One of the teenage Austrian ‘poster girls’ who ran away to join ISIS has been killed in the conflict - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Kyle902;46746161][b]She forfeited her life[/b] when she actively start to try and end the lives of others. Say all you want about "hurr rehabilitation" but in this specific circumstance the girl dying likely saved many more lives then the single one it took. She was a willing propaganda piece that likely helped recruit dozens if not hundreds of similar people. Not only that but she willingly participated in events that led to barbaric loss of life amongst the civilian populace around her. Her death is the sad outcome of a sad series of events, but in the end [b]she DID forfeit her life[/b] when she actively sought to take the lives of others for no reason other then existing.[/QUOTE] You did not just skip over my post that was specifically asking how the "she forfeited her life" thing is an objective fact.

Well at least she fought for something and wasn't like every other western slob vegetating on maccas and waiting for their arteries to clog.

I don't know who you think you are to judge a teenage girl without knowing her biography, and thus not knowing why she joined ISIS. I don't know either, but someone mentioned how ISIS manipulates isolated teenagers. Sure, she joined ISIS and that was a death sentence for her, but I don't believe that was only by her own choice, I believe she might have gotten some 'help' from someone. [QUOTE=Camundongo;46744414]From what I've heard/read, that's basically what they instill in young people to radicalise them. They pick on people, especially teenagers, who feel isolated from mainstream society and then feed that feeling, telling them that the society they live in (including their family and friends) either hates them or doesn't care about them, and that they will never amount to anything in their current situation. From there, they then convince them that by travelling abroad to fight or support these causes they can actually amount to something, and they can create somewhere where people respect and care for them. By the time they get there and realise the actual truth of things, it's generally too late.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=RichyZ;46745344]murderers, rapist, etc can be rehabilitated according to a majority of fp but if you join a terrorist group you as a human being are irredeemable because???[/QUOTE]I don't think murderers and rapists can be rehabilitated in most circumstances, I think that they weigh their options, decide "I can get away with it" and then do it. How the fuck do you expect "rehabilitate" anyone who's up and decided they're capable of avoiding punishment [i]even though they know they do wrong[/i] compared to somebody who did something in a fit of passion or some other odd circumstance? There's nothing to rehabilitate, they made a conscious choice and got caught, and honestly I'm perfectly okay with those people taking a long walk off a short pier. Fuck them. My issue with capital punishment is entirely wrapped up in the condemned being guilty without a doubt, and most of the time there is a doubt. Morally I don't give a fuck because it's their dumbshit choice that put them there at the expense of an innocent person, my issue with it is a legal one and the chance that innocent people paying for crimes they didn't commit, which I do find morally reprehensible. Same thing with joining a terrorist group. These motherfuckers execute children just [i]because[/i] so frankly their human rights are fucking forfeit to me. You keep asking "HOW THOUGH HOW DID THEY FORFEIT???" Well here's how: this is a mutual respect thing, I respect your right to live and you do the same for me. When you cease respecting my rights, it is ridiculous to expect me to adhere to that same contract that you've broken and be at the disadvantage, so I cease recognizing your rights in the same fashion. Since you broke the contract, everyone else will also cease respecting your rights as well, since you can't be trusted to adhere to the simple rule: "don't murder people, shithead." Not a hard concept to grasp.

[QUOTE=Explosions;46743618]She's in paradise now.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=zerglingv2;46743811]If a female Jihadi dies do they get like 72 dudes or what?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Skipcast;46743819]They get 72 male virgins, which may or may not be what one would want. :v:[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=zerglingv2;46743851]That's alot of dick[/QUOTE] You guys just wrote the plot for an awesome hentai doujin

[QUOTE=Skerion;46745333]"They forfeited their lives" This is another thing you guys keep saying. How do I know this isn't just belief that people made up to make it fit their morals, like that "if you x crime, you lose your humanity" thing that people sometimes say. And while I understand that ISIS is a threat against all good things about humanity, like you said, I don't think it means that people like the poster girl will never redeem themselves and get out of that mindset.[/QUOTE] But it [b]is[/b] just a belief people made up. Just like belief that human life has some kind of value at all, although "objectively" it just doesn't. What you're engaging in is sophistry, because even the concept of objectivity (and value, for that matter) is also made up. And while I do think that people may get out of that kind of mindset and drop what they're doing and maybe redeem themselves (although how can you really "redeem" the loss of people's lives?), I don't understand what it has to do with anything. She maybe could've 'redeem' herself. She didn't, she died before that could occur. And I don't find any sympathy in myself towards her. It's like crying over every single person that ever died, because each one of them could've saved the world from poverty, famine, cancer, communism and milk gone bad. It doesn't really matter what "could've happened".

[QUOTE=Skerion;46747049]You did not just skip over my post that was specifically asking how the "she forfeited her life" thing is an objective fact.[/QUOTE] Let me make this as simple for you as possible. SHE JOINED A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION! Maybe you can make the argument she didn't know what she was getting herself into (damned hard argument to make in the information age.) ISIS has built a reputation as such a piece of shit group that even OTHER TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS are distancing themselves from them. Terrorists only exist to fuck shit up and terrify or kill anyone who disagrees with them. She joined a group that condones fucking genocide....I think that's reason enough to say her life was forfeit. Even if it isn't, she joined a fucking terrorist group, its not like her life expectancy was longer because of it. Terrorism does tend to be a hazardous "hobby".

[QUOTE=ElRobb;46744525]GOD, all this [I]VICTIM BLAMING[/I] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Alt of RobbL, ban evasion" - Orkel))[/highlight][/QUOTE] How is this not her fault exactly?

[QUOTE=Solo Wing;46749506]Let me make this as simple for you as possible. SHE JOINED A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION! Maybe you can make the argument she didn't know what she was getting herself into (damned hard argument to make in the information age.) ISIS has built a reputation as such a piece of shit group that even OTHER TERRORIST ORGANIZATIONS are distancing themselves from them. Terrorists only exist to fuck shit up and terrify or kill anyone who disagrees with them. She joined a group that condones fucking genocide....I think that's reason enough to say her life was forfeit. Even if it isn't, she joined a fucking terrorist group, its not like her life expectancy was longer because of it. Terrorism does tend to be a hazardous "hobby".[/QUOTE] Yeah, I'm aware that she willingly joined a terrorist group, one that all other terrorist groups despise. I don't know if you noticed, and I think you should have, but I really don't give a shit at all that she joined a terrorist group. Yeah, it fucking sucks that she did that since ISIS shouldn't be getting anymore support and gradually getting the chance to affect every other country in the world, but that's not enough to make me want her dead. The reason I don't care is that it's just her fucking viewpoint. A horribly controversial and immoral viewpoint, yes, but that's pretty much all it fucking is. What you should be mad at her about the [b]most[/b] is her actually killing and torturing people, not because she went to Syria to join a terrorist group and make fucking posters. [editline]19th December 2014[/editline] Because the thing is, I'm not as concerned about what viewpoints these guys have as a lot of you are. All I care about is that they get stopped from killing anymore people, one way or another.

[QUOTE=Skerion;46751185]Yeah, I'm aware that she willingly joined a terrorist group, one that all other terrorist groups despise. I don't know if you noticed, and I think you should have, but I really don't give a shit at all that she joined a terrorist group. Yeah, it fucking sucks that she did that since ISIS shouldn't be getting anymore support and gradually getting the chance to affect every other country in the world, but that's not enough to make me want her dead. The reason I don't care is that it's just her fucking viewpoint. A horribly controversial and immoral viewpoint, yes, but that's pretty much all it fucking is. What you should be mad at her about the [B]most[/B] is her actually killing and torturing people, not because she went to Syria to join a terrorist group and make fucking posters. [editline]19th December 2014[/editline] Because the thing is, I'm not as concerned about what viewpoints these guys have as a lot of you are. All I care about is that they get stopped from killing anymore people, one way or another.[/QUOTE] Did I say ANYWHERE in my post that I wanted her dead? No, I'm pretty sure I didn't. At the same time, I don't have any sympathy for her. Sucks it happened but I think that's a risk you take when associating with terrorists. Same could be said about joining the US military. You take a risk of being deployed to active combat, and with that comes the risk of death. She took a risk of dying by joining ISIS.

[QUOTE=snapshot32;46745097]Both are morally repugnant.[/QUOTE] Nothing will ever beat the sonic joke though. That shit was just so damn perfect

[QUOTE=Solo Wing;46751622][b]Did I say ANYWHERE in my post that I wanted her dead? No, I'm pretty sure I didn't.[/b] At the same time, I don't have any sympathy for her. Sucks it happened but I think that's a risk you take when associating with terrorists. Same could be said about joining the US military. You take a risk of being deployed to active combat, and with that comes the risk of death. She took a risk of dying by joining ISIS.[/QUOTE] Sorry, I suppose that was an exaggeration on my part. It's just that it seemed liked other guys like Fort83 were actually wanting her to be dead, rather than just being unsympathetic about her death. Also, I really hope that's not the only thing in my post that you're going to be focusing on.

[QUOTE=Fort83;46751792]Except I specifically said I have no sympathy for her death. You took it a completely different way.[/QUOTE] What's this, then? [QUOTE=Fort83;46744073]Good riddance.[/QUOTE] If you weren't implying that you were waiting for her to die, my apologies.

[QUOTE=Skerion;46751733]Sorry, I suppose that was an exaggeration on my part. It's just that it seemed liked other guys like Fort83 were actually wanting her to be dead, rather than just being unsympathetic about her death. Also, I really hope that's not the only thing in my post that you're going to be focusing on.[/QUOTE] ISIS need to be stopped one way or another. While it is sad that this girl died prematurely, its a risk to be taken when you associate with terrorists. A risk SHE accepted when she joined them. Again, same in the case of joining the military. You take the risk of being deployed to combat, and with combat comes death. She might not have intended it that way but that is the way it turned out. Its not like everyone goes home with sunshine and rainbows when the war ends. War is brutal, nuff said.

[QUOTE=Solo Wing;46751905]ISIS need to be stopped one way or another. While it is sad that this girl died prematurely, its a risk to be taken when you associate with terrorists. A risk SHE accepted when she joined them. Again, same in the case of joining the military. You take the risk of being deployed to combat, and with combat comes death. She might not have intended it that way but that is the way it turned out. Its not like everyone goes home with sunshine and rainbows when the war ends. War is brutal, nuff said.[/QUOTE] Well, you don't really see many people on the forums calling soldiers who died in battle idiots and saying that they don't have any sympathy for them much since they were fighting for a good cause. If what you're saying is that people hating her and thinking of her as irredeemable was part of the risk of joining a terrorist group, then I suppose it makes sense. Still, it kinda bothers me that people can be like that, and that's pretty much why I'm bothered about this. [QUOTE=Fort83;46751926]Kind of easy to interpret a text so short and without tone. I wasn't implying I was waiting for her to die[/QUOTE] What did you mean, then? "Good riddance" pretty much means "I'm glad this person is gone", so I'm not really sure what else you were implying on that post alone.

this is sad

Good riddance.

I have nothing but compassion for her parents, they didn't deserve this. The sisters are fucking shitheads.

[QUOTE=Skerion;46747049]You did not just skip over my post that was specifically asking how the "she forfeited her life" thing is an objective fact.[/QUOTE] How exactly do I prove that? I obviously cant get proof positive for you. I just stated my opinion on the whole thing [editline]19th December 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Skerion;46752045] What did you mean, then? "Good riddance" pretty much means "I'm glad this person is gone", so I'm not really sure what else you were implying on that post alone.[/QUOTE] Being glad someone is gone does not equate to actively wanting her death. [editline]19th December 2014[/editline] Honestly you're taking an awfully accusatory stance for seemingly no reason. Either you're defending the organization or the girls actions or you're trying to stir shit up by deliberate misinterpretation/over interpretation.

[QUOTE=Kyle902;46753059]Honestly you're taking an awfully accusatory stance for seemingly no reason. Either you're defending the organization or the girls actions or you're trying to stir shit up by deliberate misinterpretation/over interpretation.[/QUOTE] I don't know. It just seemed like, I don't know, obviously a ton of people thought she made a terrible decision, which can be easily agreed on, and then it just seemed like they believed that once you make a decision that they judge as unbelievably vile, they're automatically considering you as someone who's equivalent to trash, and it seemed like people were just doing it and refusing to give them another chance since it gave them satisfaction, and people have done that in the past. There's also people who say that others deserve to be offended/dead/suffering/burning in hell, and I'm thinking: how could you decide who deserves whatever punishment when you're only human? If someone decides that someone else deserves to burn in hell, I can't imagine it would come from someone who was omniscient, someone who could read someone's mind and understand their reasons behind their actions as well as know the worst pain one could give to another for so called justice. If the person was also omnipotent, I'd be confused too, because surely someone who has unlimited power should have the ability to control his angry to prevent his emotions from affecting his decisions. I'm aware that there's cases where the punisher uses mostly logic to determine the punishment rather than emotions, but there's always going to be those times where the punisher punishes solely on how he feels about his victim. All these things already on my mind had led me to believe that because she joined ISIS, people began to instantly despise her and think of her as some silly bitch who no longer deserves anything good, and because of that it really skews with my mind, especially when you've got this many people who seem to have this mindset in comparison to people who don't And no, I'm not defending the organization and what they do, and I wasn't trying to pretend to be stupid. I just wanted to have a debate on this so that I can get people to see my reason for thinking this whole thing as cruel, and I wanted to attempt to challenge some of these repeated arguments as much as I can, though I suppose I did a pretty shitty job at it. Look, I'm sorry if I've bothered you and made you look like the evil guy. I'm just pissed off about this whole thing.

[QUOTE=Rex McCoolguy;46752674]I have nothing but compassion for her parents, they didn't deserve this. The sisters are fucking shitheads.[/QUOTE] What baffles me the most is that it seems like their parents escaped their home country exactly because violent fanaticism. And then their fucking daughters abandon their friends and family to join a group of fucking violent fanatics!

[QUOTE=Rex McCoolguy;46752674]I have nothing but compassion for her parents, they didn't deserve this. The sisters are fucking shitheads.[/QUOTE] Seeing how parents are a major part in the process of bringing up kids, they are to blame for this.

[QUOTE=JumpinJackFlash;46748454]I don't think murderers and rapists can be rehabilitated in most circumstances, I think that they weigh their options, decide "I can get away with it" and then do it. How the fuck do you expect "rehabilitate" anyone who's up and decided they're capable of avoiding punishment [i]even though they know they do wrong[/i] compared to somebody who did something in a fit of passion or some other odd circumstance? There's nothing to rehabilitate, they made a conscious choice and got caught, and honestly I'm perfectly okay with those people taking a long walk off a short pier. Fuck them. My issue with capital punishment is entirely wrapped up in the condemned being guilty without a doubt, and most of the time there is a doubt. Morally I don't give a fuck because it's their dumbshit choice that put them there at the expense of an innocent person, my issue with it is a legal one and the chance that innocent people paying for crimes they didn't commit, which I do find morally reprehensible.[/QUOTE] Killing a person just because you can get away with it is socio/psychopathic behavior by definition, isn't it? You don't think murderers and rapists can be rehabilitated but post no evidence besides your own opinion to back it up. [editline]22nd December 2014[/editline] Fuck, didn't realize how old this was, sorry