• Texts released today of teen girl manipulating friend into suicide
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[QUOTE=-Ben_Wolfe-;48536858]I understand what you're saying, but I don't believe the bold portion to be accurate. I pity those who have believed this (However, I do acknowledge that it is a case to case basis). People who suffer from depression or mental/emotional illness need help to understand the bigger picture, that there is more to life beyond their problem. At the same time, they have to be willing to accept help. I'm fortunate enough to have various factors and perspectives in my life that I've acquired growing up that allows me to see pass my depression no matter how dark it gets. Understandably, not everyone has the opportunities to see the world like I have. No one should be promising perfection, but as long as someone is alive there is a chance to help yourself and others around you.[/QUOTE] That's what I'm saying as well, it's a case to case basis - not everybody manages to shake off despair or a desperate situation, they see no way out and consequently consider their lives as not worth living any more, and so attempt to take it. It may also happen that any help they get might be inadequate, failing to understand their situation properly, or both, leave alone any number of other variables we could include, but as for the bigger picture, not everybody can understand their place in the scheme of things.
[QUOTE=TomoAlien;48536679]Driving people to suicide? That's a perfectly normal thing to do in this society. And so is exploiting others. [I]At this point I just wonder why won't we just nuke the planet. If we can't save ourselves, then why bother with it all?[/I] Edgy? Sure, it is, but I say it how I see it. Majority of people see mental suffering as something to take advantage of, something to ridicule, something to be entertained by. That's what I've seen with my very eyes ever since I remember, that's what I've felt with my very heart ever since I remember, that's what I've heard with my very ears ever since I remember. And I know that I'm not the only one, I've talked to people who agree with me. This is humanity, and it is a pile of sludge.[/QUOTE] While I couldn't disagree with you more, I don't consider it "edgy" to support the voluntary human extinction movement, because frankly you can find perfectly logical arguments for it. I guess.
[QUOTE=FinalHunter;48537043]Tbh I don't think suicide is the easy way out. There is an immense amount of willpower required to overcome that basic survival instinct and do something you know can/will kill you. I think killing yourself is arguably more difficult than continuing to live in many aspects.[/QUOTE] You're correct. To claim that suicide is "an easy way out" is not only downplaying depression, but also factually wrong.
[QUOTE=DeEz;48537063]You're correct. To claim that suicide is "an easy way out" is not only downplaying depression, but also factually wrong.[/QUOTE] Suicide isn't quite as easy as getting some rope from the hardware store and talking a walk in your favourite park. Getting past the primal urge to stay alive is a massive, soul crushing chore.
I'm glad we have a Doctor here to tell us that not everyone can overcome Depression, I wonder which school he learned that one from?
[QUOTE=TomoAlien;48536679]Driving people to suicide? That's a perfectly normal thing to do in this society. And so is exploiting others. At this point I just wonder why won't we just nuke the planet. If we can't save ourselves, then why bother with it all? Edgy? Sure, it is, but I say it how I see it. Majority of people see mental suffering as something to take advantage of, something to ridicule, something to be entertained by. That's what I've seen with my very eyes ever since I remember, that's what I've felt with my very heart ever since I remember, that's what I've heard with my very ears ever since I remember. And I know that I'm not the only one, I've talked to people who agree with me. This is humanity, and it is a pile of sludge.[/QUOTE] Was Hatred based off you by any chance?
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48537225]I'm glad we have a Doctor here to tell us that not everyone can overcome Depression, I wonder which school he learned that one from?[/QUOTE] Didnt know my career had anything to do with my personal opinions. It's almost as though I was just talking about the topic at hand. Everybody has differing opinions on a subject, a polarizing topic like this doesn't really have any true 'right' or 'wrong' choices to pick, and any scenario when looked at from a differing angle is obviously going to have a differing effect on the way you interpret something, along with your own experiences.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;48536885]While I couldn't disagree with you more, I don't consider it "edgy" to support the voluntary human extinction movement, because frankly you can find perfectly logical arguments for it. I guess.[/QUOTE] Logical perhaps, but it seems bizarre to me. We constantly campaign against making other species extinct, no matter how negative their effects may be, because of the fact that we shouldn't be disrupting the ecosystem. The extinction of humanity [I]would[/I] have effects on the ecosystem, we're not isolated in the food chain. Regardless, it would be impossible to kill all humans, even voluntarily. What about totally separate communities who have never witnessed civilisation as we consider it? They would one day find a huge pile of corpses surrounded by decayed skyscrapers and leaking nuclear reactors. It's perhaps not edgy, but it's silly. Just because humans can do, have done, and will continue to do bad things, doesn't mean we can just ignore the positives. What happened to not tarring everything with the same brush? Every day, humans come closer to being able to map the history- and the future- of our planet. If nothing else, we can at least one day become a bank of information which would be incredibly informative to any other civilisations who discover the Earth. [editline]25th August 2015[/editline] (I know you're not supporting it by the way)
[QUOTE=Elstumpo;48537139]Suicide isn't quite as easy as getting some rope from the hardware store and talking a walk in your favourite park. Getting past the primal urge to stay alive is a massive, soul crushing chore.[/QUOTE] So, you're agreeing with him?.... --------------------------- Honestly, from some of the testimonies earlier in the thread I'm a bit dissapointed, people exclaiming things like "you know" suicide is the only way out of a situation is just disturbing. There is always a reason to continue, to move on to better things. If you can talk yourself into suicide that takes a lot of willpower to overcome the basic primal survival element of humans. You would have to be in a state of severe mental distress to even begin to think and push yourself in that way. Something as simple as not getting into a particular school or not getting a certain job shouldn't be a cause for you going into suicide either, there are always alternate ways to solving a problem, it's never over unless you make it so. I've had my fare of hardships but I never thought the only way out was ending myself, that just sounds like a selfish thing to do to my family and friends to be honest. To have that kind of despair over not having something so extraneous to your life is so unnecessary, so disconnected from the majority of life's enjoyments. If you ever feel depressed about something you can always go get help and receive treatment and support for your problems, suicide is never the answer to these sort of things.
[QUOTE=Water-Marine;48532534]Check out [url=http://www.southcoasttoday.com/article/20150822/NEWS/150829806/-1/breaking_ajax]Part 2.[/url] Seems like she set it up to have her own pity party via Munchausen by Proxy.[/QUOTE] honestly, before this i didn't even really think there was much wrong with what she did this makes it basically pre-meditated murder, though
[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;48537252]Was Hatred based off you by any chance?[/QUOTE] I don't kill people. That's just morally wrong. I am just sick and tired of people being careless and abusing others.
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48537302] I've had my fare of hardships but I never thought the only way out was ending myself, that just sounds like a selfish thing to do to my family and friends to be honest. To have that kind of despair over not having something so extraneous to your life is so unnecessary, so disconnected from the majority of life's enjoyments. If you ever feel depressed about something you can always go get help and receive treatment and support for your problems, suicide is never the answer to these sort of things.[/QUOTE] Using words like selfish, coward, weak or claiming that suicide is the easy, coward's way out shows a lack of understanding on the part of the person making such statements. Putting blame or otherwise being condescending towards the depressed or the suicidee is not only unfair but also counterproductive. Depression in the general sense, is a disease. An affliction, not of the body, but of the mind, and it should be treated as such.
[QUOTE=DeEz;48537505]Using words like selfish, coward, weak or claiming that suicide is the easy, coward's way out shows a lack of understanding on the part of the person making such statements. Putting blame or otherwise being condescending towards the depressed or the suicidee is not only unfair but also counterproductive.[/QUOTE] Let me dissect this post for you to throw away the straw-man and only look at the one thing I said. [QUOTE=DeEz;48537505]Using words like selfish[/QUOTE] I can use words to describe how I feel about a personal experience I have had, there is nothing wrong with relating the feeling that I felt selfish when thinking of killing myself towards my family and friends, I wasn't even talking about anyone else. [QUOTE=DeEz;48537505]Depression in the general sense, is a disease. An affliction, not of the body, but of the mind, and it should be treated as such.[/QUOTE] I don't know where you get off telling somebody who is just expressing their opinion that they have a lack of understanding, that's some serious conceited shit to think you understand someone well enough from a single word in a single forum post to make assumptions like that about them. Despite you only looking at half of my post, within that half you quoted I still said that you can receive help for these sort of things, for you to claim the exact same thing afterwards makes absolutely zero sense. I am advocating for it, I don't even think you comprehended a thing I wrote.
[QUOTE=WarriorWounds;48537585]I don't know where you get off telling somebody who is just expressing their opinion that they have a lack of understanding, that's some serious conceited shit to think you understand someone well enough from a single forum post to make assumptions like that about them.[/QUOTE] If they truly did understand it at a fundamental level I would hope they wouldn't use that understanding to put people down.
[QUOTE=DeEz;48537618]If they truly did understand it at a fundamental level I would hope they wouldn't use that understanding to put people down.[/QUOTE] I wasn't putting anybody down, what are you talking about? Can you make it through the thread without shitting out a pseudo-intellectual straw man every single time?
[QUOTE=Zonesylvania;48537256]Didnt know my career had anything to do with my personal opinions. It's almost as though I was just talking about the topic at hand. Everybody has differing opinions on a subject, a polarizing topic like this doesn't really have any true 'right' or 'wrong' choices to pick, and any scenario when looked at from a differing angle is obviously going to have a differing effect on the way you interpret something, along with your own experiences.[/QUOTE] There's a pretty clear 'right' or 'wrong' answer in regards to Depression and suicide in modern medicine, and it's that Depression is a treatable disease.
[QUOTE=InvaderNouga;48537669]There's a pretty clear 'right' or 'wrong' answer in regards to Depression and suicide in modern medicine, and it's that Depression is a treatable disease.[/QUOTE] Apologize for the late reply; Depression is treatable, sure. But depression isn't the only reason why people take their lives. I'm also sure you know that many people suffering from depressive disorders might be averse to seeking help, or even outright afraid of it, because they do not want to be labeled as crazy people. And even then, in other cases, they might attempt to simply pretend they're not suffering from any mental illness whatsoever. Drug use and substance abuse go hand in hand on a number of occasions as well. The biggest red flag obviously is previous attempts at suicide; they often come hand in hand with an eventual completed suicide later. Though, of course, mental illness is the single highest causative reason behind the commission of suicides. Problem is, we could argue until the cows come home and never come to any real consensus on whether suicide is a cowardly act, or not. Most will view it differently through their own experiences. I'm not saying that any of this is supposed to be an excuse for demeaning or belittling those who attempt or succeed at committing suicide. They require assistance, care, and emotional support from those around them. Talking about suicide and failing to look at it from the point of view of the person who attempted it/succeeded in attempting it is also a common mistake that people tend to make. Suicide tends to happen when people feel so totally hopeless they cant see any other way than to take their lives to end their suffering. It's just that the way I was born and raised taught me that no matter what happens, we have to face our fears and our problems, not run from them.
[QUOTE=Jamsponge;48537261]Logical perhaps, but it seems bizarre to me. We constantly campaign against making other species extinct, no matter how negative their effects may be, because of the fact that we shouldn't be disrupting the ecosystem. The extinction of humanity [I]would[/I] have effects on the ecosystem, we're not isolated in the food chain. Regardless, it would be impossible to kill all humans, even voluntarily. What about totally separate communities who have never witnessed civilisation as we consider it? They would one day find a huge pile of corpses surrounded by decayed skyscrapers and leaking nuclear reactors. It's perhaps not edgy, but it's silly. Just because humans can do, have done, and will continue to do bad things, doesn't mean we can just ignore the positives. What happened to not tarring everything with the same brush? Every day, humans come closer to being able to map the history- and the future- of our planet. [I]If nothing else, we can at least one day become a bank of information which would be incredibly informative to any other civilisations who discover the Earth.[/I][/QUOTE] And until what end..? But indeed, the voluntary extinction thing is pretty unrealistic/impossible, and I hope too much energy and resources isn't put into that (wacky) movement.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;48538804]And until what end..? But indeed, the voluntary extinction thing is pretty unrealistic/impossible, and I hope too much energy and resources isn't put into that (wacky) movement.[/QUOTE] The way I see it, the main reason to take care of other species is to ensure that humanity can evolve in a stable and balanced environment. Other species come and go, that's how nature work, but never before has any other species attained sentience and there's no way to be sure if another will if we eventually go extinct, so we should in all logic be the top priority.
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