in a blue dress
[QUOTE=l337k1ll4;51031208]A moment of silence for the actresses whose jobs in Florida/SoCal have now gotten 75% more sweltering.[/QUOTE] faces are 30 minutes on shift, 30 minutes off i don't really think it makes that much of a difference
[QUOTE=LordCrypto;51032014]faces are 30 minutes on shift, 30 minutes off i don't really think it makes that much of a difference[/QUOTE] I can't speak for Cali but Florida is [I]fucking hot and humid[/I]. A thin layer of polyester can make a lot of difference. Taking off the jacket piece of the uniform in my previous post made my life 1000% better by comparison.
The change was kinda unnecessary but it makes more sense and I prefer the new look as well.
[QUOTE=Map in a box;51032742]The change was kinda unnecessary but it makes more sense and I prefer the new look as well.[/QUOTE] I mean, from a general sense, it makes sense for a princess. Jasmine looked like a street belly dancer before, and the old look sort of clashes with what I know of the cultures. But then, I don't know much about said cultures, so that's a flaw in my statement.
[QUOTE=BlackMageMari;51031170]I'm very confused. Feminists are for sexual liberation. This is not exactly sexual liberation. Also lol @ the reason being her showing her stomach, yeahhhhhhhhh, right.[/QUOTE] 3rd wave "feminists" are for whatever they can be outraged at and by for maximum attention, and generally speaking not for anything that requires diligence, intelligence or continual and ongoing evaluation, and most especially taking personal responsibility for seeing if things like reality and laws of physics actually match their opinions consistently. You're thinking of 2nd wave feminism which only old people from the 90s use as a cultural benchmark. As for the outfit itself, you wouldn't find either one of them on a "traditional" princess, so that's actually kind of an non-issue.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;51031182]I know you're making a joke, but you realise that the dress code for women in Islamic countries hasn't always been strictly enforced and there's no country where you're legally mandated to wear a burqa, right?[/QUOTE] Er... Yeah there is, dude. Saudi Arabia is one, I lived there. How are you so misinformed?
[QUOTE=Wafflemonstr;51031755]People only have a problem with this because it involves arab culture/Islam. Even from just a uniformity standpoint it makes sense to have her in a full dress since all the other Disney princesses are. Not to mention what is essentially a belly dancing outfit is not a good representation of an Arab princess, or even just a princess in general, in any time period. The people against this need to get real seriously.[/QUOTE] i'm fairly sure most people who have a problem with this have it because they disagree with changing the design to be different from the movie. that seems to be the far simpler explanation than islamophobia
Why didn't they just add skin colored cloth to cover it up? They do it to the mermaid Ariel costumes. On a side note, I wonder if there's a costume manufacturer that can sue Disney for using their design because man that dress looks super generic.
[QUOTE=Ninja Gnome;51033075]i'm fairly sure most people who have a problem with this have it because they disagree with changing the design to be different from the movie. that seems to be the far simpler explanation than islamophobia[/QUOTE]By all the stars above, thank you. I dislike this new costume. I also have always disliked the fact that damn near every single actor/piece of merchandise representing Belle uses the yellow ball dress she wore in exactly one scene, over the blue dress from the rest of the movie I thought looked much nicer. I am not any more Islamophobic for holding the former stance than I am for the latter. It may make me an annoying picky fanboy, sure, but blanketing me as a bigot is [I]ludicrous[/I].
[quote]Jasmine does not represent Arab or Muslim women at all but rather a disgraceful woman in their culture[/quote] And that's kind of the point of a rebellious disney princess? How is her not being a contentedly-repressed muslim woman archetype offensive to feminists, anyway?
politically correct dress to please religion conservative crowd ? I sort of don't get it in this time and era ... considering she is from area of belly dancers or maybe this is middle step ... so when needed ... as preparation for full coverage to show only eyes ...
It looks like they've just made the adult performers costume look more like the kids costume they sell.
Just imagine if there was a parallel case with a "Christian" character. I'd like to see which of you guys would support the wardrobe change. [editline]11th September 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=archangel125;51033007]Er... Yeah there is, dude. Saudi Arabia is one, I lived there. How are you so misinformed?[/QUOTE] "Oh hehehe I got you because technically I said the [B]burka[/B] and technically that isn't required to wear in SA hehehe, gotcha!"
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;51031182]I know you're making a joke, but you realise that the dress code for women in Islamic countries hasn't always been strictly enforced and there's no country where you're legally mandated to wear a burqa, right?[/QUOTE] In Afghanistan it is, and in India and Pakistan women are expected to cover their heads, but the state does not elaborate on how they are to do that.
Isn't the whole point of Aladdin that social castes are bullshit and that you shouldn't feel forced to comply to certain constraints just because older generations tell you to ? Pushing a more "traditional" outfit on Jasmine kind of defeats the purpose of the story since she's literally supposed to be breaking the codes.
They better change Tarzan too.
[QUOTE=space1;51033949]In Afghanistan it is, and in India and Pakistan women are expected to cover their heads, but the state does not elaborate on how they are to do that.[/QUOTE] Not in Afghanistan. Before the Taliban took over, the chadri wasn't really worn at all. Now, it's becoming much less popular in the bigger cities after they've been . It's not required to wear one, unless you live in the southern, rural parts of Afghanistan. In Pakistan, there's no current law that requires, nor enforces you to wear a hijab, but instead a lot of women wear the dupatta, which is a sort of scarf around the head, like a hijab. You might be right about India, but I don't know much of the area.
[QUOTE=Ganerumo;51033972]Pushing a more "traditional" outfit on Jasmine kind of defeats the purpose of the story since she's literally supposed to be breaking the codes.[/QUOTE] This was her palace outfit though, all it signifies is Disney's artistic license/choice to not be bound by local history or culture, just like they did with Hercules and arguably Pocahontas. I disagree with changing the outfit though. This is the iconic portrayal of the character, it's wrong to update it.
what's the point of dressing up as jasmine if you aren't actually dressing up as jasmine
[QUOTE=Omilinon;51031225]I quite like it, actually. It's simply a silk dress. In the movie, Jasmine is pretty strong-willed. It's not like they're changing her personality or anything. Just a wardrobe change. Also, "offending Muslims"? Almost every single Muslim I've met has loved Aladdin, even the second one, because it's an Iraq-based movie. The bedlah is also traditional, yes, but it's rather dated. Those critics must be hard-asses.[/QUOTE] It's kind of funny because Jafar treats her like meat and it's explicitly shown to be fucking bad. She hooks up with Alladin who treats her as an equal. The idea of women being more modest feels like it's become weird-fucking-lingo right now. In the western world there's no reason for a woman (or a man) to take on the ideal of modesty. Instead there's the ideal of being reasonable. I think this "Modesty" bullshit is people just trying to enforce the idea of not liking how someone looks, tbh.
[QUOTE=iggy650;51031441]Not at all, she's supposed to resemble what a young Arabian princess would wear if she were to live in the scalding hot sun-raped middle eastern desert in a time of no air conditioning or running water.[/QUOTE] it'd be a horrible idea to wear revealing clothing if you live in a scalding hot desert
[QUOTE=Zukriuchen;51034130]it'd be a horrible idea to wear revealing clothing if you live in a scalding hot desert[/QUOTE] except for if you live in a giant palace and never leave
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51034183]except for if you live in a giant palace and never leave[/QUOTE] Or in a cartoon for that matter. I don't mind the change if it was based on the employee's comfort. But again the idea of changing it because the outrage against woman showing her skin is fucking laughable, fuck this "Modesty" trend that's been lately catching fire.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;51034183]except for if you live in a giant palace and never leave[/QUOTE] oh right i forgot to add that i don't support the change because you apparently can't post without disclaimers nowadays
[QUOTE=Keyblockor1;51034251]Or in a cartoon for that matter. I don't mind the change if it was based on the employee's comfort. But again the idea of changing it because the outrage against woman showing her skin is fucking laughable, fuck this "Modesty" trend that's been lately catching fire.[/QUOTE] To be fair, America has always been pretty prudish.
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