Photos of Swedish Neo-Nazis Fighting Antifascists in the Woods(vice) - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Killuah;43222383]tip: most of them weren't hired [editline]18th December 2013[/editline] The amount of Hitler apologies and defense in this thread disgusts me.[/QUOTE] So? Doesn't change the fact that they built one of the most important and major highway systems ever made. The people that were being used for cold-weather experiments in concentration camps also were also forced to do it, but that isn't gonna stop anyone from wearing their modern cold weather jackets that are based off the results of those experiments.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43224581]The funny thing is that up to the 1820's to 1850's, most of the basic pay for armies was done by looting.[/QUOTE] That doesn't justify it because it was done 100 years prior. A hundred years ago, gas warfare was a thing as well was targeting civilians. That doesn't mean it's fine to do so today. (Or back then)

[video=youtube;CFfc4UWzVB8]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFfc4UWzVB8[/video] My town on the First of May last year just outside of my apartment...

[QUOTE=acds;43223217]Two villains fighting eachother is more accurate. If they didn't have neonazis to fight they'd go for just about anything else (and they often do).[/QUOTE] those poor nazis :( i hate antifa because they hurt my nazi friends.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43221113]built on stealing from jewish banks? also it was a war economy and basically unsustainable.[/QUOTE] The reason the economy boomed was because of an entirely economy based off of entirely new resources. Not because of stealing. Granted, that new resource was a demand for war machines. [editline]18th December 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43221065]Nazis did good in the end. They directly caused the state of Israel to exist.[/QUOTE] I fail to see how this is a good thing. Israel is basically a nation that is violently taking over Palestine and pissing the fuck out of every one of it's neighbors. Israel would be a good idea if it were ANYWHERE else in the world, but it's surrounded by nations that have strong roots in Islam, and consequently hate Israel. Israel's actions are going to drag us into another middle eastern war, I guarantee it.

If Hitler didn't go to war, Germany would have collapsed and become an economic basketcase by the 1950s.

[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;43221105]HEEEERE WE GO FOLKS ITS TIME FOR ANOTHER RIVETING ROUND OF [I]NAZIS: DID HITLER DO WRONG[/I] This episode brought to you by Vice, because if its not nice, its Vice![/QUOTE] Funniest post I've seen all year

[QUOTE=katbug;43227285]The reason the economy boomed was because of an entirely economy based off of entirely new resources. Not because of stealing. Granted, that new resource was a demand for war machines.[/QUOTE] actually it was mostly from stealing from jewish banks. [editline]18th December 2013[/editline] once they started to run out of jewish targets, the german economy started to get fucked.

[QUOTE=katbug;43227285]The reason the economy boomed was because of an entirely economy based off of entirely new resources. Not because of stealing. Granted, that new resource was a demand for war machines.[/quote] Based off of new resources? What new resources? Perhaps the stuff they stole from civilians and governments they annexed and conquered? [QUOTE=katbug;43227285][editline]18th December 2013[/editline] I fail to see how this is a good thing. Israel is basically a nation that is violently taking over Palestine and pissing the fuck out of every one of it's neighbors. Israel would be a good idea if it were ANYWHERE else in the world, but it's surrounded by nations that have strong roots in Islam, and consequently hate Israel. Israel's actions are going to drag us into another middle eastern war, I guarantee it.[/QUOTE] This I can somewhat agree to. Israel most likely would have happened with or without WW II eventually, it's just that the Holocaust sped up the process of calls for a Jewish homeland.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43227352]Based off of new resources? What new resources? Perhaps the stuff they stole from civilians and governments they annexed and conquered? This I can somewhat agree to. Israel most likely would have happened with or without WW II eventually, it's just that the Holocaust sped up the process of calls for a Jewish homeland.[/QUOTE] The new resource was a demand; the demand for guns, tanks, and other war implements. Germany's economy was in the shitter, but they still had all their old resources. They had a whole lot of iron and nobody to buy it.

I've seen a few vids of anti-racial skinheads shitkicking racist skinheads... good feeling.

I might be wrong, but I was pretty sure that this was a thread about recent Nazi movements in Sweden, not about what really happened in WWII. Can we make it that?

Does facepunch suddenly not like vice or something

[QUOTE=katbug;43227421]The new resource was a demand; the demand for guns, tanks, and other war implements. Germany's economy was in the shitter, but they still had all their old resources. They had a whole lot of iron and nobody to buy it.[/QUOTE] Actually, Hitler made exportation of steel and coal illegal in the later 30s prior to the war. There were buyers, but they weren't allowed to sell.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43227256]those poor nazis :( i hate antifa because they hurt my nazi friends.[/QUOTE] you literally are 12

I like how people counter-argue using Hitler as an example that nazis can do good things.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43227256]those poor nazis :( i hate antifa because they hurt my nazi friends.[/QUOTE] Did you even [I]read[/I] the post you replied to, or did you just assume that's what he said? 'cause it's been pointed out several times that your anti-facist anarchist buddies here are prone to beatin' up conservatives and such too, when they haven't got nazis to punch.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43227532]Actually, Hitler made exportation of steel and coal illegal in the later 30s prior to the war. There were buyers, but they weren't allowed to sell.[/QUOTE] Internal trading still happened.

[QUOTE=katbug;43227285]The reason the economy boomed was because of an entirely economy based off of entirely new resources. Not because of stealing. Granted, that new resource was a demand for war machines. [editline]18th December 2013[/editline] I fail to see how this is a good thing. Israel is basically a nation that is violently taking over Palestine and pissing the fuck out of every one of it's neighbors. Israel would be a good idea if it were ANYWHERE else in the world, but it's surrounded by nations that have strong roots in Islam, and consequently hate Israel. Israel's actions are going to drag us into another middle eastern war, I guarantee it.[/QUOTE] It was huge sarcasm.

[QUOTE=Kljunas;43227668]I like how people counter-argue using Hitler as an example that nazis can do good things.[/QUOTE] Nazis built the Moon and created oil.

[QUOTE=katbug;43227757]Internal trading still happened.[/QUOTE] Autarkies are not healthy economies.

[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;43227780]Autarkies are not healthy economies.[/QUOTE] It's basically economic incest.

[QUOTE=Tophat;43221019]Hitler also improved the nations economic status and decreased the unemployment rate to 3%. The man may have done wrong, but don't dismiss his good that quickly.[/QUOTE] Long post ahoy, don't want to read it? Then don't. This is only partly correct, and further it was not done via Hitler's "genius" or abilities. Almost every benefit of Nazi Germany came not from Nazi policy on economics or programs but on resource exploitation of annexations, colonies, and seizures from minorities- Jews in particular. Excerpts from "[URL="http://www.amazon.co.uk/Brief-History-The-Third-Reich/dp/1849012997"]A Brief History of the Third Reich: Rise and Fall of the Nazis" by Martyn Whittock[/URL], which I recommend picking up, and also another book in the same series: "A Brief History of 1917: Russia's Year of Revolution" by Roy Bainton. "Given the Nazi promises that they were the only party capable of rescuing Germany from the depression, they were remarkably short of detailed economic plans. This was consistent with Hitler's general approach to issues of setting broad goals and leaving the details to later. *** The principal aims of Nazi economic policy that emerged in the 1930s were, first, increased political direction of economic planning whilst still allowing considerable freedom of maneuver for German capitalists to prosper; second, to create autarky, which aimed to make Germany self-sufficient and independent of the international system of trade; third, to establish a war-economy whereby the overall aims of the economy were ultimately geared to winning a future war. However, just listing these aims gives them the appearance of being part of a coordinated and coherent plan. Nothing could be further from the truth. As with so much else in the Third Reich, Nazi economic polices would be a complicated mass of, at times, contradictory policies. Perhaps the most famous achievements of the Nazi regime was a reduction in German unemployment figures from about 6 million in 1933 to under one million by 1938. This, unsurprisingly, made a great impression on the Germans at the time and was loudly trumpeted by the Nazi propaganda machine. To many international observers, the replacement of dole queues with armies of determined workers engaged in building projects would be one of the most striking characteristics of the Third Reich. It was achieved by government investment of public-works programs designed to employ large number of unemployed, even if this was in labor-intensive schemes that were not necessarily the most efficient way to get a job done. The most famous...form of there could be seen in the new system of autobahns...by 1938, a total of 2,170 miles (3,500 kilos) had been built despite the fact that Germany had few cars...In addition, there were many public-building projects, draining marches, bringing moorland under cultivation and increased spending on armaments. The first two [public works programs] had been planned under the Weimer governments but the Nazis took credit for implementing these schemes. In the same way, the Nazis were assisted by a worldwide economic recovery that was slowly under way." and he goes on: From 1933-37, "German economic policy was greatly influenced by Dr. Hjalmar Schacht, who was 'an ingenious, pragmatic banker, not a theoretical economist'. Schacht was not a Nazi but instead was a well-respected conservative who was made president of the Reichsbank in 1933 and Economic Minister in 1934. Under Schacht, interest payments on foreign debts were frozen." The creditor countries failed to make a united stand against Germany and instead Germany brokered small trade agreements individually with non-creditor countries that would not act hostile or become a threat to Germany, specifically southeastern Europe. "By 1938, Germany overshadowed all the economies of south-Eastern Europe...Germany dominated [trade] from the Balkans. In return, these countries had to accept payment in German currency, which then had to be used to buy German goods, or invested in industries tat produced goods required by Germany." Goring's Four-Year Plan came about due to contradiction in agricultural/economic policy: on one hand, Germany had caused a lack of reserves of foreign currency by dominating their trade partners' markets with their own, and therefore they could not purchase the necessary food imports except through reparations for exports, which they were decreasing on in order to create autarky. The only way to fix this would be to cut into the imports already existing, of material needed for rearmament, which the bank and war departments refused. They could not buy food, but Germany required more- especially considering that they were trying to push for food self-sufficiency by 1940, and yet the economic ministries were forcing agricultural production down in order to keep crop prices up and stop a depression from resurfacing in the farming class. The Nazis refused to export more German goods, which would increase foreign currency reserves and allow for reapplication of those reserves to import more food, but that would have created at some level reliance. Hitler could not make a decisions, and made Goring do it though he was not educated in economics. The program did see improvements in many areas but fell far short of its goals. Further, the actual costs of rearmament and imports, with little to no exports, was financed by the distribution of [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mefo_bills]Mefo Bills[/url], which for all practical purposes were bonds. When Germany failed to self-provide, it relied on its puppet corporation to provide these Mefo Bills that carried with them an interest rate. Because these bills were in circulation instead of Reichmarks, the actual costs of rearmament and economic improvements could be paid in Mefo Bills, preventing the printing and subsequent further inflation of the German currency. Reichsmarks were prevented from going under again by transferring their wealth to bonds that would have to be paid back eventually. The currency was deflated artificially, and eventually the German government would have to pay it back, facilitating an economic crash from excessive debt payments at some point. The economy did not improve- rather, the government spent its way to re-employment and artificially deflated their currency at the expense of massive debt in the future. But even this was not enough to fix the problem of inflation, and in the 1930s most wages and prices were frozen as a temporary fix that would have worn off eventually. So can we quit with this mythology of Hitler saving the German economy?

[QUOTE=Riller;43222468]'scuse me, what? The war started in 1939, picked up pace in 1940, and the first Tiger rolled out it's factory in 1942. Also the tiger was an absolute mechanical nightmare and more of them were lost to simply not working than to enemy fire. Also also, everyone who goes "How can you say the autobahn was good when the holocaust happened?!", notice that the autobahn or unscrewing economy arguments are arguments for why shooting himself wasn't the [I]only[/I] good thing. We all agree that the bad hugely outweigh the good, but saying that every nazi ever was a mustache-twiddling kitten-stomper is just as ignorant as saying Hitler did nothing wrong.[/QUOTE] Sorry, mate. Won't happen again.

[QUOTE=Kljunas;43227668]I like how people counter-argue using Hitler as an example that nazis can do good things.[/QUOTE] literally nobody here is saying that Nazi's are intentional do-gooders or just good people, because they're not. But to say that Nazi's done anything good or beneficial, directly or indirectly, isn't entirely true. It just tends to get overlooked due to their rabid racism and love for ethnic genocide.

This entire discussion could have been avoided if somebody brought up Oskar Schindler instead of fucking Hitler as being the example of a Nazi doing something good.

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43220998]so are there any actual color photos of the demonstration and what not, or are they all just black and white for no reason?[/QUOTE] the forests of scandinavia contain no colour

[QUOTE=Zeke129;43230127]the forests of scandinavia contain no colour[/QUOTE] black and white... like our souls

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43229510]literally nobody here is saying that Nazi's are intentional do-gooders or just good people, because they're not. But to say that Nazi's done anything good or beneficial, directly or indirectly, isn't entirely true. It just tends to get overlooked due to their rabid racism and love for ethnic genocide.[/QUOTE] I know. I meant that when I think of nazis who did good things, Hitler isn't the first person that comes to my mind.

[QUOTE=Moustacheman;43224200]Sorry, mate. It was about 3 A.M. so I was pretty foggy.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Moustacheman;43229430]Sorry, mate. Won't happen again.[/QUOTE] You apologized twice. I demand an apology.