• Russian tv crew offered money to youths in Sweden to cause trouble in front of camera
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[QUOTE=RB33;51925834]That's not true at all. [B]The US would be such an example.[/B] We're terrible at integration, not everything said by the right about Sweden is a lie.[/QUOTE] Not in this universe.
[QUOTE=Tudd;51925276]Interesting but all evidence so far points to this being a unique case. Maybe people can investigate more if this happens often, but Sweden still has problems to deal with regarding immigration and integration.[/QUOTE] Oh you sure are laser focused on that huh even when the evidence points to the contrary.
[QUOTE=Dom Pyroshark;51925839]Not in this universe.[/QUOTE] Don't immigrants to America start identifying as Americans and feel patriotic to their new country?
[QUOTE=RB33;51925850]Don't immigrants to America start identifying as Americans and feel patriotic to their new country?[/QUOTE] And that doesn't happen in Sweden? Also something tells me it's hard to feel patriotic about country that chooses Annoying Orange as their leader.
[QUOTE=Dom Pyroshark;51925859]And that doesn't happen in Sweden?[/QUOTE] As a swede I can vouch for this.
[QUOTE=Dom Pyroshark;51925859]And that doesn't happen in Sweden?[/QUOTE] Not anywhere close to the US, immigrants are often unemployed and live isolated from Swedes. So, integration efforts are not always successful. The US is more effective in integration, I would say.
I do feel patriotic, not because we elected Annoying Orange as our "Leader" (read: spokesperson) but because every day I read more and more that the nation at large and several major branches of the government itself are refusing to cooperate with his nonsense.
[QUOTE=Dom Pyroshark;51925859]And that doesn't happen in Sweden? Also something tells me it's hard to feel patriotic about country that chooses Annoying Orange as their leader.[/QUOTE] What does Swedish patriotism look like? We all know what stereotypical American patriotism looks like through American media, I know personally what Manx and British patriotism looks like. Different countries have different ways of expressing love for their nationalities. The most I know of Swedish patriotism comes from a few youtubers and that's it. Anyone can learn to be a patriot of a new country but that might be completely opaque to a third party foreigner who doesn't know what that adopted patriotism looks like. I think the only people who can truly judge how a migrant is integrating is a person living where that migrant has moved to.
[QUOTE=Hick2;51925905]What does Swedish patriotism look like? We all know what stereotypical American patriotism looks like through American media, I know personally what Manx and British patriotism looks like. Different countries have different ways of expressing love for their nationalities. The most I know of Swedish patriotism comes from a few youtubers and that's it. Anyone can learn to be a patriot of a new country but that might be completely opaque to a third party foreigner who doesn't know what that adopted patriotism looks like. I think the only people who can truly judge how a migrant is integrating is a person living where that migrant has moved to.[/QUOTE] I will only speak for me now, not for any of my countrymen. But I don't think Swedish patriotism exists anymore outside the more extreme right or proud immigrants. Average Swedes don't really feel patriotism, only those feeling a need for it. Such as immigrants proud of becoming a citizen. There have been lots of lessening the use of national symbols in fear of overdoing it but there is no more use here than any other country, really.
[QUOTE=Scarabix;51925190]I admit I fell for the sweden yes! meme some times. I doubt it's just russia putting out all of this disinfo at this point. I do remember RT's bogus segment some days ago, and this just in, fuck RT. I have had it with these cunts straight up fabricating information. Every day these stinkpieces go uncensored is an insult to trustworthy newspapers. If I see one more asshole on the streets rambling about George fucking Soros of all people or the ever so elusive "no go zones" I'll dropkick a bitch.[/QUOTE] It's funny you say that, I was looking for a particular article on RT and the ad at the bottom of the page was literally a picture of Putin with animated swirly hypno eyes. [t]http://i.imgur.com/F438v00.jpg[/t] I mean COME THE FUCK ON, you can't make this shit up. :v:
[QUOTE=Riller;51925718]To add to this, Berlinske is one of the more conservative Danish news-companies. Not outright [I]anti-immigration[/I] or anything, but they tend to be some of the ones with the sharp, critical tone towards it. Certainly not ones to push a pro-immigrant agenda just for the sake of it.[/QUOTE] Personally I think the largest difference between our two cardinal newspapers lie mostly in their choice of op-ed writers. And well, their coverage to some extent, but I would say both are very much factual papers. Either way, radio 24syv is definitely trustworthy, and a really good radio station to boot.
[QUOTE=RB33;51925939]I will only speak for me now, not for any of my countrymen.[B] But I don't think Swedish patriotism exists anymore outside the more extreme right or proud immigrants.[/B] Average Swedes don't really feel patriotism, only those feeling a need for it. Such as immigrants proud of becoming a citizen. There have been lots of lessening the use of national symbols in fear of overdoing it but there is no more use here than any other country, really.[/QUOTE] I mean, maybe that is the (hypothetical) difference between America and Sweden. American patriotism is very well known and the particular brand of nationalism that is demonstrated most popularly is a sort of "melting pot" where we see several cultures coming to one country to make their own way as a strength. I don't want to sound out of place, but talking to Swedes I know there really isn't the same sort of interpretation, and the concept of a nationalistic pride more often than not comes down sharply along ethnic or racial lines. The default assumption is that if you are a nationalist, you don't like foreigners at all, and if you are a foreigner, you can't [I]really [/I]be Swedish. I've seen threads on FP about Swedish criminals (as in, legally recognized as Swedish nationals) where people will rush in and say "He isn't Swedish, he is Somalian" or something to that effect. Granted, it's been awhile since it's happened, and its a very narrow observation, but I would never expect that to be said about, say, a Somalian immigrant to America. [editline]7th March 2017[/editline] I don't want to paint Sweden with a broad brush or anything so please correct me if I'm wrong in any way, Swedes.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;51924995] Just at this moment I can recall the submarine hunt, in which RT claimed that we were just chasing a small wooden boat. They even sourced our military, the same military source that reported we actually did find submarine tracks on the seabed. [/QUOTE] Oh man, does anyone have a source for this. My dad's Russian and eats up everything RT says even tho he insists he can see through them. I'd really appreciate a good source
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51926121]I mean, maybe that is the (hypothetical) difference between America and Sweden. American patriotism is very well known and the particular brand of nationalism that is demonstrated most popularly is a sort of "melting pot" where we see several cultures coming to one country to make their own way as a strength. I don't want to sound out of place, but talking to Swedes I know there really isn't the same sort of interpretation, and the concept of a nationalistic pride more often than not comes down sharply along ethnic or racial lines. The default assumption is that if you are a nationalist, you don't like foreigners at all, and if you are a foreigner, you can't [I]really [/I]be Swedish. I've seen threads on FP about Swedish criminals (as in, legally recognized as Swedish nationals) where people will rush in and say "He isn't Swedish, he is Somalian" or something to that effect. Granted, it's been awhile since it's happened, and its a very narrow observation, but I would never expect that to be said about, say, a Somalian immigrant to America. [editline]7th March 2017[/editline] I don't want to paint Sweden with a broad brush or anything so please correct me if I'm wrong in any way, Swedes.[/QUOTE] You're right, patriotism is thought as the same as nationalism and as a ethnic Swedish-centric belief (even if that isn't the case). As those things are the opposite to common Swedish values such as multiculturalism. Because of that, I think that patriotism is dismissed and avoided by many people. I think most of Europe would believe that about criminals, if they have recently come here. Europe has not historically had an immigration tradition.
[QUOTE=Radical_ed;51924941]Russia influencing public perception in sweden to promote donald trump :incredible:[/QUOTE] :bullshit:
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;51924905]oh so that's why fuck[/QUOTE] no party in the swedish parliament has a positive view of russia however, so this sounds like a bunch of bullshit
[QUOTE=Swebonny;51924865][url]http://www.radio24syv.dk/udvalgte-nyhedshistorier/russian-tv-crew-offered-money-to-youths-in-sweden-to-cause-trouble-in-front-of-camera/[/url] Still a bit unclear, but likely true. Few weeks ago a Russian show inflated murder rate by like 5 times in a Swedish city. We've been under a propaganda attack for some time now.[/QUOTE] one wonders if they'll do that here given how trump seems to believe we have a massive national crime problem (we don't)
[QUOTE=Raidyr;51926121]I mean, maybe that is the (hypothetical) difference between America and Sweden. American patriotism is very well known and the particular brand of nationalism that is demonstrated most popularly is a sort of "melting pot" where we see several cultures coming to one country to make their own way as a strength. I don't want to sound out of place, but talking to Swedes I know there really isn't the same sort of interpretation, and the concept of a nationalistic pride more often than not comes down sharply along ethnic or racial lines. The default assumption is that if you are a nationalist, you don't like foreigners at all, and if you are a foreigner, you can't [I]really [/I]be Swedish. I've seen threads on FP about Swedish criminals (as in, legally recognized as Swedish nationals) where people will rush in and say "He isn't Swedish, he is Somalian" or something to that effect. Granted, it's been awhile since it's happened, and its a very narrow observation, but I would never expect that to be said about, say, a Somalian immigrant to America. [editline]7th March 2017[/editline] I don't want to paint Sweden with a broad brush or anything so please correct me if I'm wrong in any way, Swedes.[/QUOTE] Thing is the difference between Sweden and America is huge, i think in the US/Canada your look or name does not really matter and people will not judge you for it, if course it happens but i don't think it's common like it is in Sweden. Here, if your brown you might be a criminal, a potentional rapist or just a bad person and it happens automatically. This might sound stupid but this is how i feel as a person who is not originally from Sweden What's shitty about the whole situation is the few idiots who commits crimes will represent every single immigrant / none ethnic Swedes.
[QUOTE=CreeplyTuna;51926244]Oh man, does anyone have a source for this. My dad's Russian and eats up everything RT says even tho he insists he can see through them. I'd really appreciate a good source[/QUOTE] [B]Sweden confirms mystery ‘Russian sub’…was in fact a workboat [/B] [URL]https://www.rt.com/news/249109-sweden-submarine-hunt-workboat/[/URL] From our military, about a confirmed submarine. [URL]http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/aktuellt/2014/11/bekraftad-ubat-i-stockholms-skargard/[/URL] I guess you could give RT a bit of slack because of the number of reports that came in. One of them was indeed about a workboat that we first mistook for something more serious. But as the title of the article I linked suggests they're quite keen on making sure that we didn't find anything, while we actually did.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;51926932][B]Sweden confirms mystery ‘Russian sub’…was in fact a workboat [/B] [URL]https://www.rt.com/news/249109-sweden-submarine-hunt-workboat/[/URL] From our military, about a confirmed submarine. [URL]http://www.forsvarsmakten.se/sv/aktuellt/2014/11/bekraftad-ubat-i-stockholms-skargard/[/URL] I guess you could give RT a bit of slack because of the number of reports that came in. One of them was indeed about a workboat that we first mistook for something more serious. But as the title of the article I linked suggests they're quite keen on making sure that we didn't find anything, while we actually did.[/QUOTE] Thank you
Hey, I've seen plenty of people on this forum decrying muslims in Sweden. Do you think any of you could confirm if you're being paid by Russians or not? I could open a poll.
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