Donald Trump Jr compares Syrian refugees to a poisoned bowl of Skittles - Polidicks

The fact that the alt-right are using the same analogy that they refuted against the analogy being used for men pretty much shows that they're a bunch of hypocrites. As if the anti-intellectualism in general doesn't say enough.

-snip- anyway my point being that jr's argument doesn't work regardless of the country the refugee is from

More like "3 out of 45,000 skittles will [i]ever-so-slightly harm you[/i]" because in this analogy apparently your [i]entire body[/i] is the fucking United States.

[QUOTE=geel9;51081921]More like "3 out of 45,000 skittles will [i]ever-so-slightly harm you[/i]" because in this analogy apparently your [i]entire body[/i] is the fucking United States.[/QUOTE] It's really just all around a very poor illustration for a complex issue, one that falls apart if you think about it for 5 seconds instead of immediately shitting yourself in fear.

[QUOTE=GoDong-DK;51080465]Trump jr had a major speech at the RNC, he isn't exactly irrelevant to the campaign. And now you're moving the goalposts - first BBC shouldn't comment, since they didn't comment on random nobodies on the internet, but now only Hexpunk's opinion matters. Nice.[/QUOTE] There were no goal posts to move. There wasn't even an argument to be had. And why did you tell me this after 2 people already posted the same thing? [QUOTE=hexpunK;51080474]Gotta work GG in there as the victims too somehow. Don't forget that. Despite it not being relevant to this discussion at all.[/QUOTE] Oh there it is, that GG hate of yours. You are unbelievably predictable. I knew the only reason you even replied to me at all was because I mentioned GG.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;51082196]Oh there it is, that GG hate of yours. You are unbelievably predictable. I knew the only reason you even replied to me at all was because I mentioned GG.[/QUOTE] imagine being this angry someone disagrees with a video game movement.

[QUOTE=catbarf;51078990]Really? It's a rhetorical analogy. People don't get bent out of shape at the analogy of a bad apple spoiling the bunch when it's frequently applied to police, because it's understood that it's illustrating a general concept idiomatically and not [I]actually literally[/I] comparing people to fruit. The issue Europe is currently facing with extremists hiding among refugees demonstrates that there needs to be a vetting system in place, but with so many refugees having no documentation and coming from countries in disarray it's pretty much impossible to externally verify much. This is a legitimate problem, not unfounded 'gotta keep those dirty brown people out' xenophobia.[/QUOTE] Problem with this equivalency: People don't say the solution to bad police is abolishing the police.

[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;51081516]Statistically speaking, you'd need 45,000 "skittles" in that bowl to have three "poison" ones. Pretty big bowl.[/QUOTE] By what measure? Because by all means sunni muslims are the most reactionary and incompatible with the west, the most hostile to socialism and Arab nationalism, the source of anti modernist sects like salafism and Wahhabism, and are tribe focused sectarians influenced by the likes of Saudi Arabia. They're also the ones that probably have the biggest beef with western empires and will never be democratic or liberal, at least as long as the gulf monarchies are around. All you have to do is look at the failures of the Arab spring to see how bullshit that number is. Syria is just the finest example for God's sake and it's the namesake for refugees

[QUOTE=Conscript;51082399]By what measure? Because by all means sunni muslims are the most reactionary and incompatible with the west, the most hostile to socialism and Arab nationalism, the source of anti modernist sects like salafism and Wahhabism, and are tribe focused sectarians influenced by the likes of Saudi Arabia. They're also the ones that probably have the biggest beef with western empires and will never be democratic or liberal, at least as long as the gulf monarchies are around. All you have to do is look at the failures of the Arab spring to see how bullshit that number is. Syria is just the finest example for God's sake and it's the namesake for refugees[/QUOTE] but the vast majority of people fleeing from syria are running from government forces which have leveled their homes and shot their families. the areas held by isis don't generally see people fleeing because they're executed if caught or killed in crossfire between government, isis, militant and coalition forces

[QUOTE=Raidyr;51080897]Statistics are inherently dehumanizing but the nice thing about statistics is that they paint in accurate picture, unlike Trump Jr's absurd illustration where humans are skittles and the bad skittles are arbitrarily three out of an entirely random amount. It exists so people who already agree can say "really makes you think man wow" before you actually think and realize you are being played. [/quote] I guess I view it as inherently dehumanizing to be reduced to a number. Though, the point that solid statistics have a use beyond serving to dehumanize those being considered, whereas the faux statistics do not, is a good one. [quote] No shit? Who disagrees with this?[/QUOTE] The actions of some European politicians, letting in far more refugees then they have the resources to handle and without proper vetting, seems to strongly disagree with this concept. [QUOTE=cis.joshb;51082349]Problem with this equivalency: People don't say the solution to bad police is abolishing the police.[/QUOTE] Because people understand the police are necessary for society to function; accepting refugees into the country isn't necessary. Which, mind, is true even with the moral standpoint of well off countries should help the refugees; there's nothing stopping the establishment of safe zones for the refugees in those war torn countries.

As much as I dislike Trump, he had a point there. In Malaysia, Tuberculosis and other vaccinated disease cases are on the rise, ever since we are accepting refugees. It's the all time high now. It only took 1 person to infect god knows how many others. I'd say these refugees thingies need to be regulated more, instead of opening up all doors for them.

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51081212]Hey hold on there. Migrant and refugee are two different things. Refugees are people escaping the Syrian war, but economic migrants are people who are escaping stable countries, like sudan or nigeria, and coming to germany/sweeden/etc because word got around in north africa that germany was just letting everyone in after merkel made such a big deal out of her open boarders policy, and handing out shit to whoever "needs" it. [/quote] I agree that nigerian refugees have nearer places to seek asylum but I would hardly call nigeria stable. Remember that whole boko haram thing? Entire villages getting wiped out? I won't blame you if you didn't know about it since its not covered in the media beyond a few people trying to look good with the #bringourgirlsback hashtags. And Sudan? Is that really the best example? There is still regular violence there. Why didn't you pick a more stable pair of countries to base your argument on? [quote] One is a group of downtrodden people trying to escape war, the others are people who are sprinting towards greener pastures, and taking advantage of unpragmatic policy by Merkel. Some want a better standard of life and want to fight for it, others just want a free welfare ticket. [/quote] Ding ding ding! Merkel mention! Refugees were coming to europe long before she announced her policy. Do these "economic migrants" of yours have access to time travel or premonition? [quote] I got a buddy from Nigera who told me about this. And i'm willing to say a ballpark 2/3rds are just after the handouts.[/quote] Your ballpark figure is wrong. Sorry! Check the stats somewhere on this page. I agree some come here for jobs/work/better opportunities for their kids but most come from shitholes which are legit places to claim refugee status from. [quote] This is a genuine problem and saying "it's a narritive by the racists that the syrian refugees are lazy freeloaders" is an outright lie, and doing exactly what you're accusing people of doing. Come on man, don't do that[/QUOTE] Nope it is. It might have been adopted by other, none racists. But it originated as a means to dehumanise refugees and downplay their plight or attribute it to selfish greed. It helps you rationalise. I don't want to help these people but I feel bad because they are refugees and need help. Ah I know! They're economic migrants coming here to scrounge! Phew for a moment there I thought I would have to come to terms with the fact I care little about those people. I can blame the 1000s of drownings monthly in the Mediterranean on the people drowning rather than my government or myself. Nobody wants to feel like a bad person so they construct methods of justifying their thoughts and shifting blame. I'm not saying you're a bad person though. We all have our lil things, I push infront of people in the line rationalising it with "they were being indecisive and too polite so nobody was going to board the bus" and I offer people the last biscuit half heatedly in the vain hope that nobody will accept it. I also take more than my fair share of the nicest biscuits rationalising it with some past occasion where I got upstairs and there was nothing left but plain digestives.

[QUOTE=Trilby Harlow;51081212]I got a buddy from Nigera who told me about this. And i'm willing to say a ballpark 2/3rds are just after the handouts. This is a genuine problem and saying "it's a narritive by the racists that the syrian refugees are lazy freeloaders" is an outright lie, and doing exactly what you're accusing people of doing. Come on man, don't do that[/QUOTE] i got a buddy from logic and reasoning who told me about this. And i'm willing to say that a ballpark 100% of your post was anecdotal garbage - considering there is a chart posted on this very page that shows over half the refugees coming from Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan

It looks like the photo from the bowl of skittles was actually used without permission - [URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37421886"]and was made by a former refugee.[/URL]

[QUOTE=NoOneKnowsMe;51083800]It looks like the photo from the bowl of skittles was actually used without permission - [URL="http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-37421886"]and was made by a former refugee.[/URL][/QUOTE] First, my serious response: well, that's a bit of a kick in the teeth isn't it? Shows that the Trump campaign really doesn't care where it sources its info from and is gleefully willing to do anything to prove themselves right. Good luck to the photographer. Non serious response: [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqj0rx-gorQ"]Isn't it ironic, don't you think? [/URL] IT'S LIKE RAINNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN ON YOUR WEDDING DAY

How do the domestic terrorists operate in this analogy? Are they the poisoned coffee hidden in the pantry?

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51084147]How do the domestic terrorists operate in this analogy? Are they the poisoned coffee hidden in the pantry?[/QUOTE] the domestic terrorists are the right colour of skittle so we don't mind getting poisoned by it

[QUOTE=Lambeth;51084147]How do the domestic terrorists operate in this analogy? Are they the poisoned coffee hidden in the pantry?[/QUOTE] Skittles that expire before the rest and grow mold on the inside, but look normal on the outside.

[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;51084169]the domestic terrorists are the right colour of skittle so we don't mind getting poisoned by it[/QUOTE] They're not terrorists or poisonous, they're just defective skittles just so happens that when people ingest them they get ill. Nothing anybody can do about it.

Skittles [I]are[/I] poisonous - long term that is. Too much sugar.

[QUOTE=BioWaster;51084386]Skittles [I]are[/I] poisonous - long term that is. Too much sugar.[/QUOTE] My dentist doesn't condone eating them.