Wall street protests continue, 80+ protestors arrested - Polidicks

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;32479596] Police come and say "You can't block traffic, you all have to go." The crowd, unfortunately is much like yourself and reply "FUCK THE PIGS" and proceed to become belligerent "YOU CAN'T TELL US NOT TO PROTEST ITS OUR RIGHT"][/QUOTE] Yes that's called civil disobedience and I wholeheartedly support it Western society needs huge amounts more of it

[QUOTE=RopaDope;32479711]Because cops always incite something without breaking the law. A bunch of college students that just learned their rights are pretty volatile group together.[/QUOTE] They obviously didn't learn their rights, otherwise they would not have been arrested. It was not a legal protest.

Funny how most of these protesters are college students. That kinda tells you something...

[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;32483450]Funny how most of these protesters are college students. That kinda tells you something...[/QUOTE] what's your point [editline]25th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=HolyCrusade;32483427]They obviously didn't learn their rights, otherwise they would not have been arrested. It was not a legal protest.[/QUOTE] yes, because the police have never violated anyone's rights before

[QUOTE=JDK721;32483492]what's your point [editline]25th September 2011[/editline] yes, because the police have never violated anyone's rights before[/QUOTE] oh thats right, because of a few bad apples, the police ALWAYS violate others rights fuck the police, damn pigs. our society would be better without any law enforcement

[QUOTE=HolyCrusade;32483557]oh thats right, because of a few bad apples, the police ALWAYS violate others rights fuck the police, damn pigs. our society would be better without any law enforcement[/QUOTE] nice try

What try? People seem to forget that the United States of America has 300 million people. There 800,000 members of law enforcement. There are going to be some bad ones in there. And yet you seem to have your mind manipulated by the media to think that all cops are dogs and will go out of their way to violate your rights. Every mention of police brutality in the news is always greeted with "fucking cops" or "this is why our America is so terrible". Somehow people fail to realize just how god damned many officers of the law there are in the country. The police are not out to get you. It is their job to uphold the law and that is what they will do. If you fail to follow the law, that is your own damn fault. You can't expect to change anything in today's society by holding aggressive, illegal protests in one of the busiest, most congested locations on the planet.

The protest doesn't seem that aggressive. I don't know why people are calling it aggressive when we had the london riots a couple months back

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32483422]Yes that's called civil disobedience and I wholeheartedly support it Western society needs huge amounts more of it[/QUOTE] If the road I took to work everyday was blocked by a hundred protesters one day out of the blue I would be pissed. I'd end up being late. They can be supporting gay marriage, or something else I support but it doesn't mean they should disrupt my life for doing absolutely nothing wrong. [editline]26th September 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lambeth;32483790]The protest doesn't seem that aggressive. I don't know why people are calling it aggressive when we had the london riots a couple months back[/QUOTE] The London Riots were riots. This was a peaceful assembly that turned belligerent. The point of the matter is if whoever led this protest had decided to do the responsible thing and ask permission or set something up ahead of time these problems would have likely never happened. You ever notice how Westboro Church Protests never turn into riots? Because the church informs the town or city before hand. Even though EVERYONE hates them and the idea of them picketing a Soldier's funeral is absolutely disgusting they let them do it because they have a right to. They just send a couple of cops because obviously protesting a soldiers funeral is a good way to get your head kicked in.

Also the WBC have a handful of very competent lawyers in their fold.

[QUOTE=Jim_Riley;32483450]Funny how most of these protesters are college students. [b]That kinda tells you something...[/b][/QUOTE] That they're educated?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32485380]That they're educated?[/QUOTE] Don't be silly, it tells you they're communists!

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;32475143]Protip: If you don't want your protest to be broken up by the police, inform City Hall or your local municipal authority that you're doing it in advance, when and where. Typically they like to know this information so they can redirect traffic and they'll usually send a police officer or two to watch over and make sure nothing turns violent, break up arguments and so on. The reason most of these protests are broken up are because they're random, disrupt traffic, close sidewalks and become aggressive sometimes. But I hate how people scream about treading on our rights and arresting people like it's '1984' when if they had done the responsible thing they would be picketing to their hearts content. The arrests were all for disorderly conduct anyway.[/QUOTE] Pretty much this. Hell you can even show your tits legally, as long as it is in protest. Might not stop the officers from placing you under arrest or detaining you, but you can't be tried or sent to jail for it, as long as it was in protest

It tells you that it was a quick idea without planning or information and this is not how you change things. Change and real actions need hard work and planning not some college students thinking it "ould be nice to do something for once" By this kind of unprofessional behaviour you are doing more harm to your point than good.

[QUOTE=Lambeth;32485200]Also the WBC have a handful of very competent lawyers in their fold.[/QUOTE] Good job ignoring everything I said and instead posting an irrelevant fact. The Lawyers don't prevent grieving families from attacking the WBC protests. The Police do.

[QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;32479596]200 People RANDOMLY show up at Wall-Street in New York City one of the most congested places in the world where traffic is insane on a good day. Now we've got people spilling into the streets and blocking up the sidewalks.[/quote] Entirely not true. I've been down there on a number of occasions. It's in an area directly next to or in Bowling green Plaza. Most of the area is back roads near the water, half of the roads are blocked off by these metal blockades built directly into the ground. Any person whose been there has seen them. [img]http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3175/2680745694_0cc9063aea.jpg[/img] The area also has lots of side roads that let you go around. At most they block Wall St. The streets don't have too many cars going through it, except in morning, but most people who work in that area are rather rich so they take the numerous parking garages in the area. There's zero possibility to park on the side of the street in that area, so people aren't really flowing through there at such a terrible level. And lets face it, traffic in Manhattan is ALWAYS congested. And one final thing, the NYPD has a tiny permanent 'fortress' built around that building which cuts off half the street. Downtown Manhattan towards the water has the second least amount of traffic on the island, I doubt the protests are SO crippling to traffic it'll damage anything extensively. The local government sliced off half of Times Square, completely blocking traffic. It barely did anything. Now Times Square IS the highest traffic point in the entire city. Lets look at the sheer damage Wall Street has done to the world. It NEEDS to be stood up against. I really can't sympathise with some stock broker trying to drive down Wall St and having to wait 5 extra minutes when people are protesting the Stock Exchange. [quote]The crowd, unfortunately is much like yourself and reply "FUCK THE PIGS" and proceed to become belligerent "YOU CAN'T TELL US NOT TO PROTEST ITS OUR RIGHT" and eventually one of them does something stupid, yells at a cop, hits or makes a move for him. Is detained, arrested, whatever. This incites the rest of them as you can see in the video "POLICE BRUTALITY POLICE BRUTALITY" and it gets out of hand from than on out.[/quote] I haven't been down there, so I can't say for sure their attitude. But this is an entirely ridiculous assertion about it. Obviously you dislike the concept of people protesting or protesting about Wall St. But even that bias can't stop you from acknowledging the simple fact this is OVERLY SIMPLIFIED. [quote]If everyone was just polite to one another none of these things would ever happen. I mean, come on. Someone gets arrested and all the sudden it's police brutality? Someone punches a cop and they push him down and it's police brutality? They seem to be abusing their rights more than the cops are abusing them.[/quote] There have been many cases of police restraining or taking down people in this protest who were barely doing anything. One guy was playing a conga or something, they didn't want him too, he refused and they threw him to the ground, restraining his neck with their knee. Or police grabbing or pushing people who are taking pictures of them. (Which brings up the question of why American police are so deathly afraid of cameras) The police ARE abusing people, you need to be blind not to at least see it. [QUOTE=CodeMonkey3;32487264]The Lawyers don't prevent grieving families from attacking the WBC protests. The Police do.[/QUOTE] A lot of places they protest are small towns. Word will spread quickly, even if they sprang from the ground moments into the event or whatever, the police will catch wind of it. And vice versa, a busy city will also receive word. There have been moments where they are absolutely swarmed by people and have had their windows broken in. It's on youtube. Now, if you will, can you please provide a source that WBC tells the cities or towns they protest they're going to do it? [QUOTE=HolyCrusade;32483427]They obviously didn't learn their rights, otherwise they would not have been arrested. It was not a legal protest.[/QUOTE] As much as I would like to go into detail about how your ultra-conservative posting habits disturbingly coincides with your notion that this peaceful protest is "not a legal protest", I would go on for a while. Now, there are no real subtle restrictions in the constitution about protesting. It's all apparent, if you flat out riot, then shit is wrong. But I doubt Thomas Jefferson or someone like him who supported dissent would stop a peaceful protest because there's a slight possibility of blocking traffic or one or two people will get rowdy. Or they didn't sign paperwork to get clearance to do protesting which is something Codemonkey is seemingly implying which is pretty stupid.

[QUOTE=SoaringScout;32477739]God you sound like those angry dumbass teenagers that constantly talk about how terrible the government is.[/QUOTE] You sound like a upright young republican ready to defend god and country.

Reminds me of Capitalism: A Love Story

[QUOTE=SoaringScout;32477739]God you sound like those angry dumbass teenagers that constantly talk about how terrible the government is.[/QUOTE] Ha. Cause the American government isn't terrible.

[QUOTE=FPChris;32488525]Ha. Cause the American government isn't terrible.[/QUOTE] Considering the fact that you haven't been shot for criticizing it, I'd say the American government is pretty good.

[QUOTE=IKTM;32490103]Considering the fact that you haven't been shot for criticizing it, I'd say the American government is pretty good.[/QUOTE] That's not the only qualification for being a good government; I mean, it certainly matters. Oh and yeah Kent State.

I was watching the live stream and all I saw was a bunch of cunts trying to hit the police, fuck all what your "fighting" for , Just live your life and be glad life is as easy as it is. here comes the boxes from armchair commandos.

[QUOTE=skeligandrew;32493542]I was watching the live stream and all I saw was a bunch of cunts trying to hit the police, fuck all what your "fighting" for , Just live your life and be glad life is as easy as it is. There are literally hundreds of problems I can think of in between. here comes the boxes from armchair commandos.[/QUOTE] Apathy doesn't fix problems. And for many people, life isn't as "easy as it is". [editline]26th September 2011[/editline] And I'll rate you dumb, not because I'm an "armchair commando", a gross misuse of the word, but because you are, in fact, what the rating implies.

You protesters seem to get your self so involved with being in a group that actually likes you you lose sight of what you are actually doing. You want to hold signs up and make a lot of noise in public? go for it But as soon as you start violence and blocking peoples path, YOU'RE the ones who are the real problem.

I met one of the protestors who was starting the whole movement about a month ago. He was complaining that his dad turned off the internet. And why? "Just because he was watching a movie on netflix and I turned it off while he was in the bathroom, put a documentary on socialism and told him to LEARN!" An adult getting his internet cut off by his dad... I used to be quite into the origins of the whole anonops, lulzsec and now whole global revolution thing, not as a member but always as an observer, so I wouldn't have to rely on the news to tell me what's going on and I could know what was really going on and what was meant to happen. What I saw in all of those "revolution" movements were a few well intentioned people, who hoarded way too many people, and between those, too many idiots who just want a reason to scream at something. In this wall street thing their main complaint is that it's not a "trending tweet" and it's "not getting enough attention". By now they are purposely provoking the police and as soon as one of them reacted to being thrown stuff at, they made sure to flood twitter with video links going POLICE ABUSE! I'm not on my computer right now but I could find the links to the whole twitter stuff and IRC channels they use if anyone has any interest in this. It was a lifestyle that I personally lived for around two weeks, but I realized how stupid it was and it needed to stop. Most people don't, and that's why you might see a lot of hackers being arrested recently, including former lulzsec members. They do it all for the thrill and then try to get away with protest claims, completely destroying the credibility of anyone who is actually protesting. Enough blabbering though, it just has been a while since I last posted on facepunch and I thought I'd share some "insider" info from these recent events.

Also it makes me laugh when I see some guy trying to kick a police officer back and when he gets pinned to the ground all the bitches come over with a camera stick it in his face and act like he is the one who's done nothing wrong. I'm not even going to try and word it well, Your protests are stupid, stop being butthurt.

[QUOTE=skeligandrew;32494699]You protesters seem to get your self so involved with being in a group that actually likes you you lose sight of what you are actually doing. You want to hold signs up and make a lot of noise in public? go for it But as soon as you start violence and blocking peoples path, YOU'RE the ones who are the real problem.[/QUOTE] All that needs to happen is that one spark and suddenly you've a ball of fire.

"THE YOUTH IN REVOLT! AGES 11, 13, 15.CAME ON THEIR OWN. PARENTS ARE CONSERVATIVES. #SOUTHSIDE MADE #OCCUPYCHI [url]http://t.co/AXZdcy66[/url] [url]http://twitter.com/#!/OccupyChicago/status/118438300922019842[/url] " This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. What started as an interesting anti-opression movement turned into THIS. They are proud that they have freaking 11 year olds running away from their "conservative parents". So just how much these preadolescents know about economy and politics to honestly know what they are protesting for? And yes, all of Chicago. They will probably try to occupy the US or something soon, because that will absolutely make the government rethink it's "conservative ways" and become less corrupt somehow.

[QUOTE=Skypilot2;32495165]"THE YOUTH IN REVOLT! AGES 11, 13, 15.CAME ON THEIR OWN. PARENTS ARE CONSERVATIVES. #SOUTHSIDE MADE #OCCUPYCHI [url]http://t.co/AXZdcy66[/url] http://twitter.com/#!/OccupyChicago/status/118438300922019842" This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. What started as an interesting anti-opression movement turned into THIS. They are proud that they have freaking 11 year olds running away from their "conservative parents". So just how much these preadolescents know about economy and politics to honestly know what they are protesting for?[/QUOTE] The kids are just there bcuz dey kn0 how 2 internet. Think they are part of something.

[QUOTE=SoaringScout;32477739]God you sound like those angry dumbass teenagers that constantly talk about how terrible the government is.[/QUOTE] The angry teenage dumbasses that have no jobs, a bleak future, and tons of student debt? Total dumbasses. No reason to be angry either. [editline]26th September 2011[/editline] I've said this before, claiming that youth have no reason to be angry is bullshit, even if they spout babble when they're asked why. Let's have an example. I am a middle class kid, two remarried parents, I spend the majority of my time at my mother's. I grew up going to catholic school, family always had decent money, not amazing but decent. So here I am 17 years old a senior in highschool. I'm going to be going to college next year.... or am I? My mother and stepfather are two weeks from being layed off. 13 job applications later I have no responses. So... I somehow have to cobble together the cash to pay for college, or endebt myself for YEARS, and still probably not be able to find a job. If I don't go to college guess what? I have no job, and when I finally get one I'll make around half what I'd get otherwise. I want to try to change how all this works? I can't. There are two deeply entrenched parties and it's basically impossible for anyone in their 20s without an education or any job experience to get elected to office. I'm pretty sure those of you that are saying "LOLDUMNOREASON" are 15 or privileged. Just wait until reality hits your ass.