[QUOTE=Keegs;29622552]Next to replace all Humvee with Personal Bicycles to save gas.
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The Fins are doing quite a bit to protect Mother Earth while they're shelling the crap out of it.
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Even Hitler cared for the atmosphere.
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[QUOTE=mastermaul;29623277]The Fins are doing quite a bit to protect Mother Earth while they're shelling the crap out of it.
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Even Hitler cared for the atmosphere.
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Germany even had green Anti-tank weaponry.
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[QUOTE=Mr. Someguy;29623429]Germany even had green Anti-tank weaponry.
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I can never think of donkeys the same way after this man...
[QUOTE=CabooseRvB;29621833]They stuck a jet engine on a battle tank.
It's hybrid counterpart would probably just be 20 hummer engines running at once.[/QUOTE]
The Army is actually looking at Hybrid Self Propelled Artillery platforms. Diesel for cruising, Electric for sneaking.
[QUOTE=cardboard_panda;29621765]No point of saying "Eat lead" anymore huh[/QUOTE]
"Eat your vegetables!"
Oh okay, now it's okay to shoot people because you are environmentally friendly with your ammunition.
Why cant they use copper coated tungsten bullets?
[QUOTE=pod;29621975]If you shoot it into the ground, a tree sprouts out three months later.[/QUOTE]
Start gluing seeds onto hollow points. Shoot the Earth back to health.
[QUOTE=ThatHippyMan;29625167]Start gluing seeds onto hollow points. Shoot the Earth back to health.[/QUOTE]
Then that tree will produce ammunition as its fruits. And fire it off once it ripens, causing hysterical misadventures for all within range.
Ohh, and death. That too.
The US can now kick ass and save the world in more ways than one :)
To be honest, bikes in armies are really useful outside of combat scenarios, they keep the soldiers fit while moving them, and saves a fuckton on gas too.
[QUOTE=Tac Error;29622258]Not really. The Ukrainians for example developed their 6TD-2 diesels on the T-80UD to basically match the gas turbine on the T-80U in performance. A diesel can very well "keep up" with a gas turbine.[/QUOTE]
Turbine engines are also highly resistant to mechanical issues.
On the ground, you can also fuel them with virtually any combustible liquid from vodka to jet fuel. This includes Diesel fuel.
So yes, it isn't fuel efficient. But it can also run on virtually anything.
[QUOTE=GunFox;29625822]Turbine engines are also highly resistant to mechanical issues.
On the ground, you can also fuel them with virtually any combustible liquid from vodka to jet fuel. This includes Diesel fuel.
So yes, it isn't fuel efficient. But it can also run on virtually anything.[/QUOTE]
Even though turbines have their own advantages, as a Soviet planner diesels are going to be ultimately better suited for the massive ground force that is the Soviet Army. For the Ukrainians and the Russians, diesels are a better choice than gas turbines.
Here's two quoted passages from Steven J. Zaloga's book "T-80 Standard Tank":
[quote]While offering excellent road speeds, the gas-turbine had a ferocious appetite for fuel, averaging 240 kg/hour compared to 83 kg/hour for a comparable diesel. The other problem that became very apparent was that the ground environment of tanks is far less hospitable than the aerial environment of helicopters, and existing air filtration systems were completely inadequate to protect the gas-turbine engine. Gas-turbines draw in considerably more air during operation than conventional tank diesels, and ingestion of dust can lead to severe erosion of parts and other damage.[/quote]
[quote]Ustinov's views were not universally shared within the Soviet Army and a Defense Ministry study in 1984 concluded that for the next five-year plan, the Soviet Army could purchase [b]2,500[/b] tanks and [b]6,000[/b] 6TD diesel engines, or [b]1,500[/b] tanks and [b]2,000[/b] GTD-1250 turbine engines.[/quote]
[QUOTE=pod;29621975]If you shoot it into the ground, a tree sprouts out three months later.[/QUOTE]
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Y'know, we should have bullets that function similar to RPGs, as in the kind that unleash a stream of hot metal from the tip when they impact. It'd cook the flesh, yes, but it'd cauterise as well, preventing unnecessary blood loss.
[QUOTE=thisispain;29622938]what
he might be alive for 15 seconds but the body will go instantly into shock, i doubt he'll be shooting back at anyone[/QUOTE]
Guy was an army surgeon in Vietnam. He knows what he's talking about.
You always have to be careful when the military starts talking about eco-friendly things.
For example, the CN7 anion range of explosives.
Anyone who knows anything about chemistry would never want to be anywhere near these little critters.
[quote]The anion was described back in 1939, but its salts are “rarely described in the literature”. Yes indeed! People rarely spray hungry mountain lions with Worcestershire sauce, either, come to think of it.
After reading this paper, I’m considering taking my chances with the mountain lions.Well, the ones that they could get data on, that is.The authors report a whole series of salts, X-ray structures and all, which range from the “relatively stable” lithium and sodium derivatives all the way to things that couldn’t even be isolated. In the latter category is the rubidium salt, which they tried to prepare several times. In every case, t[B]he solution detonated spontaneously on standing. And by “spontaneously”, they mean “while standing undisturbed in the dark”[/B], so there’s really just no way to deal with this stuff
The authors went on to investigate the thermal behavior of these wonderful compounds, another risky move. As it turns out, they have calorimetry data on only five of the salts, because when they got to the sodium derivative, “a violent explosion destroyed the setup”[/quote]
Environmentally Friendly Killing Devices
I like it, at least when we shoot someone in the face with one of these babies we won't feel guilty for not buying any carbon credits
So now not only do we remove a persons carbon footprint when we shoot them, we also get rid of that pesky lead trade-off we've been living with since the 70ties :buddy:
[QUOTE=archangel125;29622003]This is actually a good thing - better for the environment than you'd guess. An absolutely absurd volume of bullets are fired every year in Afghanistan - in any prolonged mission, both in training and in combat. Maybe about one in two thousand of those actually hits an enemy combatant.[/QUOTE]
Dumbass. It makes everything worse seeing as the "eco"-ammo reacts with the lead in the "old-fashion"-rounds and fuck up everything. Norwegian soldiers are using "eco"-ammo now and people are getting metal fever and the rounds ruin the rifles. MP5s and HK416s need changed firing pins and roller locks because the rounds fuck them up. The ammo is more friendly to the people shot with it than the people firing it.
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[QUOTE=Honesty;29629571]Dumbass. It makes everything worse seeing as the "eco"-ammo reacts with the lead in the "old-fashion"-rounds and fuck up everything. Norwegian soldiers are using "eco"-ammo now and people are getting metal fever and the rounds ruin the rifles. MP5s and HK416s need changed firing pins and roller locks because the rounds fuck them up. The ammo is more friendly to the people shot with it than the people firing it.[/QUOTE]
:v:
Because obviously those guns were meant to fire those kinds of rounds.
[QUOTE=Swilly;29629790]:v:
Because obviously those guns were meant to fire those kinds of rounds.[/QUOTE]
Because obviously ecological rounds are BS and whoever came up with it should be shot in the knee with such rounds. They cause metal fever, they are loaded at way too high pressure, the new rounds react with the old ones and cause more shit than the old ones would on their own.
Or even better, let's let them try shooting the rounds, because they'd end up with metal fever and a broken rifle/mp/pistol/mg.
[QUOTE=Honesty;29629825]Because obviously ecological rounds are BS and whoever came up with it should be shot in the knee with such rounds. They cause metal fever, they are loaded at way too high pressure, the new rounds react with the old ones and cause more shit than the old ones would on their own.
Or even better, let's let them try shooting the rounds, because they'd end up with metal fever and a broken rifle/mp/pistol/mg.[/QUOTE]
Awww for fuck's sake. You completely missed my point but whatever.
[QUOTE=Swilly;29630317]Awww for fuck's sake. You completely missed my point but whatever.[/QUOTE]
Because an AG3 totally can't shoot any other round than the standard NM60, right?
Well that's why they are testing them, to see if what you claim happens in the guns with the problems.
Like the ballistics experts said there is no perfect bullet.
[QUOTE=Apache249;29621795]They should use DU instead of lead. :v:[/QUOTE]
You seem to have misheard, they said they want to GO GREEN not GLOW GREEN.
Only in America can they be proud of the fact that, while they're brutally slaughtering people, it at least isn't bad for the environment.
Al Gore would be proud.
[QUOTE=V12US;29630809]Only in America can they be proud of the fact that, while they're brutally slaughtering people, it at least isn't bad for the environment.
Al Gore would be proud.[/QUOTE]
It's not new and it's not exclusive to the US and A, Norway started their program years ago
[QUOTE=ironman17;29626429]Y'know, we should have bullets that function similar to RPGs, as in the kind that unleash a stream of hot metal from the tip when they impact. It'd cook the flesh, yes, but it'd cauterise as well, preventing unnecessary blood loss.[/QUOTE]
We have something like that, they're called RDX/incendiary rounds and explode on impact, or if it has a delay switch it can detonate inside the target or on the other side of a wall.
[QUOTE=bravehat;29630927]We have something like that, they're called RDX/incendiary rounds and explode on impact, or if it has a delay switch it can detonate inside the target or on the other side of a wall.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raufoss_Mk_211[/url]
Norwegian superiority
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