• FBI allowed to add GPS device to cars without warrants
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[QUOTE=clockroach;34069199]The FBI investigates criminals. CRIMINALS. That's why they're allowed to do stuff a regular citizen cannot. They have to in order to do their job. It was a cohesive argument, you fuck. An intelligent person would understand it. And semantics is important, you idiot, it's why bills are heavily reviewed and redrafted.[/QUOTE] Someone isn't a criminal until they have been found guilty of a crime
[QUOTE=Trumple;34069191]The negative impact of finding out where you drive oh the horror You aren't important If they collect data it will be aggregate, unless you're special in which case you probably deserve some guy to watch where you drive[/QUOTE] "having someone track my location at all times is something im okay with so you'll just have to deal with it even though you're opposed to it, sorry!!"
[QUOTE=Kopimi;34069318]wow man nice!!!! i never thought of it that way, you've really opened my eyes! your statement isn't ignorant or evasive at all!! [editline]6th January 2012[/editline] saying that fbi agents dont stalk someone as opposed to investigating them is just changing the word to sound more acceptable even though they carry the same implications and effects feel free to address the post i made asking why they cant just get a warrant in the first place, then again i suppose name calling and word twisting is a bit more fun so you'll probably end up sticking to that[/QUOTE] I did address why they didn't get a warrant, and you said "lol I wasn't talking about this case." They didn't need one.
seriously i'm surprised you guys have been this incompetent and unable to form a single logical point that doesn't just involve saying "not a biggie lol"
[QUOTE=Kopimi;34069354]"having someone track my location at all times is something im okay with so you'll just have to deal with it even though you're opposed to it, sorry!!"[/QUOTE] They weren't tracking his location. They tracked his car. [editline]5th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Kopimi;34069361]seriously i'm surprised you guys have been this incompetent and unable to form a single logical point that doesn't just involve saying "not a biggie lol"[/QUOTE] Someone can't read.
[QUOTE=clockroach;34069358]I did address why they didn't get a warrant, and you said "lol I wasn't talking about this case." They didn't need one.[/QUOTE] [quote]Who said they had too weak a case for a warrant? They just didn't need one. [/quote] insane that i missed this nugget of wisdom i finally understand why they dont need a warrant: they dont need a warrant!
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34069339]Someone isn't a criminal until they have been found guilty of a crime[/QUOTE] Well, he was a criminal, so it looks like they were on to something. You prove someone guilty by investigating them.
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34069339]Someone isn't a criminal until they have been found guilty of a crime[/QUOTE] Okay so they investigate potential criminals But it's people who oppose this kind of stuff who help the criminals (or "potential" criminals) It's like we're being PC or something "I know you know I'm a criminal but nuh-uh you can't do anything because you need to do this this this this and this by which time I will have slipped under the radar and be in another state to perform more criminal actions"
[QUOTE=Kopimi;34069375]insane that i missed this nugget of wisdom i finally understand why they dont need a warrant: they dont need a warrant![/QUOTE] Hey man, if you read my posts, I explained that tracking someone's car is equivalent to following someone around in person, and you don't need a warrant to do that.
[QUOTE=codemaster85;34069125]Orwell didn't mean it like that, it meant that the government is spying on EVERYONE. This is only dealing with people of interest that are being investigated.[/QUOTE] Except you guys are saying "yeah you shouldn't need a warrant to bug someone's car" which is a infringement on your privacy, so yeah I'd say it's comparable.
[QUOTE=clockroach;34069389]Hey man, if you read my posts, I explained that tracking someone's car is equivalent to following someone around in person, and you don't need a warrant to do that.[/QUOTE] Hey man, if you read my posts, I explained that what you're describing is illegal because it's "stalking".
[QUOTE=Kopimi;34069361]seriously i'm surprised you guys have been this incompetent and unable to form a single logical point that doesn't just involve saying "not a biggie lol"[/QUOTE] We have pointed it out, you're being a huge arrogant ass and think that the man is trying to come down on you and observe your every move. Till this happens with local cops, or the government does this to everyone, it is not a problem for most American citizens.
also im pretty sure bugging someones car is illegal
[QUOTE=clockroach;34069364]They weren't tracking his location. They tracked his car. [editline]5th January 2012[/editline] Someone can't read.[/QUOTE] This and this
[QUOTE=codemaster85;34069406]We have pointed it out, you're being a huge arrogant ass and think that the man is trying to come down on you and observe your every move. Till this happens with local cops, or the government does this to everyone, it is not a problem for most American citizens.[/QUOTE] "it wont happen to me so it doesnt matter" you've yet to do anything other than this
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[QUOTE=Kopimi;34069402]Hey man, if you read my posts, I explained that what you're describing is illegal because it's "stalking".[/QUOTE] So them following you in a car with no warrant is stalking too. The GPS is basically a technological upgrade from that which is a fuck ton more reliable than the agent's eyes.
[QUOTE=Trumple;34069382]Okay so they investigate potential criminals[/QUOTE] everyone is a potential criminal also known as "innocent".
[QUOTE=Kopimi;34069413]also im pretty sure bugging someones car is illegal[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure shooting someone is illegal Oh wait, cops do it all the time, why is that? Oh that's right! That is how the justice systems works! You can shoot naughty people! In the same way you can track naughty people! I feel we are making progress with you.
[QUOTE=clockroach;34069380]Well, he was a criminal, so it looks like they were on to something. You prove someone guilty by investigating them.[/QUOTE] "i shot a random guy in a crowd but it turns out he was an asshole, no biggie!"
[QUOTE=Zeke129;34069449]everyone is a potential criminal[/QUOTE] Then don't BE a criminal and you're all good
[QUOTE=codemaster85;34069447]So them following you in a car with no warrant is stalking too. The GPS is basically a technological upgrade from that which is a fuck ton more reliable than the agent's eyes.[/QUOTE] uh yeah thats stalking glad you're catching on mate
[QUOTE=Trumple;34069466]Then don't BE a criminal and you're all good[/QUOTE] are you 100% certain you have never violated a law in your life
[QUOTE=Trumple;34069453]I'm pretty sure shooting someone is illegal Oh wait, cops do it all the time, why is that? Oh that's right! That is how the justice systems works! You can shoot naughty people! In the same way you can track naughty people! I feel we are making progress with you.[/QUOTE] the only problem is that in this case you have no proof hes a naughty person! haha! "naughty" is a fun word!!
[QUOTE=Squad;34063148]Except, honestly, what is the big deal about this? If they bug your car nothing will happen if you don't do anything illegal.[/QUOTE] For the record, its that bullshit attitude that lets shit like this happen.
[QUOTE=Kopimi;34069413]also im pretty sure bugging someones car is illegal[/QUOTE] They didn't bug his car. [QUOTE=Kopimi]Hey man, if you read my posts, I explained that what you're describing is illegal because it's "stalking".[/quote] It is not illegal for the FBI to investigate a suspect. That is their job.
[QUOTE=S31-Syntax;34069493]For the record, its that bullshit attitude that lets shit like this happen.[/QUOTE] I'm agreeing with Syntax... [editline]5th January 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=clockroach;34069514] It is not illegal for the FBI to investigate a suspect. That is their job.[/QUOTE] It is if they violate the constitution while doing so
[QUOTE=Kopimi;34069476]uh yeah thats stalking glad you're catching on mate[/QUOTE] Okay okay so lets take it back a step. Let's say the FBI are NEVER allowed to "stalk" anyone. "Right, so we can't follow that suspicious looking guy who just threw a gun out the window, and we can't follow that high profile target who just so happened to commit a serious case of fraud, so we can't actually do some justice so we're actually just useless" "That would be correct" "Then why the fuck are we here"
[QUOTE=Kopimi;34069486]the only problem is that in this case you have no proof hes a naughty person! haha! "naughty" is a fun word!![/QUOTE] Again I have to tell you that [B]They do god damn research before they would bug anything[/B]. Bugging is last resort since it is taking someone's privacy. They even say that on their site.
[QUOTE=Trumple;34069537]Okay okay so lets take it back a step. Let's say the FBI are NEVER allowed to "stalk" anyone. "Right, so we can't follow that suspicious looking guy who just threw a gun out the window, [B]and we can't follow that high profile target who just so happened to commit a serious case of fraud[/B], so we can't actually do some justice so we're actually just useless" "That would be correct" "Then why the fuck are we here"[/QUOTE] i would assume if they weren't functionally retarded they would have a warrant out for the arrest of a man that committed mass fraud but apparently in your universe this is impossible
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