[QUOTE=AwpersAreBad;38832208]No love for any Nazis but just going to say you can't change the way someone thinks by telling them they can't think like that.[/QUOTE]
No but you can throw them in a giant ove- oh, wait, that won't work ether.
I wasn't talking about the Germans forced to fight and die by Hitler during World War 2. I was talking about the soldiers who voluntarily joined the SS before 1943 and the zyklon b throwers.
[QUOTE=coldroll5;38845127]I wasn't talking about the Germans forced to fight and die by Hitler during World War 2. I was talking about the soldiers who voluntarily joined the SS before 1943 and the zyklon b throwers.[/QUOTE]
I'm pretty sure most of those dudes are dead, and those who aren't probably will be soon.
That's the sad part millions of pow's and Jews died and most of the Nazis got away to live to a ripe old age.
[QUOTE=coldroll5;38845278]That's the sad part millions of pow's and Jews died and most of the Nazis got away to live to a ripe old age.[/QUOTE]
Only to be hunted down and killed by Moussad.
You're right about that but alot of the Nazis moved to Argentina and were hired during the cold war by the USA as scientists.
[QUOTE=coldroll5;38848970]You're right about that but alot of the Nazis moved to Argentina and were hired during the cold war by the USA as scientists.[/QUOTE]
The ones "hired by the USA" were not Nazis. Just because they worked for the Nazis don't mean they were part of the party nor followed their ideology.
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[QUOTE=Emperor Scorpious II;38832759]I think removing [b]threats to democracy[/b] through democracy is alright if the reasons are plainly beneficial, as in this case.
Though I hope it's a lot more complex to ban a party just by having a vote in their parliament.[/QUOTE]
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National[b]demokratische[/b] Partei Deutschlands – Die Volksunion
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Hmm....
[QUOTE=Scrappa;38849841]Hmm....[/QUOTE]
Yes and North Korea is a Democratic People's Republic. Do go on.
while fascists use democracy as a means to their awful end, they aren't democratic
[QUOTE=Lonestriper;38849916]while fascists use democracy as a means to their awful end, they aren't democratic[/QUOTE]
it's democratic in the sense that they manipulate a majority to oppress a minority. i mean to some end that's what simple majority democracy is, but it's hardly in the spirit of diversity of political opinion.
[QUOTE=Scrappa;38849841]Hmm....[/QUOTE]Remind me again how the Democratic People's Republic of Korea is democratic or a people's republic just because it's got that in it's name.
EDIT: I need to refresh more often, dammit :c
[QUOTE=coldroll5;38845127]I wasn't talking about the Germans forced to fight and die by Hitler during World War 2. I was talking about the soldiers who voluntarily joined the SS before 1943 and the zyklon b throwers.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, they're all like 90 and shit dude, there's no fucking point nevermind the fact that you'd be no better than the people you intend to punish.
Fuck man a loud voice and an angry glare would probably be enough to give them a heart attack, it was over in the 40's just fucking drop it now.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;38849933]it's democratic in the sense that they manipulate a majority to oppress a minority. i mean to some end that's what simple majority democracy is, but it's hardly in the spirit of diversity of political opinion.[/QUOTE]
After fascists gain power through a democracy they destroy it. They aren't democratic beyond using political power to influence enough people to vote them into power (often not even into a majority) so they can leverage themselves into complete control. I wouldn't call that democratic, I'd just call it the process Fascists use.
[QUOTE=The golden;38832765]But on the other hand, nazi's/neo-nazi's or whatever the fuck you wanna call them are threats to democracy.[/QUOTE]
You really think it's a threat?
Don't you think it's going to be at least a little hard for a Nazi party to gain influence in a world where everyone knows what happened back then?
If you think Nazism is a threat then you really have absolutely no confidence in people at all. People can be retarded sometimes but not to the extend that they're suddenly going to convert back to Nazism.
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;38850311]If you think Nazism is a threat then you really have absolutely no confidence in people at all. People can be retarded sometimes but not to the extend that they're suddenly going to convert back to Nazism.[/QUOTE]
Have you heard of this place called Greece?
[QUOTE=Patriarch;38850325]Have you heard of this place called Greece?[/QUOTE]
Yes, because a party such as the Golden Dawn winning 6% of the seats in Parliament, on par with Communists and Euro-Sceptic Rightists is 'converting back to Nazism'.
Sometimes people talk as if the Golden Dawn was elected in the majority or something, but in terms of elected parties they're an extremely small minority if anything.
[QUOTE=Megafan;38850354]Yes, because a party such as the Golden Dawn winning 6% of the seats in Parliament, on par with Communists and Euro-Sceptic Rightists is 'converting back to Nazism'.
Sometimes people talk as if the Golden Dawn was elected in the majority or something, but in terms of elected parties they're an extremely small minority if anything.[/QUOTE]
yeah golden dawn aren't really [i]that[/i] relevant in greek parliament when you take into account all the other crazy fuck parties that have way larger majorities than them
there are parties that emerged from maoism for christs sake
[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;38850311]If you think Nazism is a threat then you really have absolutely no confidence in people at all. People can be retarded sometimes but not to the extend that they're suddenly going to convert back to Nazism.[/QUOTE]
Fascism breeds in instability and there will never be a guarantee that the instability which spawned Mussolini, Franco and Hitler will not happen again. I'd rather be sure and step on some Fascists feet than be unsure and allow them to gain power again
I think Germany is too bat-shit scared of anything that threatens their democracy, even by a little bit. By law, all these neo-Nazis could be arrested just for using the term "neo-Nazi" outside of an educational context. The laws surrounding what you can and cannot say referring to the Nazis are completely absurd. It's been almost 70 years; when will it be long enough removed that you will no longer have to worry about things like this?
[QUOTE=Scrappa;38849841]Hmm....[/QUOTE]
Lets take a look back at history:
DDR = Deutsche Demokratische Republik = German Democratic Republic
Did the Russians make East Germany a democracy? No, it's just a title.
[QUOTE=RichyZ;38832070]on one hand, its restricting freedom of thought
on the other hand
[B]they're fucking nazis[/B][/QUOTE]
And therefore have absolutely no power. So end of story, you don't restrict freedom of thought.
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