Photos of Swedish Neo-Nazis Fighting Antifascists in the Woods(vice) - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Riller;43230986]You apologized twice. I demand an apology.[/QUOTE]You have no grounds on which to demand anything! Not with your country's silly, [i]silly[/i] helmets: [img]http://i42.tinypic.com/281y069.jpg[/img]

[QUOTE=Kljunas;43230506]I know. I meant that when I think of nazis who did good things, Hitler isn't the first person that comes to my mind.[/QUOTE] When you think of Nazi's who did good things, nobody comes to mind because they are the very definition of bad and evil people, it's just that sometimes the fucked up things they do result in some good down the road; like the cold-weather data we got out of the holocaust, the autobahn (which also later lead to the modernization of US highways in the 50's), jet engine, rockets capable of reaching out of the atmosphere (and a lot of the same scientists and rocket engineers worked on the US Apollo missions), and [i]some[/i] nuclear technology. Was that worth the deaths of 1% of the world's population? Depends who you ask.

Well no, since literally all of those things could have been done without the massive war and prolonged misery the Nazi regime caused

[QUOTE=Lonestriper;43234171]Well no, since literally all of those things could have been done without the massive war and prolonged misery the Nazi regime caused[/QUOTE] Ha yeah no bullshit. The reason the human-survivability-cold-weather data was never gathered prior to the holocaust was because it would take an insane and cruel set of people to propose and carry out the experiment because it includes maiming and killing tons of people, so obviously it was never done because nobody would fund it and everyone would want to stop it. The Autobahn was under construction for many years prior to Hitler becoming the leader of WWII era Germany, but he was the one who actually assigned a few hundred thousand workers, slave labor included, to work on it and actually build the roads because they would be vital military supply routes and would save tons of time and fuel. Prior to his involvement, very little of the autobahn was actually constructed. Germany was also flat broke so they had literally no way of constructing the Autobahn without forming their lovely little military industrial complex. Had the German, or any other military, saw no military applications in things like rockets, jet engines, microwaves, and nuclear technology, our current technology would be severely stunted. You'd be surprised how many things you use on a daily basis were originally meant to be used exclusively by a military.

[QUOTE=yawmwen;43221126] we aren't so different, you and i. we hate the swastika all the same.[/QUOTE] I dunno man, the swastika looks pretty rad, it's just a shame its associated with the nazis [editline]a[/editline] [QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43234050]When you think of Nazi's who did good things, nobody comes to mind because they are the very definition of bad and evil people[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Schindler[/url] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karl_Plagge[/url] Just two examples

[QUOTE=Zeke129;43230127]the forests of scandinavia contain no colour[/QUOTE] it's taken at 13:00 so it's using night vision cameras

As a National Socialist myself, I can tell you us civilized -wordremovedbyJIDF- on /pol/ dislike the Neo Nazi shitheads that walk this Earth. Now, onto the whole DID HITLER DO WRONG. Thing Honestly. Hitler did a mix of good and bad. The camps were done by Himmler, so we shouldn't FULLY blame him for that. (I personally believe there were camps, but the "muh six million" story is a bit over dramatic.) But he did fix the German economy, the people's morales, and so much more. [sp]Hitler also fed deer.[/sp]

i still find it weird that people actually go to /pol/ and take it seriously

[QUOTE=Trunk Monkay;43234587]Had the German, or any other military, saw no military applications in things like rockets, jet engines, microwaves, and nuclear technology, our current technology would be severely stunted. You'd be surprised how many things you use on a daily basis were originally meant to be used exclusively by a military.[/QUOTE] You can't say that. Wars do not stimulate technology. Remember that in war, it demands the development of technologies related to military applications at the expense of civilian applications. The integrated metal cartridge, mercury fulminate, rifling, breechloading guns, machine guns, etc have all been stimulated because of military applications. Things like radios, lightbulbs, telephones, fridges, canning, automobiles, and aircraft were often developed by persons who had no intention (at the time of creation) of a military application. These things came later. Plus there's the broken window fallacy. Wars destroy wealth, and do not stimulate economies. When people say "World War 2 ended the Great Depression" they are patently false.

[QUOTE=Paul McCartney;43221157]I think the other guy is a bit more. He literally goes into the shittiest places on the planet, because he can. Fucking Liberia, Fucking warzone Pakistan, etcetc. [editline]17th December 2013[/editline] Though I do respect Thomas. Illegally transporting and guiding a North Korean escapee is a feat on it's own that deserves a trophy.[/QUOTE] or going through Czech(?) drug fields with them junkies

[QUOTE=DalekGhostler;43236799](I personally believe there were camps, but the "muh six million" story is a bit over dramatic.)[/QUOTE] You're right, six million is some far-off bullshit and kinda ridiculous and really cherry-picking the facts. General estimate, including non-jewish victims, is 17 million. Seventeen million civilian men, women and children killed, not in bombing raids, crossfire, misidentified ship torpedoing or artillery shellings, but by active, targeted attacks with the purpose of extermination.

[QUOTE=Sobotnik;43239405]You can't say that. Wars do not stimulate technology. Remember that in war, it demands the development of technologies related to military applications at the expense of civilian applications. The integrated metal cartridge, mercury fulminate, rifling, breechloading guns, machine guns, etc have all been stimulated because of military applications. Things like radios, lightbulbs, telephones, fridges, canning, automobiles, and aircraft were often developed by persons who had no intention (at the time of creation) of a military application. These things came later. Plus there's the broken window fallacy. Wars destroy wealth, and do not stimulate economies. When people say "World War 2 ended the Great Depression" they are patently false.[/QUOTE] You are right in many aspects, most inventions were not intended to be used in war at the time of creation. However they were developed and improved during times of war, along with developments in the production of said inventions and massive increases in efficiency (again due to the destruction of wealth as you mentioned). Obviously there is no knowing how and when certain technologies would have been developed if war was not a factor, but blindly saying "wars do not stimulate technology" is just as wrong as believing wars are the sole cause of technological advancement.

[QUOTE=Riller;43239480]You're right, six million is some far-off bullshit and kinda ridiculous and really cherry-picking the facts. General estimate, including non-jewish victims, is 17 million. Seventeen million civilian men, women and children killed, not in bombing raids, crossfire, misidentified ship torpedoing or artillery shellings, but by active, targeted attacks with the purpose of extermination.[/QUOTE] Estimates on the number of Jews that were murdered can fluctuate anywhere between 4.2 million and 6.2 million, depending on who you choose to go with. The Nazis weren't even in total agreement with each other; but most people just go with 6 million for the Jews because that's the number Adolf Eichmann gave after the war. As for the rest who were persecuted and murdered, non-Jews that is, the numbers break down to between 1 and 3 million Soviet POWs; 220,000 to 1.5 million gypsies/Romanis; 200,000 to 250,000 mentally and physically handicapped persons; 80,000 to 200,000 Freemasons; 5,000 to 15,000 homosexuals. The only ones that there's much of any agreement on are the number of Poles and Slavs who were murdered (about 2 million) and Jehovah's Witnesses (between 2,500 and 5,000). Estimates operating off of these numbers claim between 7.7 million and 13.2 million people total were murdered in the Holocaust. But then there's other estimates done by people who use broader definitions and considerations of what constitutes mass murder (Do victims of the typhus epidemic count? What about all the untouched Eastern Europeans that died from starvation, accidents/crossfire, etc?) that claim as many as 21 million were murdered in it. It's from these broad estimates you're getting your 17 million claim from. We honestly don't know what the actual numbers were. Few of the studies that have been done on this subject agree with each other, either. We will never know how many were exterminated. Millions, that's the short answer, an absolutely horrific amount.