Doctor withheld cancer diagnosis from trans man because he was transgender. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Sonador;47987118]Healthcare is a crapshoot financially.[/QUOTE] The current American system costs more than any other developed countries system and provides much less. If you use the government to force down prices in healthcare and education this would hardly be a problem.

Should be manslaughter charges if the person dies from cancer.

[QUOTE=Rangergxi;47987138]The current American system costs more than any other developed countries system and provides much less. If you use the government to force down prices in healthcare and education this would hardly be a problem.[/QUOTE] Couldn't agree more

[QUOTE=DaMastez;47987122]I don't understand why people are rating this post dumb. [/QUOTE] He made a good point, and he is entitled to his opinion. His opinion is still a shit opinion, even if he made a proper point, none the less, especially since his opinion is irrelevant to the point.

[QUOTE=Sonador;47987118]Healthcare is a crapshoot financially. It's ludicrously expensive to properly train and equip people to properly care for others comprehensively, and it's also very likely that poor and underprivileged are more likely to suffer health problems and injury. I think it makes sense for major economic/financial powerhouses such as the government to subsidize healthcare to ensure their citizens have reasonably affordable healthcare and that being unfortunate enough to become severely injured or sick doesn't financially ruin them.[/QUOTE] The primary issue is that evidence-based healthcare has become the norm, and that evidence-based healthcare is fucking expensive especially with modern medicine becoming the way it is. The second problem is that training healthcare professionals like you said is also becoming ludicrously expensive, leading to enormous debt especially in middle class families. As a local example when I was first studying for my basic degree, fees per year were $6,000 + extras of around 1k or less, in private institutions you could pay a capitation fee (well, you literally had to, merit or no merit) to join if you hadn't got enough marks at the school level, which at the time was about $32,500 in most places. Fees and the illegal capitation charges are now triple this. And in a country where the average income is $500 a month per person in an average middle class household, and others who earn even less than this, you can imagine how crushing this sort of debt can become. As a direct result of this, most doctors are only interested in finding means of getting out of this large debt. Several of them are ashamed at having to push questionable means of earning cash to clear debts but there are many more who don't care and just want to become financially settled. This is usually where the 'fuck the poor' attitude starts creeping into the profession because to them, it's not financially viable to help people who can't afford to pay for their time and services (afford being a key word here because consultation fees in general seem to have doubled to $5/visit rather than the $1.50-2 that it used to be seven or eight years ago. Fortunately I've not ended up in that trap; my family could more than afford to put me through college and even my postgraduate education, when that time comes, can be easily funded, so I've been able to concentrate on what I do best; attempting in my small way to help the less fortunate where I can by recommending discounts, getting them medicines, participating in the weekly camps to provide free treatment and consultation, and so forth. Even this is riddled with pitfalls because of the way things work; at my level you're not supposed to overstep your authority in a large hospital environment. If you're even suspected of doing so, the best you can hope for is a stern talking to and they'll never trust you again, at worst you might even find yourself out of a job if you really went over peoples' heads, especially those of your immediate superiors. The likes of me have always hoped that some day, healthcare will become a fundamental, inalienable right of even the very poorest, no matter what illness they end up with or what accidents have maimed them, but with the way our world's gone, with dollars and cents becoming the new gods, I fear this may be a pipe dream for good and all.

I hope they withhold his medical licence because he's an asshole

[QUOTE=DaMastez;47987122]I don't understand why people are rating this post dumb. I presume it's because of "Despite my Stance on Trangenderism". If so, I think you are missing the point. Everyone is entitled to their opinion; what someone believes is irrelevant, it is how those beliefs shape their actions that matter. For example, if someone says they don't believe in abortion, no one should "take offence" regardless of if you agree or not; if someone says they don't believe in abortion and abortion should be banned, then you can because their actions, driven by their beliefs, are impacting other people. This is a key distinction to make. Plenty of people don't believe in abortion but aren't trying to ban others from being able to do it. Glaber's point is something I think we can all agree with; the action they purport is one of equality. That is all that should matter.[/QUOTE] being unsure if transgenderism is valid or not isn't an opinion because it merits no positive consequence of any kind. here's an opinion: tea with some honey is nice not an opinion: kill all poofs and browns 'cos they're taking our jobs oi

[QUOTE=Ownederd;47987802]being unsure if transgenderism is valid or not isn't an opinion because it merits no positive consequence of any kind. here's an opinion: tea with some honey is nice not an opinion: kill all poofs and browns 'cos they're taking our jobs oi[/QUOTE] Since when do opinions need to merit positive consequences?

[QUOTE=arbio22;47987815]Since when do opinions need to merit positive consequences?[/QUOTE] if it isn't based in reality then is it really worth having

[QUOTE=Ownederd;47987819]if it isn't based in reality then is it really worth having[/QUOTE] I'm afraid I don't follow. Glaber's original post implied he had a negative view on transgenderism. I don't see how that's not an opinion.

It has zero bearing on his argument??? "Look, even if I think trangenderism is wrong, human beings have rights and this is out of line" is the message I got from that it doesn't matter what you think of his position on the former, the point he is making is the latter and he is using it as a bridge for outreach

[QUOTE=arbio22;47987856]I'm afraid I don't follow. Glaber's original post implied he had a negative view on transgenderism. I don't see how that's not an opinion.[/QUOTE] and having a negative point of view on transgenderism isn't a valid opinion that's worth putting up as relevant.

seems relevant enough to me, the thread subject is someone who disliked trangenderism wanted a transgendered person dead, and someone replied implying they disliked trangenderism but don't want them dead

[QUOTE=DaMastez;47987122]I don't understand why people are rating this post dumb. I presume it's because of "Despite my Stance on Trangenderism". If so, I think you are missing the point. Everyone is entitled to their opinion; what someone believes is irrelevant, it is how those beliefs shape their actions that matter.[/QUOTE] Of course he's entitled to his opinion. On the other hand, I, along with everyone else who rated the post dumb, am also entitled to [i]my[/i] opinion that his mentioning of his stance on transgenderism was dumb as it served no real purpose. I am also entitled to convey that opinion by clicking a brown box beneath his post instead of derailing the thread with a reply.

[QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;47987910]Of course he's entitled to his opinion. On the other hand, I, along with everyone else who rated the post dumb, am also entitled to [i]my[/i] opinion that his mentioning of his stance on transgenderism was dumb as it served no real purpose. I am also entitled to convey that opinion by clicking a brown box beneath his post instead of derailing the thread with a reply.[/QUOTE] It does serve a purpose though? His post shows that even people who dislike transgenderism such as him wouldn't be as scummy as the doctor this article is talking about. You having the habit of automatically dumbing any post from people against transgenderism doesn't mean they're all meaningless.

[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;47986175]Can we please go back to banning people for rating threads like this winner? I know people are going to tell me I'm dumb for caring about ratings but I'm getting pretty sick of seeing forum members saying hooray to people being murdered because they are gay or trans or whatever, even if it's in the form of a 16x16 icon.[/QUOTE] What ever happened to "ignoring the trolls"?

[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;47988475]The thing is they aren't trolls, at least certain members I won't name who I know for a fact think gays and trans should die.[/QUOTE] On that note, I would like to think that bigfatworm is a troll as well, but I actually know someone in real life who thinks exactly like that. Unsurprisingly, he's an extremely conservative Catholic.

[QUOTE=Zero-Point;47981722]Strange that this all happens as people are fuming about transgender people with Caitlyn's recent transition, bitching about "HOW IS THIS BRAVE?!" and so on and so forth, without realizing the sort of society they have cultivated that ostracizes them in ways such as this.[/QUOTE] Well except that Caitlyn Jenner is rich and famous so she's probably not going to experience anything close to this.

Even if you thought that transgenders has psychological problems, wouldn't your first instinct still be "I should help them with their cancer, [I]then[/I] get them psychological help", not "This person has psychological problems, they should die." Thats borderline psychopathic.

[QUOTE=thelurker1234;47986866]Honestly after you take a look at socialized health care and how effective it's been for many of the countries that have employed it I have no idea how you could be against it besides "MUH NANNY STATE"[/QUOTE] I don't think you could afford a socialized healthcare in America. You do realize your taxes would rise quite significantly? I don't think many Americans would like that. Or you could trade a whole bunch of your nuclear aircraft carriers and what-not for the socialized system, but I don't think many Americans would like that either.

[QUOTE=Ownederd;47987802]being unsure if transgenderism is valid or not isn't an opinion because it merits no positive consequence of any kind. here's an opinion: tea with some honey is nice not an opinion: kill all poofs and browns 'cos they're taking our jobs oi[/QUOTE] This confuses me, considering he literally said "if you have a life threatening condition, you should be treated for it like anyone else", I don't know where you got the idea Glaber wanted to kill all transgenders. Or, if that isn't what you're implying, then what exactly does your "not an opinion" example have to do with my post? Also, I sort of agree with your first sentence, in that I would say the opinion does not necessarily have positive consequence, but nor does it necessarily have a negative consequence. That was the point I was trying to make (it's not what people believe that matters, it's how those beliefs impact their actions; how those beliefs impact other people), though I could have worded it better. [editline]17th June 2015[/editline] [QUOTE=gufu;47987512]He made a good point, and he is entitled to his opinion. His opinion is still a shit opinion, even if he made a proper point, none the less, especially since his opinion is irrelevant to the point.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Jimesu_Evil;47987910]Of course he's entitled to his opinion. On the other hand, I, along with everyone else who rated the post dumb, am also entitled to [i]my[/i] opinion that his mentioning of his stance on transgenderism was dumb as it served no real purpose. I am also entitled to convey that opinion by clicking a brown box beneath his post instead of derailing the thread with a reply.[/QUOTE] Thank you for the replies; I was legitimately curious as to the alternative point(s) of view, though I think my post ended up having a different tone due to poor wording on my part.

I don't understand how a person gets into this practice with that sort of thinking. I've heard of multiple paramedics, from males, that females would sometimes feel up the males lower privates to see if they're worth saving. It's really fucking fucked up how someone has training to save someones life, yet resort to such stupidly idiotic crap ideology

[QUOTE=DaMastez;47987122]I don't understand why people are rating this post dumb. I presume it's because of "Despite my Stance on Trangenderism". If so, I think you are missing the point. Everyone is entitled to their opinion[/QUOTE] Exactly, and we hold the opinion that his opinion is dumb, TADAA

[QUOTE=Rixxz2;47989591]Exactly, and we hold the opinion that his opinion is dumb, TADAA[/QUOTE] And I'm holding the opinion that you seem to be a little too hostile with that opinion of yours. But I suppose you have the right to be hostile about it, but then I will have the right to feel that that attitude is undesirable. We may as well stop it so that we won't be going back and forth with our rights to do whatever for an eternity.

[QUOTE=Skerion;47990326]And I'm holding the opinion that you seem to be a little too hostile with that opinion of yours. But I suppose you have the right to be hostile about it. We may as well stop it so that we won't be going back and forth with our rights to do whatever for an eternity.[/QUOTE] If someone's opinion is that someone else should die, I don't care. That's a bad opinion. Do you think having the opinion people should die is a good opinion? Is that your opinion about opinions? Because that's a bad one too.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47990340]If someone's opinion is that someone else should die, I don't care. That's a bad opinion. Do you think having the opinion people should die is a good opinion? Is that your opinion about opinions? Because that's a bad one too.[/QUOTE] I don't think the "i don't support transgenders" opinion is a necessarily good opinion. I think it's just what it is just like every other opinion.

[QUOTE=Skerion;47990383]I don't think the "i don't support transgenders" opinion is a necessarily good opinion. I think it's just what it is just like every other opinion.[/QUOTE] "All Jews must die" surely you think all opinions deserve respect?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47990340]If someone's opinion is that someone else should die, I don't care. That's a bad opinion. Do you think having the opinion people should die is a good opinion? Is that your opinion about opinions? Because that's a bad one too.[/QUOTE] Glaber's original post didn't say anything like that, though. In fact, quite the opposite. He said one's lifestyle shouldn't prevent them from getting treatment.

[QUOTE=_Axel;47990411]Glaber's original post didn't say anything like that, though. In fact, quite the opposite. He said one's lifestyle shouldn't prevent him from getting treatment.[/QUOTE] I know, I'm not trying to say anything about anyone. Just merely talking about the concept of opinions

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47990410]"All Jews must die" surely you think all opinions deserve respect?[/QUOTE] If by respect you mean the official meaning of it as equivalent to great admiration rather than the casual meaning which is just somewhat the same as being polite, then no, I don't think opinions necessarily "deserve" respect nor disrespect.