Police shoot and kill 8th-grader at Texas school

[rrkpp_]

[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;34053181]then go back to fast threads you [B]jew cocksuck[/B], I asked a legitimate question being somebody who has never once in my life been involved in the field of law enforcement. They wanted their gun and badge and now they have it, why can't they hold their own in a hostile situation[/QUOTE]

wow holy shit did your account get hacked or have you always been clinically retarded

[Zillamaster55]

[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;34053181]then go back to fast threads you jew cocksuck,[/QUOTE]

That is beyond uncalled for

[Missing User]

[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;34053576]Arguments aside, since we really don't have the [B]full [/B]story (yet) I can't make an actual conclusion, I don't know about you guys, but I'm going to be fucking pissed if it turns out that he was killed before they could have subdued him/talked him into surrendering his weapon. The lack of details in this article is disturbing[/QUOTE]

Police do subdue someone with a gun in a school. Way to much risk there.

[Stick it in her]

[QUOTE=BusterBluth;34053485]Im not sure where you are getting this argument at. The cops in the story opened fire and killed the kid because he had a weapon. Someone commented on how traumatic it must be to kill another person and you go on about how cops are suppose to be able to kill, [B]which they did[/B].[/QUOTE]

I meant that they should be able to handle it mentally without being a complete pussy, was that clarified enough for you or do I need to further dumb it down

[Missing User]

[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;34053673]I meant that they should be able to handle it mentally without being a complete pussy, was that clarified enough for you or do I need to further dumb it down[/QUOTE]

You do not understand what its like to do something like this. No-one can handle this mentally. If you can shoot human beings without any type of moral regret or second thoughts you are mentally ill.

[Contag]

[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;34053673]I meant that they should be able to handle it mentally without being a complete pussy, was that clarified enough for you or do I need to further dumb it down[/QUOTE]

Well most of the time police have a lower suicide rate than the general population (despite the sensationalization to the contrary)

[Missing User]

ask soldiers returning home from war.

[editline]4th January 2012[/editline]

me merge

[Stick it in her]

also, why did he feel the need to bring his gun to school? Was he the target to a firing squad of bullies or something?

[QUOTE=areolop;34053714]You do not understand what its like to do something like this. No-one can handle this mentally. If you can shoot human beings without any type of moral regret or second thoughts you are mentally ill.[/QUOTE]

Its still weird to have a high rate of them completely leaving because of one serious standoff. I get that it can be traumatic to have a gun pointed at you, or to be shot at (and to shoot people). But I figured they knew they would eventually see that sort of action at some point in their career. They act like they never knew what they were signing up for, it's not like I'm outraged, it just feels like they're fake.

Usually people would seek psychological help, deal with it, and continue with their job, with these guys they just see some "real shit" and crack like an egg

[Zillamaster55]

-snipzies-

[Contag]

[QUOTE=areolop;34053714]You do not understand what its like to do something like this. No-one can handle this mentally. If you can shoot human beings without any type of moral regret or second thoughts you are mentally ill.[/QUOTE]

I'm pretty sure this isn't the case.

For instance, I might believe that killing my kids would give them access to heaven and so on, so I kill them. That doesn't mean I'm mentally ill.

[Missing User]

[QUOTE=Contag;34053748]I'm pretty sure this isn't the case.

For instance, I might believe that killing my kids would give them access to heaven and so on, so I kill them. That doesn't mean I'm mentally ill.[/QUOTE]

Without the religious aspect to it.

[AceOfDivine]

[QUOTE=areolop;34053714]You do not understand what its like to do something like this. No-one can handle this mentally. If you can shoot human beings without any type of moral regret or second thoughts you are mentally ill.[/QUOTE]
Actually you don't have to, it's just that our society deems anyone with lack of sympathy(aka sociopaths) to be mentally ill. The logic that they try to apply is the generic different = ill.

[editline]4th January 2012[/editline]

[QUOTE=Contag;34053748]
For instance, I might believe that killing my kids would give them access to heaven and so on, so I kill them. That doesn't mean I'm mentally ill.[/QUOTE]
Actually yeah that kinda does.

[Moose]

how did shooting an eight grader come to the discussion of religion

[Gen]

[QUOTE=Flyingcoxs;34049510]If only that kid had a gun to defend him self, maybe then he wouldn't be shot.

[highlight](User was banned for this post ("Didn't read the article" - Swebonny))[/highlight][/QUOTE]
Really, Swebonny? [B]REALLY?
[/B]

[Killerjc]

[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;34053181]then go back to fast threads you jew cocksuck, I asked a legitimate question being somebody who has never once in my life been involved in the field of law enforcement. They wanted their gun and badge and now they have it, why can't they hold their own in a hostile situation[/QUOTE]
You called a man protecting himself and possibly others an idiot, do you not see how you have a lapse of judgment here? Please calm down and stop calling other people "jew cocksuck", thank you.

[Stick it in her]

[QUOTE=Killerjc;34054134]You called a man protecting himself and possibly others an idiot, do you not see how you have a lapse of judgment here? Please calm down and stop calling other people "jew cocksuck", thank you.[/QUOTE]
lol

ok

I retract my statement towards him and direct it to you then. See, now you can be a [QUOTE=Killerjc;34054134]"jew cocksuck"[/QUOTE] all by yourself instead of sharing the dubious insult with your buddies. Problem solved.

[Killerjc]

[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;34054368]lol

ok

I retract my statement towards him and direct it to you then. See, now you can be a all by yourself instead of sharing the dubious insult with your buddies. Problem solved.[/QUOTE]

I have no idea who "arelop" (apologies if it's misspelled) is, nor have I ever met him. I just found your post disturbingly ignorant.

[teslacoil]

[QUOTE=Gundevil;34052316]You want another Columbine?[/QUOTE]

I don't think a 14 year old is going to come to school with a friend with a selection of rifles and have a school shootout.

[QUOTE=MR-X;34049660]A gun is a gun, it does not matter how old a kid is. It does not make it any-less deadly.

Pull a firearm on police and expect that threat to be met with deadly force. People in this thread are tripping out, they didn't read the article or just don't understand the timeline of it.

This isn't some sad case of mistaken identity or police brutality. A kid brought a gun to school, who fuckings knows what he intended to do. The point is, he pulled it out on police and paid for it. The quick response of the head-teacher or whoever it was and police saved countless lives.

Kids don't need guns, people don't need guns at schools. I highly doubt this kid was some banger just carrying to be carrying.[/QUOTE]

I understand that if someone brings a gun to school, they should be prepared to be killed.

When I was in 5th grade, a kid brought his father's gun to school to show his friends. The teachers confiscated the weapon. His father went to jail and he was suspended or expelled.

When I was in 7th grade, a kid did the same, but he took it out on the bus to show his friends, when it went off and shot straight through the seats in front of him, nearly missing some girl. I don't know what happened to the boy other than he was expelled.

I'm not saying they should have let him run around the halls with a gun, but it doesn't sound like they did anything to disarm him, other than shooting him. I understand that if he threatened anyone, they had the right to disarm him with any force necessary.

I just think that it's terrible that some dumb kid's poor decision ended his life.

[BusterBluth]

Thread needs to be updated a bit

[url]http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/45870968/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/#.TwTuldS3r0c[/url]

The weapon the kid had was a pellet gun and apparently had refused to put it down several times after demands by officers.

Its not very surprising considering how real some pellets guns look.

[MR-X]

More information

[url]http://news.yahoo.com/police-student-killed-officers-had-pellet-gun-231453248.html[/url]

[quote]BROWNSVILLE, Texas (AP) — An armed eighth-grader gunned down by police officers in the hallway of his Texas middle school Wednesday was brandishing a pellet gun that looked like a firearm, and he refused repeated orders to lower the weapon before the officers opened fire, police said.[/quote]

[quote]"He had plenty of opportunities to lower the weapon ... and he didn't want to," Rodriguez said. Two officers fired three shots, striking Gonzalez at least twice, he said. The autopsy results are pending.

Rodriguez said that before the confrontation with police, Gonzalez walked into a Cummings Middle School classroom and punched another boy in the nose. He said he doesn't know why Gonzalez was brandishing the weapon.[/quote]

To the people in this thread saying they didn't give him any other choice. At the time they thought it was a real gun, gave him a chance to surrender. Sounds like to me they went out of their way to work with the kid. In the end it was the kids own fault and no one elses.

[QUOTE=teslacoil;34054877]I don't think a 14 year old is going to come to school with a friend with a selection of rifles and have a school shootout.

I understand that if someone brings a gun to school, they should be prepared to be killed.

When I was in 5th grade, a kid brought his father's gun to school to show his friends. The teachers confiscated the weapon. His father went to jail and he was suspended or expelled.

When I was in 7th grade, a kid did the same, but he took it out on the bus to show his friends, when it went off and shot straight through the seats in front of him, nearly missing some girl. I don't know what happened to the boy other than he was expelled.

I'm not saying they should have let him run around the halls with a gun, but it doesn't sound like they did anything to disarm him, other than shooting him. I understand that if he threatened anyone, they had the right to disarm him with any force necessary.

I just think that it's terrible that some dumb kid's poor decision ended his life.[/QUOTE]

If you understand that then why continue to go on about it? Yeah it is terrible but the only person at fault is him.

Also before people flip "they should know the difference between a real one and a fake one."

Tell me could you identify between the two at a short distance?

[img]http://www.shortyusa.com/cart/images/1228.jpg[/img]
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/61/M9-pistolet.jpg/800px-M9-pistolet.jpg[/img]

Not the gun used (Just a good example.) Obviously there is the stamping on the pictures, but how many people can read text like that at that range?

[Daniel Smith]

[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;34051772]at first I was outraged, but then it hit me

[IMG]http://www.blackenterprise.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2011/12/black-child-in-school-375x325.jpg[/IMG]

everyday Texas racism at play here
Why are we surprised?

edit:
if you know anything, most Texas stereotypes are accurate for a reason, stop trying to defend them[/QUOTE]

And his name was Miguel Grimaldo. That must have made it worse.

[SquidsEye]

It must suck to be one of the cops that shot him. Killing a kid and then finding out he wasn't even really a threat must be pretty traumatising. It's the kids fault though, should've put it down.

[editline]5th January 2012[/editline]

[QUOTE=Daniel Smith;34055678]And his name was Miguel Grimaldo. That must have made it worse.[/QUOTE]

The article I read said it was Jaime Gonzalez.

[editline]5th January 2012[/editline]

[img]http://a3.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/403162_344195458926064_344183208927289_1470562_675538715_n.jpg[/img]
There's a picture of him since so many of you seem to be interested in his ethnicity.

[Divaya]

I think thread titles need some rules. Bringing any gun-like object is a stupid idea. It sucks that he died, would have been a good life lesson for him.

[Mister Sandman]

[QUOTE=znk666;34051281]Why am i not surprised about the fact that this happened in Texas?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=asteroidrules;34052757]It's funny, I clicked on the misleading title thinking "knowing Texas he probably threatened/tried to shoot them", I read the article and it turns out he did.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Stick it in her pooper;34051772]at first I was outraged, but then it hit me

[IMG]http://www.blackenterprise.com/wp-content/blogs.dir/1/files/2011/12/black-child-in-school-375x325.jpg[/IMG]

everyday Texas racism at play here
Why are we surprised?

edit:
if you know anything, most Texas stereotypes are accurate for a reason, stop trying to defend them[/QUOTE]

Hi, I'm Texan. Believe it or not, we [i]aren't[/I] a bunch of racist, bible thumping cowboys. Nobody I know is racist, and nobody I know is a regular victim of racism, if at all. And the most I've ever gotten for being an atheist is a few double takes. Nobody is getting fucking lynched here for being a different religion or black or any of that shit, because [i]nobody fucking cares that much.[/I]
Stop acting like Texas is in the 1800s.

[RobbL]

[QUOTE=Flyingcoxs;34049510]If only that kid had a gun to defend him self, maybe then he wouldn't be shot.

[highlight](User was banned for this post ("Didn't read the article" - Swebonny))[/highlight][/QUOTE]

Swebonny, are you really that retarded?

Btw, for the sake of being on topic it's now apparent it was a pellet gun not an actual gun [url]http://www.facepunch.com/threads/1152895[/url]