• Germany moves to ban neo-Nazi party
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[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38832502]A declawed cat can't scratch you no matter how angry it gets.[/QUOTE] This is helpful when dealing with cats but until we have a political system based around felines I don't see how it applies to this.
[QUOTE=Paramud;38834121]This is helpful when dealing with cats but until we have a political system based around felines I don't see how it applies to this.[/QUOTE] If their party is banned, people can't vote for them. If people can't vote for them...well you get the idea
[QUOTE=The golden;38832765]But on the other hand, nazi's/neo-nazi's or whatever the fuck you wanna call them are threats to democracy.[/QUOTE] The problem with this is that with this kind of thinking you could justify banning other parties that don't necessarily have any malicious intent.
This is because Germany is still being scrutinised for something it did, for like what? 70 years ago? So, until the world gets over with these Nazi Germany, 3rd Reich and Hitler stuffs, Germany won't chill out.
[QUOTE]The NPD wants to restore borders to what they were before World War II.[/QUOTE] [B]THIS IS WHY WE HAVE HISTORY CLASS[/B]
Its not a democracy if you ban parties, regardless of their political views. Democracy is a very grey political ideological point of view. Hitler didn't like democracy, he thought it made a nation weak and not a stable way to run a country as at the time of his political up rising there was around 21 parties in the Reichstag whom all didn't have enough power in parliament to get their ideas across. Communists don't like democratic processes either, will Germany ban those?
[QUOTE=Vasili;38834976]Its not a democracy if you ban parties, regardless of their political views. Democracy is a very grey political ideological point of view. Hitler didn't like democracy, he thought it made a nation weak and not a stable way to run a country as at the time of his political up rising there was around 21 parties in the Reichstag whom all didn't have enough power in parliament to get their ideas across. Communists don't like democratic processes either, will Germany ban those?[/QUOTE] I've always found it somewhat ironic that Hitler didn't like democracy though he liked "survival of the strongest". What better way to show your ideology is best if not through winning the competition through democracy?
[QUOTE=aliensoldier;38832224]Those idiots will never get the majority of voters anyways...[/QUOTE] I'm sure that's what they thought the first time around, too.
[QUOTE=Burgervich;38834890][B]THIS IS WHY WE HAVE HISTORY CLASS[/B][/QUOTE] I dunno about over there, but here in the US, history classes in public schools are pretty crappy.
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38832502]A declawed cat can't scratch you no matter how angry it gets.[/QUOTE] yea but a disenfranchised minority can strap bombs on busses or shoot up government offices.
Remember, don't mention the war [sp]You'll only get it if you're British[/sp]
[QUOTE=The golden;38832765]But on the other hand, nazi's/neo-nazi's or whatever the fuck you wanna call them are threats to democracy.[/QUOTE] Well more importantly they shoehorned their way into power in the 1920/30's, it'd be dumb not to percieve them as a general malicious threat to stability. It's one of these "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" sort of situations, they had their political chance back then and they basically destroyed all of europe. Never again, I guess.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;38835164]yea but a disenfranchised minority can strap bombs on busses or shoot up government offices.[/QUOTE] And how's that working for Al-Qaeda? Ah yes, I remember reading in the papers about the mass conversion to Islam and Sharia...
[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38835994]And how's that working for Al-Qaeda? Ah yes, I remember reading in the papers about the mass conversion to Islam and Sharia...[/QUOTE] that doesn't change the fact that people died over that shit. idk if it's worth it. assuming that banning the ndp encourages domestic terrorism, that is.
The NPD is such a bad party, their goals have no place in our society. Their ideologies are racist and downright against humanity. Nevertheless they can still express their opinion and freedom of speech, it seems fair but they bring nothing but trouble. The brute neo-nazi organisations are not that bad, they are not as farsighted as the leaders behind the NPD party. Those are really intelligent and cunning. There are many NPD demonstrations in Germany, they tend to get messy after a while because there are a lot of people who group together to demonstrate against them.
[QUOTE=Vasili;38834976]Its not a democracy if you ban parties, regardless of their political views. Democracy is a very grey political ideological point of view. Hitler didn't like democracy, he thought it made a nation weak and not a stable way to run a country as at the time of his political up rising there was around 21 parties in the Reichstag whom all didn't have enough power in parliament to get their ideas across. Communists don't like democratic processes either, will Germany ban those?[/QUOTE] Not until Germany becomes Glorious Comrade of Communist Nations and then subsequently returns to Democracy after realizing there was a reason we didn't adopt East Germany's political system after the Cold War ended.
[QUOTE]The NPD wants to restore borders to what they were before World War II.[/QUOTE] Good luck getting any of Prussia back.
[QUOTE=Nightsure;38835203]Remember, don't mention the war [sp]You'll only get it if you're British[/sp][/QUOTE] [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3YyZr6El3M[/media] [sp]I'm not actually British.[/sp]
[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;38838299] [sp]I'm not actually British.[/sp][/QUOTE] It shows, as you got the wrong reference. [video=youtube;7xnNhzgcWTk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xnNhzgcWTk[/video]
I deserve partial credit.
[QUOTE=Nightsure;38835203]Remember, don't mention the war [sp]You'll only get it if you're British[/sp][/QUOTE] I'm German and I get it :v: It's not true though.
[QUOTE=zombojoe;38834454]The problem with this is that with this kind of thinking you could justify banning other parties that don't necessarily have any malicious intent.[/QUOTE] It's not that easy, parties have to be ruled unconstitutional in the Federal Constitutional Court with a 2/3 majority (effectively 75% because there are eight judges) to be banned. The only two ways that's possible is if they threaten democracy or Germany's existence. The right to a fair trial is also pretty strict, which is why the court didn't judge the NPD's constitutionality in 2003.
I really hope they aren't being labelled Nazist simply for their views on territorial redrawing. It may not be a realistic or beneficial goal but I think that it is surely a legitimate concern that many German families that emigrated from former Prussia, Silesia, and Sudetenland would like to be voiced.
[QUOTE=Derubermensch;38843520]I really hope they aren't being labelled Nazist simply for their views on territorial redrawing. It may not be a realistic or beneficial goal but I think that it is surely a legitimate concern that many German families that emigrated from former Prussia, Silesia, and Sudetenland would like to be voiced.[/QUOTE]Any German that emigrated from those areas is at least 67-70 at this point, it's really not all that relevant in modern times; like how my country of Finland isn't pestering the Russians about Karelia and Petsamo. That, and considering the problems Germany had with reunification, getting the East up to speed and all that (as well as the current economic troubles); I doubt they want even more to sort out.
[QUOTE=Vasili;38834976]Its not a democracy if you ban parties, regardless of their political views. Democracy is a very grey political ideological point of view. Hitler didn't like democracy, he thought it made a nation weak and not a stable way to run a country as at the time of his political up rising there was around 21 parties in the Reichstag whom all didn't have enough power in parliament to get their ideas across. Communists don't like democratic processes either, will Germany ban those?[/QUOTE] Already done, the Kommunistische Partei Deutschland KPD (Communist Party Germany) was banned in 1953. The first try to ban the NPD was some years ago and failed because a lot of its leading members were actually informants for the Verfassungsschutz (german agency). The reasons for banning the NPD are the followings: 1. The NPD works for the abolishment of the free and democratic order (freiheitlich demokratische grundordnung). 2. Every political party in Germany is financially supported by the state. They get around 0.7€ per vote and some people think that Germany should not support a party that fights against the constition. 3. It's a reaction to the murderers of the NSU who were apparently supported by members of the NPD
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I think all the Nazi survivors from World War 2 should be put in the gas chamber and see how they like it.
[QUOTE=coldroll5;38844111]I think all the Nazi survivors from World War 2 should be put in the gas chamber and see how they like it.[/QUOTE] And that would make you better than them, how?
[QUOTE=coldroll5;38844111]I think all the Nazi survivors from World War 2 should be put in the gas chamber and see how they like it.[/QUOTE] But there are only a handful left and they're all like 90
[QUOTE=Derubermensch;38843520]I really hope they aren't being labelled Nazist simply for their views on territorial redrawing. It may not be a realistic or beneficial goal but I think that it is surely a legitimate concern that many German families that emigrated from former Prussia, Silesia, and Sudetenland would like to be voiced.[/QUOTE] It's not only about making Germany look like before 1939, the news article only counted a few of their goals. As far as I know they also want to make foreigners having to leave Germany. They aren't running through the streets yelling "Heil Hitler!", but you can clearly see they're Nazis. Every German knows that. [QUOTE=coldroll5;38844111]I think all the Nazi survivors from World War 2 should be put in the gas chamber and see how they like it.[/QUOTE] No, stupid and ignorant people like you should get thrown in gas chambers... Just so you know, even to Hitlers time not every German was a Nazi. And it was not the folks decision to put jews in working camps and gas and kill them. It was all Hitler's stupid idea and decision.
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