Anders Behring Breivik gets his own prison psych ward; will have friends over to play chess and hock
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[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36540895]So a human life is equal to a dollar amount that which if goes higher than needed, should be dealt with via execution?[/QUOTE]
No, a human life is worth a human life. Don't take anothers life.
This should be a pretty simple statement.
[QUOTE=ForestRaptor;36539843]That sounds like a pretty shitty job.[/QUOTE]
Hell, I'd find it interesting.
Might get boring after a while, but it would be a cool experience to observe and meet a psychopath like him.
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;36540356]The death penalty is one of the few things where I think slippery slope applies. Don't let the government execute people.[/QUOTE]
Eh, I think some people genuinely deserve to die. This being a good example of when someone does. You can rehabilitate all you want, but sometimes people don't deserve it.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;36540917]No it won't. Capital punishment has been around it Texas for the longest time and I have yet to see cops burst down my door and arrest me for some bogus charge and kill me.[/QUOTE]
These kind of arguments get the discussion nowhere. Death penalty is bad hmkay? Just because something doesn't happen to you doesn't mean it doesn't happen to others. For me the biggest reason against the death penalty is that it purely has the potential of applying an irreversible punishment to an innocent person. If that ever happens, the justice system has failed as a whole.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36540895]So a human life is equal to a dollar amount that which if goes higher than needed, should be dealt with via execution?
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You're missing my point, this man is a dangerous mass murderer, why go to all this cost and effort to prevent him from killing again when you can just give him one shot and end it?
[QUOTE=Loriborn;36540917]No it won't. Capital punishment has been around it Texas for the longest time and I have yet to see cops burst down my door and arrest me for some bogus charge and kill me.[/QUOTE]
What the fuck. Are you saying that people haven't been wrongly executed? There was a HUGE public outcry last year from that black man being executed. Forgot his name.
[QUOTE=NoNameForEvil;36540929]Giving people nice lives in prison is not a good form of rehabilitation, it doesn't deter them from a life of crime; if there's no actual penalty to committing crimes, then what reason is there to not commit them?[/QUOTE]
Actually it still punishes them. They don't have freedom anymore, but it doesn't mean they can't entertain themselves despite of freedom. It just shows them society is willing to make them good citizens rather than consider them pure scum and throw them away never to look at them again.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;36540992]Uh no, he's still a human just like you or me.[/QUOTE]
You and I haven't killed 77 people, including children? You all refuse to look at humans more than just "As Humans". We're not all the same, and some of deserve punishments that other people may not.
You can look at stats too, I don't have any numbers here but they just show that these tactics work when it comes to rehabilitation and punishment.
[QUOTE=Chicken_Chaser;36540997]What the fuck. Are you saying that people haven't been wrongly executed? There was a HUGE public outcry last year from that black man being executed. Forgot his name.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying executions don't sometimes occur wrongly, but if the evidence is undeniable like in this case, and the crime fits, then so does the punishment.
[QUOTE=Clavus;36540979]These kind of arguments get the discussion nowhere. Death penalty is bad hmkay?[/QUOTE]
Neither do these.
People will have different stances on things because of predetermined reasons.
Some favor the death penalty as it is a quick, effective means of dealing punishment, closure, and government intervention in serious crimes. Others oppose it because the evidence sometimes has been shit, circumstantial, or sometimes falsified, though now this can be less likely with modern forensics. Others oppose it for the want of wanting to preserve life, though honestly some people should not live. Murderers, dictators, tyrants, evil men of all creeds and colors and faiths.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;36541031]I'm not saying executions don't sometimes occur wrongly, but if the evidence is undeniable like in this case, and the crime fits, then so does the punishment.[/QUOTE]
Coolio but then there will be the times it doesn't fit. History says so. Solution? Don't let the government execute people. If he was to be executed it would be at that day on that island by the hands of someone there.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;36540932]It's not two people, it's an entire population of people. That one person is no longer a human after he committed those crimes. He no longer deserves the happiness anyway. Besides, he'll be dead, he has no way to be happy or sad.[/QUOTE]
Two people, a thousand people, a nation, the actual size is irrelevant so long as it's greater than one person.
And people deciding to kill someone because everyone would simply be "happier" is nothing more than a tyranny of the majority.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;36541048]That still doesn't make him any less of a human than you.
Also who are you to say some deserve punishments and some do not? Seems to me like you're drawing some arbitrary line based on emotions here, pal.[/QUOTE]
I have to disagree, I think there are some things that do make people "sub-human", I'd say having nothing wrong with killing 77 people, some as young as 14, for no reason, counts.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36541063]And people deciding to kill someone because everyone would simply be "happier" is nothing more than a tyranny of the majority.[/QUOTE]
I'm sure the victim's families would disagree, but keep telling yourself that.
I wouldn't execute him, but I wouldn't give him 'friends' to play hockey with either. Just keep him in a secure room away from the other prisoners, but with the same conditions they have instead of those stupid luxuries.
[QUOTE=Fenderson;36541083]I'm sure the victim's families would disagree, but keep telling yourself that.[/QUOTE]Have you even bothered to read the dozens of previous threads on the subject? Norwegians calling for his death are in a absolutely minuscule minority. It's mostly Americans who are saying he should be executed.
[QUOTE=Fenderson;36541083]I'm sure the victim's families would disagree, but keep telling yourself that.[/QUOTE]
Well thank god that law is run on rationality and not how people feel at the time.
They haven't a say regardless.
Where is that phrase...."Justice is blind", was it?
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36541063]Two people, a thousand people, a nation, the actual size is irrelevant so long as it's greater than one person.
And people deciding to kill someone because everyone would simply be "happier" is nothing more than a tyranny of the majority.[/QUOTE]
That's just it, he's not going to be unhappy. He's going to be [b]dead.[/b] Incapable of feeling pain or unhappiness. If anything, that's better than forcing him back into a population that hates him.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;36541019]You and I haven't killed 77 people, including children? You all refuse to look at humans more than just "As Humans". We're not all the same, and some of deserve punishments that other people may not.[/QUOTE]
You still have human rights, regardless of what you've done. You can't start taking them away from certain groups of people, because that starts you on the slippery slope towards removing them from everyone, in the name of protecting people.
And I don't believe the death penalty is right either. You condemn someone for making the decision to end someone's life, so where do you get the moral right to do the same without being a massive hypocrite?
[QUOTE=Loriborn;36541136]That's just it, he's not going to be unhappy. He's going to be [b]dead.[/b] Incapable of feeling pain or unhappiness. If anything, that's better than forcing him back into a population that hates him.[/QUOTE]
If he wants to die that's his decision not yours unless you were there and decided to put a stop to what was going on.
[QUOTE=Camundongo;36541145]You still have human rights, regardless of what you've done. You can't start taking them away from certain groups of people, because that starts you on the slippery slope towards removing them from everyone, in the name of protecting people.
And I don't believe the death penalty is right either. You condemn someone for making the decision to end someone's life, so where do you get the moral right to do the same without being a massive hypocrite?[/QUOTE]Additionally on a more practical level, if it turns out someone fucked up somewhere and got an innocent man convicted, it's easier to set right a wrongly imprisoned person than a wrongly executed one. There have been multiple cases of the wrong person being put on death row and some executed in the US, it's quite frankly abhorrent.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;36541113]Well thank god that law is run on rationality and not how people feel at the time.
They haven't a say regardless.
Where is that phrase...."Justice is blind", was it?[/QUOTE]
Blind Justice is the worst concept ever. If you apply the same punishment to everybody without looking at motives or the situation, you condemn a lot of people to harsher punishments than they deserve. Blind Justice is what puts (male) teenagers who exchange nude pictures on a sex offenders list. Blind Justice is what sends people who kill in self defense in jail for the same duration as murderers.
[QUOTE=Marbalo;36541259]Add to this the fact that capital punishment is not a crime deterrent, which makes it completely pointless and something that only exists to cater to bloodthirsty people.[/QUOTE]
We're not talking about capital punishment in general, we're talking about Breivik here.
[QUOTE=Fenderson;36541308]We're not talking about capital punishment in general, we're talking about Breivik here.[/QUOTE]
Capital punishment for Breivik is governed by capital punishment in general.
[QUOTE=Kendra;36539561]This is better life than most University students have. :v:[/QUOTE]
University students still have their freedom. Seen those rehab islands that look like holiday resorts where they put murderers and rapists? Yet despite it looking so perfect, they prefer their freedom.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;36539838]Give people a sense of justice and ensure this guy doesn't have the ability to continue killing people. I hate the death penalty, but it's really hard to just sit here and say "Respect the killer's rights" when he obviously did not when he murdered countless innocent people. The life he'll be living is actually [B]better[/B] than my own, and he killed people.[/QUOTE]
Revenge is not justice.
[QUOTE=Fenderson;36539792]This guy is what the death penalty should reserved for, undoubtable atrocities and whatnot. I'm sure the victim's families would love to watch Anders fry.[/QUOTE]
The wishes of the families are irrelevant here. The justice system is there to make sure a lawful punishment is carried out.
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;36540129]People say many things. This doesn't change the fact he killed 77 people. He probably said the shit to try and appear insane. Fuck him he's human waste and your defending his mental state. His mental state no matter how you try to reason it is incompatible with society, and it's best considering what he did to have him executed.[/QUOTE]
How do you know what his mental state will be in ten years? Twenty?
[QUOTE=purvisdavid1;36540874]No he doesn't. You give up your life the instant you take the life of your fellow species.
Especially after you slay 77 members of your species.
He had rights to life, liberty, property, and travel like all free men of this world and he chose to use them to take away those 4 rights from people. 77 People.
Talk about rights and wrongs, the right thing to do is kill him for his wrongs.[/QUOTE]
The point of human rights is that you can't lose them. Killing people does not make you non-human.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;36540917]No it won't. Capital punishment has been around it Texas for the longest time and I have yet to see cops burst down my door and arrest me for some bogus charge and kill me.[/QUOTE]
Yet capital punishment has gotten innocent people killed.
I couldn't care about this scumbag's life. Sitting in prison and getting executed are both good enough in my eyes.
Now, whatever the case, this guy is getting above average treatment compared to other prisoners. That's utterly wrong.
[QUOTE=Loriborn;36541298]Blind Justice is the worst concept ever. If you apply the same punishment to everybody without looking at motives or the situation, you condemn a lot of people to harsher punishments than they deserve. Blind Justice is what puts (male) teenagers who exchange nude pictures on a sex offenders list. Blind Justice is what sends people who kill in self defense in jail for the same duration as murderers.[/QUOTE]
Blind justice isn't about uniform punishments for every kind of offender, it's about permitting justice to be governed by rationality instead of the emotional desire at the time.
Could someone kindly explain me the ideologies behind defending the rights of a person who has excessively violated the rights of other people? Note, I'm not trying to be offensive, just looking for answers.
[QUOTE=ForestRaptor;36541597]Could someone kindly explain me the ideologies behind defending the rights of a person who has excessively violated the rights of other people? Note, I'm not trying to be offensive, just looking for answers.[/QUOTE]
Rights are universal and unalienable. There is no possible way you can lose them. Even if you deny others them, they still remain universal and unalienable.
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