Someone craps on Feminist Frequency with a bunch of phamplets at E3 - Polidicks

[QUOTE=draugur;48043301]It's an old name kept since the original feminist movement in the 60's and shit mate. Call it what you want, but inequality hurts men and women equally, that's one of few ways we're actually equal in this world at this point.[/QUOTE] I know, and if I recall some of the old school feminists have actually called the new wave feminists out on their bullshit and been called traitors for it. [QUOTE=draugur;48043314]As it is often said, "I'm not racist but..." is a phrase often uttered by racists themselves.[/QUOTE] I'm not sure if that was towards me or towards them. I'm just confused about the whole situation. I don't want people to be angry. I want people to be able to work together under one banner towards the common goal of universal equality without it being undermined by interests. I want humanity at large to become something better. The drive to see it happen and to spread a word that humanity can become something better is a large part of what is keeping me going. I want to see humans rise to be able to embody the philosophical ubermenschen. It's my raison d'etre.

[QUOTE=CapellanCitizen;48043213]This is the definition in a sociological context, and I'm sure if you go to university/college, the fact that the academic/sociological definition and the common definition are different will be explained along with the definition. Hell my 8th grade social studies class explained how racism technically refers to (in effect) "prejudice+power", and also explained how this is not the common definition of racism. If my Junior High could do it, I don't doubt that higher education can and does do it too. -snip stupid line-[/QUOTE] I can't definitively say what most people coming out of the humanities believe because I simply don't have any real evidence for it, but based on my personal experience of both taking humanities classes in a secular university and talking with humanities graduates, they seem to agree with the so called 'academic' definition in contradiction to the 'common use' definition. I've had many people argue that the old common definition is wrong and, ideally, should be totally replaced with the new academic definition. In short, they seem to argue that the academic definition is a replacement, not an alternative, to the common use definition.

[QUOTE=Grimhound;48043315]I know, and if I recall some of the old school feminists have actually called the new wave feminists out on their bullshit and been called traitors for it. I'm not sure if that was towards me or towards them. I'm just confused about the whole situation. I don't want people to be angry. I want people to be able to work together under one banner towards the common goal of universal equality without it being undermined by interests. I want humanity at large to become something better. The drive to see it happen and to spread a word that humanity can become something better is a large part of what is keeping me going. I want to see humans rise to be able to embody the philosophical ubermensch. It's my raison d'etre.[/QUOTE] Toward them, sorry if that wasn't clear. They're basically saying "I'm not sexist, but.." would be the thing I should have added to that post. My bad mate.

[QUOTE=sgman91;48043319]I can't definitively say what most people coming out of the humanities believe because I simply don't have any real evidence for it, but based on my personal experience of both taking humanities classes in a secular university and talking with humanities graduates, they seem to agree with the so called 'academic' definition in contradiction to the 'common use' definition. I've had many people argue that the old common definition is wrong and, ideally, should be totally replaced with the new academic definition. In short, they seem to argue that the academic definition is a replacement, not an alternative, to the common use definition.[/QUOTE] That's ridiculous. For one the belief that "Racism = Prejudice + Power" or "Sexism = Prejudice + Power" is so blind as to how 'power' in society actually works that it beggars belief. Power isn't something that those on the top force down onto those below them, power is the societal norms practised and experienced by everyone, everyone has social pressure applied to them from everyone they interact with and apply social pressure on everyone they interact with. For another, you can't just fucking hijack a word used by people with an established and widely understood definition and say "Fuck it, we're making up a new meaning to justify our beliefs." Racism is the belief that some races are inherently better or worse than others, it doesn't even mean you think they're inferior or that you hate them. This shit is the reason so many people only have respect for the hard sciences. At least there you usually can't just make up bullshit and need something to back up what you say.

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;48043236]Why is it every time you argue with anyone you start projecting extremes like "Liberal academia brainwashing conspiciry" and "SJW ruining everything conspiracy". How the fuck did you get that from the fact "Student is taught something, takes schools word" Like holy fuck I would hope so, am I supposed to pay for a school to teach me bullshit and lies all while trying to disagree with everything? Why would I expect that and not expect to learn new things?[/QUOTE] It's not even an academic/liberal thing. The whole international left throughout history has always made this distinction. In the 60s they supported black nationalism as progressive but condemned white nationalism as reactionary, the USSR had a women's day but not a day for men, Marx supported the north against the south, etc. It has everything to do with what is progressive and what is something entrenched and trying to preserve the status quo (reactionary). There's a reason why feminism, LGBT, environmentalism, anti-racism, anti-colonial movements, anti-globalization ideas, etc. all find themselves on the left. That's why nobody with a brain will ever equate x example of individual racism/sexism against men and whites with something systemic, and the victim mentality of the former is [b]hilarious[/b] and deserves to be mocked [i]relentlessly[/i].

[QUOTE=HoodedSniper;48042946]I think most people you see supporting her or defending her on the internet hardly even follow her. It just blows my mind how you wouldnt be able to see how fucked and wrong she is on pretty much everything. You would have to be brain dead not to see through her bullshit at this point. Like if you actually followed her and not just got all your information from news sites and blogs you can figure out pretty quickly she just does this for money, knows NOTHING about video games at all, and is a pretty hateful person. All you need to do is watch her videos and follow the fem freq twitter to see how absurd she is. But I think most people just defend her because of whatever reason, maybe it makes them feel like they are good and did something, I dunno. How can anyone see this and ACTUALLY agree with it? I dont understand. [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/cDpaUZ9.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/pFsUupa.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Mio Akiyama;48043418][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/pFsUupa.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] jews had no nation for a very long time, and as a result were typically left-wing. false equivalency.

[QUOTE=Conscript;48043436]jews had no nation for a very long time, and as a result were typically left-wing. false equivalency.[/QUOTE] I'll take Missing The Point for 500, Alex.

[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;48043404]That's ridiculous. For one the belief that "Racism = Prejudice + Power" or "Sexism = Prejudice + Power" is so blind as to how 'power' in society actually works that it beggars belief. Power isn't something that those on the top force down onto those below them, power is the societal norms practised and experienced by everyone, everyone has social pressure applied to them from everyone they interact with and apply social pressure on everyone they interact with. For another, you can't just fucking hijack a word used by people with an established and widely understood definition and say "Fuck it, we're making up a new meaning to justify our beliefs." Racism is the belief that some races are inherently better or worse than others, it doesn't even mean you think they're inferior or that you hate them. This shit is the reason so many people only have respect for the hard sciences. At least there you usually can't just make up bullshit and need something to back up what you say.[/QUOTE] This is why I just find it so stupid to excuse it because its taught "academically" as if academics cant be completely wrong at times, such as this case of the definition of sexism. How can you have this academic version explained to you and honestly think "Yeah this is right" when the second its put into practice it can quickly become sexist itself.

[QUOTE=draugur;48043446]I'll take Missing The Point for 500, Alex.[/QUOTE] go ahead, prove me wrong. tell me how jews were so enfranchised, a dominant group, and not a marginalized one that subsequently, as was the case in history, was often left wing. unless this sort of post is all you're good for. in which case, you can stay quiet and rate dumb, nobody cares.

[QUOTE=Conscript;48043436]jews had no nation for a very long time, and as a result were typically left-wing. false equivalency.[/QUOTE] We should ban the Israeli flag. For many people it represents apartheid. [editline]24th June 2015[/editline] What does many jews being left wing have to do with anything at all? In general they're quite successful and "Power+privilege" logic means that we can't be racist against them.

[QUOTE=Rossy167;48042331]This kind of shit slingy, I'd rather we fight Sarkessian's bullshit with reasoned arguments and logic in public and make the dumb jokes in private not the other way around.[/QUOTE] What needs to happen is someone needs to invite her onto an interview, and completely disprove her points with the contradictory evidence that she herself provides. [t]http://i.imgur.com/iyDDk.jpg[/t] Take a good look at that pile of games that she owns (and probably bought in bulk just for this photo). Notice anything off in that photo? There are games in there that she has notably criticized. She was making a big fuss over Fallout 4 when it was revealed. Oh hey, Fallout 3 and New Vegas are in that pile. Isn't that kind of off? Oh hey, there's also Mortal Kombat 9. Full of gore and violence, and skimpily dressed women. And oh hey, Grand Theft Auto IV. Wasn't she a pretty big critic of the series? Kind of odd that she'd own and enjoy a game that she's so offended by, right? And the biggest thing in here that stands out. Duke Nukem Forever. A game that, aside from being of incredibly low quality, also contains violence, gore, nudity, and awfully raunchy sexual humor. Kind of weird that a [I]feminist [/I]would be playing Duke Nukem Forever, don't you think?

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;48043518]What needs to happen is someone needs to invite her onto an interview, and completely disprove her points with the contradictory evidence that she herself provides. [t]http://i.imgur.com/iyDDk.jpg[/t] Take a good look at that pile of games that she owns (and probably bought in bulk just for this photo). Notice anything off in that photo? There are games in there that she has notably criticized. She was making a big fuss over Fallout 4 when it was revealed. Oh hey, Fallout 3 and New Vegas are in that pile. Isn't that kind of off? Oh hey, there's also Mortal Kombat 9. Full of gore and violence, and skimpily dressed women. And oh hey, Grand Theft Auto IV. Wasn't she a pretty big critic of the series? Kind of odd that she'd own and enjoy a game that she's so offended by, right? And the biggest thing in here that stands out. Duke Nukem Forever. A game that, aside from being of incredibly low quality, also contains violence, gore, nudity, and awfully raunchy sexual humor. Kind of weird that a [I]feminist [/I]would be playing Duke Nukem Forever, don't you think?[/QUOTE] Catherine... :wink:

[quote]In general they're quite successful and "Power+privilege" logic means that we can't be racist against them.[/quote] you can, as an individual, definitely be racist against jews. no, there is no systemic discrimination against jews in the West in the post-modern era and since they have their own state they aren't exactly a marginalized group anymore. in fact, that state has close ties to the world's most powerful countries. as a result, labor zionism is dead and israeli social-democracy took the path of blue labor, Likud rules Israel, and in the US jews have basically been assimilated as whites.

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;48043518]What needs to happen is someone needs to invite her onto an interview, and completely disprove her points with the contradictory evidence that she herself provides. [t]http://i.imgur.com/iyDDk.jpg[/t] Take a good look at that pile of games that she owns (and probably bought in bulk just for this photo). Notice anything off in that photo? There are games in there that she has notably criticized. She was making a big fuss over Fallout 4 when it was revealed. Oh hey, Fallout 3 and New Vegas are in that pile. Isn't that kind of off? Oh hey, there's also Mortal Kombat 9. Full of gore and violence, and skimpily dressed women. And oh hey, Grand Theft Auto IV. Wasn't she a pretty big critic of the series? Kind of odd that she'd own and enjoy a game that she's so offended by, right? And the biggest thing in here that stands out. Duke Nukem Forever. A game that, aside from being of incredibly low quality, also contains violence, gore, nudity, and awfully raunchy sexual humor. Kind of weird that a [I]feminist [/I]would be playing Duke Nukem Forever, don't you think?[/QUOTE] This post makes no sense. You've probably complained about quicktime events or DLC before, right? Yet you own games with quicktime events and DLC? That doesn't make you a hypocrite.

[QUOTE=Conscript;48043473]go ahead, prove me wrong. tell me how jews were so enfranchised, a dominant group, and not a marginalized one that subsequently, as was the case in history, was often left wing. unless this sort of post is all you're good for. in which case, you can stay quiet and rate dumb, nobody cares.[/QUOTE] To be fair, you do a pretty good job of discrediting your own arguments without me pointing out the obvious. [quote]nobody cares.[/quote] But apparently you care, since you felt the need to get so flustered about it.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;48043562]This post makes no sense. You've probably complained about quicktime events or DLC before, right? Yet you own games with quicktime events and DLC? That doesn't make you a hypocrite.[/QUOTE] you don't get it, double dragon neon, is all I have to say. double dragon neon.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;48043562]This post makes no sense. You've probably complained about quicktime events or DLC before, right? Yet you own games with quicktime events and DLC? That doesn't make you a hypocrite.[/QUOTE] Yet she's posing proudly next to the games that she apparently hates so much. Quicktime events and DLC aren't really comparable to full in-game content.

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;48043578]Yet she's posing proudly next to the games that she apparently hates so much. Quicktime events and DLC aren't really comparable to full in-game content.[/QUOTE] I think you're under the impression that Sarkeesian [b]hates[/b] video games when there's really nothing in her videos or tweets that conveys this. Her detractors have done a good job of painting her as some kind of feminazi who's always angry and yelling and trying to take our video games away but if you actually watch her videos it's just... dry and boring and completely emotionless. There's absolutely no suggestion at all that she hates the games enough to actually bother boycotting them.

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;48043518]What needs to happen is someone needs to invite her onto an interview, and completely disprove her points with the contradictory evidence that she herself provides. [t]http://i.imgur.com/iyDDk.jpg[/t] Take a good look at that pile of games that she owns (and probably bought in bulk just for this photo). Notice anything off in that photo? There are games in there that she has notably criticized. She was making a big fuss over Fallout 4 when it was revealed. Oh hey, Fallout 3 and New Vegas are in that pile. Isn't that kind of off? Oh hey, there's also Mortal Kombat 9. Full of gore and violence, and skimpily dressed women. And oh hey, Grand Theft Auto IV. Wasn't she a pretty big critic of the series? Kind of odd that she'd own and enjoy a game that she's so offended by, right? And the biggest thing in here that stands out. Duke Nukem Forever. A game that, aside from being of incredibly low quality, also contains violence, gore, nudity, and awfully raunchy sexual humor. Kind of weird that a [I]feminist [/I]would be playing Duke Nukem Forever, don't you think?[/QUOTE] I mean wasn't the point of her videos criticism, I feel like she bought a lot of games to criticise, also this was a promo photo from before she got funded, it's not too outlandish to say they may just be rented/borrow for the purpose of photography, that guy in the stock photo staring at a noose probably does not bring his own noose

[QUOTE=Zeke129;48043588]I think you're under the impression that Sarkeesian [b]hates[/b] video games when there's really nothing in her videos or tweets that conveys this. Her detractors have done a good job of painting her as some kind of feminazi who's always angry and yelling and trying to take our video games away but if you actually watch her videos it's just... dry and boring and completely emotionless. There's absolutely no suggestion at all that she hates the games enough to actually bother boycotting them.[/QUOTE] I never said she hates video games in general. But proudly owning video games that she so harshly disapproves of, and fucking posing next to them, it's kind of weird. Almost like she's some kind hypocrite.

[QUOTE=draugur;48043570]To be fair, you do a pretty good job of discrediting your own arguments without me pointing out the obvious.[/QUOTE] ad lapidum + ad populum. as far as I can tell you're butthurt those cultural marxist feminazis are ruining your vidya games with their culture critiques. somehow jews got into the mix as part of conflating individual/systemic discrimination, when the only time this argument held any water was generations ago, which is coincidentally the same time many jews were left wing and had no nation of their own. i dont blame you for not trying to defend that point about them and racism, though.

[QUOTE=Conscript;48043542]you can, as an individual, definitely be racist against jews. no, there is no systemic discrimination against jews in the West in the post-modern era and since they have their own state they aren't exactly a marginalized group anymore. in fact, that state has close ties to the world's most powerful countries. as a result, labor zionism is dead and israeli social-democracy took the path of blue labor, Likud rules Israel, and in the US jews have basically been assimilated as whites.[/QUOTE] So if the 'academic' definition is anything to go by you can't be racist against Jews period? This is retarded. I understand that the notion of systemic racism/sexism is different to the regular kind, but then why pretend like it's the only kind that exists? I can understand using it as a shortcut when you're using it in an academic medium but to argue that it should supersede the actual definition when the two meanings are only in conflict because you can't be arsed to add 'systemic' before it is completely stupid.

[QUOTE=Rossy167;48042824]The worst case was when she called Max Payne 3 sexist because in slums you wander into a brothel to cut a deal with the gangs. She completely forgot to mention that Max notices the women are being held against their will, says 'fuck this' and takes on the entire gang controlling it and attempts to free the women. Well no, the worst case was with TW3 but I'm taking about just in her series.[/QUOTE] Are you forgetting when she tried to portray Hitman Absolution as a game where you specifically kill strippers and fondle their corpses :v:

[QUOTE=Zeke129;48043562]This post makes no sense. You've probably complained about quicktime events or DLC before, right? Yet you own games with quicktime events and DLC? That doesn't make you a hypocrite.[/QUOTE] it's a little disingenuous to compare simple gameplay mechanics and the applications there of, and the thematic and tonal design of a game and it's story.

[QUOTE=_Axel;48043639]So if the 'academic' definition is anything to go by you can't be racist against Jews period? This is retarded. I understand that the notion of systemic racism/sexism is different to the regular kind, but then why pretend like it's the only kind that exists? I can understand using it as a shortcut when you're using it in an academic medium but to argue that it should supersede the actual definition when the two meanings are only in conflict because you can't be arsed to add 'systemic' before it is completely stupid.[/QUOTE] im not pretending that though, as i've repeatedly stated there is a dichotomy of individual and systemic racism (and yes I at least use the word 'racism' for both, just unlike the right, MRAs, GGers, etc. the left's view of it isn't a blanket equivalence). I don't pretend there isn't racism/prejudice against jews, but to act like this revelation somehow throws a wrench in the left's or the feminists' theories on the matter is pretty dumb. it's a sad strawman. some people prefer to refer to individual racism as 'chauvinism' rather than 'racism', though, because the latter has an institutional connotation to it (at least thanks to popular memory of shit like the 60s). it has its merits, i guess.

[QUOTE=LTJGPliskin;48043518]What needs to happen is someone needs to invite her onto an interview, and completely disprove her points with the contradictory evidence that she herself provides. [t]http://i.imgur.com/iyDDk.jpg[/t] Take a good look at that pile of games that she owns (and probably bought in bulk just for this photo). Notice anything off in that photo? There are games in there that she has notably criticized. She was making a big fuss over Fallout 4 when it was revealed. Oh hey, Fallout 3 and New Vegas are in that pile. Isn't that kind of off? Oh hey, there's also Mortal Kombat 9. Full of gore and violence, and skimpily dressed women. And oh hey, Grand Theft Auto IV. Wasn't she a pretty big critic of the series? Kind of odd that she'd own and enjoy a game that she's so offended by, right? And the biggest thing in here that stands out. Duke Nukem Forever. A game that, aside from being of incredibly low quality, also contains violence, gore, nudity, and awfully raunchy sexual humor. Kind of weird that a [I]feminist [/I]would be playing Duke Nukem Forever, don't you think?[/QUOTE] Of all the criticisms of Anita that I have had to endure browsing SH, this one really, really eludes me. So she has a shit load of games in that pile, things that she has said negative things about and things that have themes that are (apparently?) totally counter to feminist ideology (you're still losing me here). Have you considered that maybe she has those games to actually play them and critique them? And I know what's coming next; "but but she never played them!!!", and sure she might not have in the end. But that stack of games being there isn't some proof that she's a fraud or a hypocrite. Kinda hard to properly critique something if you don't give it some kind of go, don't you think?

[QUOTE=Zeke129;48043588]I think you're under the impression that Sarkeesian [b]hates[/b] video games when there's really nothing in her videos or tweets that conveys this. Her detractors have done a good job of painting her as some kind of feminazi who's always angry and yelling and trying to take our video games away but if you actually watch her videos it's just... dry and boring and completely emotionless. There's absolutely no suggestion at all that she hates the games enough to actually bother boycotting them.[/QUOTE] As a "Detractor" of her, my biggest criticism is she's constantly misrepresenting everything she talks about. She mentions Hitman. Completely lies about it(I don't believe it can be called a misunderstanding because it's frankly too incorrect of a description of the game to be "Misunderstood"). She talks about GTA. Same thing. She talks about a lot of franchises and video game history, that she washes over with her own lens with no respect for the actual history of things. The Star Fox 64 and Crystal character that was cancelled to create a different game was a much larger story than "People don't want female player characters", it wasn't a fair asssesment she made. She has done that, over, and over, and over again. And when people point this out, as was done so earlier in the thread, it's ignored, and the conversation continues with "All you people just hate her cause she's a woman" and "you think she hates your hobby"

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;48043695]As a "Detractor" of her, my biggest criticism is she's constantly misrepresenting everything she talks about. She mentions Hitman. Completely lies about it(I don't believe it can be called a misunderstanding because it's frankly too incorrect of a description of the game to be "Misunderstood"). She talks about GTA. Same thing. She talks about a lot of franchises and video game history, that she washes over with her own lens with no respect for the actual history of things. The Star Fox 64 and Crystal character that was cancelled to create a different game was a much larger story than "People don't want female player characters", it wasn't a fair asssesment she made. She has done that, over, and over, and over again. And when people point this out, as was done so earlier in the thread, it's ignored, and the conversation continues with "All you people just hate her cause she's a woman" and "you think she hates your hobby"[/QUOTE] What made the Hitman thing even funnier was how the player gets quite a few points deducted when they kill innocent bystanders :v:

[QUOTE=hexpunK;48043693] Have you considered that maybe she has those games to actually play them and critique them?[/QUOTE] Well she uses Letsplayer footage for her videos and well.. this. [video=youtube;WuRSaLZidWI]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuRSaLZidWI[/video]