Doctor withheld cancer diagnosis from trans man because he was transgender. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;47989339]I don't think you could afford a socialized healthcare in America. You do realize your taxes would rise quite significantly? I don't think many Americans would like that. Or you could trade a whole bunch of your nuclear aircraft carriers and what-not for the socialized system, but I don't think many Americans would like that either.[/QUOTE] That hasn't stopped the United States before you know. We never paid for the war in Iraq, we just tacked it onto our debt (which costed a good few trillion dollars and didn't achieve a damn thing, we even cut taxes right around that time). Not saying we need to throw on more debt though. Optimally we'd have both of those to counter the current expenditure the US has. But I wouldn't quite say that there is huge opposition, because there's a lot of support for both of those as well, and with even republicans like Mitt Romney toying around with the idea of socialized health care I'm pretty sure eventually it will be a reality.

[QUOTE=Last or First;47986673]Isn't it the government's job to protect the lives of its citizens? Sure, you're not killing a foreigner or imprisoning a poor and/or mentally ill person by treating diseases, but it still saves someone's life. If a murderer vows "that's the only person I'm going to kill", is it okay to let them go because "oh, it's not like they're going to kill anyone else"? Because "it's just one person, and tax dollars aren't a charity"? Of course not. So why is it different when we're not killing or imprisoning someone in the process?[/QUOTE] Fundamentally the government's job is to cast society to a certain die. What that die is determines how it treats its citizens. In the case of Western society, we are afforded certain rights (many of which I agree with), you do not have the right to murder someone, or to steal from someone, to force someone to lie(free speech), etcetera. The right to life is one of these and that can be ignored when necessary and as the product of due process. So the government's job is not to protect the lives of its citizens universally so much as it is to protect them wherever they do not need to make an exception. Essentially what I'm saying, is that the government has the right to take any one of our lives, or let us die if necessary. Why would a government ever decide that someone would die? Simply because they have to consider everyone's rights and not just the individual's in question, it's why the government can't just stick a homeless person in your house in the winter, even though he might die otherwise. Private financing (charity and insurance) could potentially handle these periphery cases that would have no significant effects on the state, and thus be outside of the government's interests. Imprisonment is a form of punishment/threat control, sick people are not breaking the law (unless of course they are breaking quarantine or a comparable situation), therefore the state has no reason to punish them and any disadvantage they put sick people at is the product of due process. Just because they are not helping a certain group does not mean they are punishing them, the state's job is not to galvanize every citizen from any potential harm.

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;47989339]I don't think you could afford a socialized healthcare in America. You do realize your taxes would rise quite significantly? I don't think many Americans would like that. Or you could trade a whole bunch of your nuclear aircraft carriers and what-not for the socialized system, but I don't think many Americans would like that either.[/QUOTE] Well if you actually taxed certain corporations and stopped throwing away money with the military...

[QUOTE=Blind Lulu;47986175]Can we please go back to banning people for rating threads like this winner? I know people are going to tell me I'm dumb for caring about ratings but I'm getting pretty sick of seeing forum members saying hooray to people being murdered because they are gay or trans or whatever, even if it's in the form of a 16x16 icon.[/QUOTE] I went to the OP to see who had rated it winner after seeing this and when I clicked list it rated the OP winner :( Not sure if its because I'm on my phone or not, is there a way to change or remove ratings?

[QUOTE=kebabs;47991283]I went to the OP to see who had rated it winner after seeing this and when I clicked list it rated the OP winner :( Not sure if its because I'm on my phone or not, is there a way to change or remove ratings?[/QUOTE] Yeah, just refresh the page and you can re-rate. If you're on mobile, tap anywhere on the post and it should show the available ratings.

[QUOTE=MrWhite;47991309]Yeah, just refresh the page and you can re-rate. If you're on mobile, tap anywhere on the post and it should show the available ratings.[/QUOTE] Thanks!

[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;47990876]Fundamentally the government's job is to cast society to a certain die. What that die is determines how it treats its citizens. In the case of Western society, we are afforded certain rights (many of which I agree with), you do not have the right to murder someone, or to steal from someone, to force someone to lie(free speech), etcetera. The right to life is one of these and that can be ignored when necessary and as the product of due process. So the government's job is not to protect the lives of its citizens universally so much as it is to protect them wherever they do not need to make an exception. Essentially what I'm saying, is that they government has the right to take any one of our lives, or let us die if necessary. Why would a government ever decide that someone would die? Simply because they have to consider everyone's rights and not just the individual's in question, it's why the government can't just stick a homeless person in your house in the winter, even though he might die otherwise. Private financing (charity and insurance) could potentially handle these periphery cases that would have no significant effects on the state, and thus be outside of the government's interests. Imprisonment is a form of punishment/threat control, sick people are not breaking the law (unless of course they are breaking quarantine or a comparable situation), therefore the state has no reason to punish them and any disadvantage they put sick people at is the product of due process. Just because they are not helping a certain group does not mean they are punishing them, the state's job is not to galvanize every citizen from any potential harm.[/QUOTE] "Hi my names bigfatworm and I know what's going to be best for society, no one else does, please listen only to me and my definitions of government and humane treatment" and don't forget if they don't agree then; [QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;47957333]they simply lack a fully informed view of what's best for society.[/quote]

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47991330]"Hi my names bigfatworm and I know what's going to be best for society, no one else does, please listen only to me and my definitions of government and humane treatment"[/QUOTE] Forgive me for trying to have a comprehensive idea of the world around me.

[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;47991352]Forgive me for trying to have a comprehensive idea of the world around me.[/QUOTE] When you don't care what the arguments are against you, but you "know" you're right anyways, why would anyone take your "comprehensive idea" of how the world works seriously? And when you dismiss anyone based on the "fact" they [QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;47957333]they simply lack a fully informed view of what's best for society.[/quote] then any semblance or preamble of reason or fairness on your side is just non-existent.

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47991367]When you don't care what the arguments are against you, but you "know" you're right anyways, why would anyone take your "comprehensive idea" of how the world works seriously? And when you dismiss anyone based on the "fact" they then any semblance or preamble of reason or fairness on your side is just non-existent.[/QUOTE] I care, I just don't agree, also you've already amply displayed you can use a quote out of context.

[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;47991406]I care, I just don't agree, also you've already amply displayed you can use a quote out of context.[/QUOTE] So you wouldn't say that people who disagree with you are simply lacking a well informed view, well informed view being what you determine it to be?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47991488]So you wouldn't say that people who disagree with you are simply lacking a well informed view, well informed view being what you determine it to be?[/QUOTE] Well, some genuinely are, but not all certainly.

[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;47991524]Well, some genuinely are, but not all certainly.[/QUOTE] So you ARE acting like an arbiter of what's right and wrong on a factual basis?

[QUOTE=HumanAbyss;47991562]So you ARE acting like an arbiter of what's right and wrong on a factual basis?[/QUOTE] No.

Could you imagine waking up one day, deciding to register on a forum where no one shares your weird political/religious perspectives, and then argue vehemently day in and day out that everyone except you is wrong about everything? [I]I'm not sure what prompted me to have that thought.[/I] Speaking on topic though, this is exactly why healthcare needs to be a universal right, so that none of these awful people can go through med school thinking "I can't wait to get out there and put my personal beliefs ahead of the patient. If they don't like it, they can see another doctor." If you're not willing to provide the same treatment to everyone to the best of your extent, you're not a real doctor, and you should not be practicing.

[QUOTE=Rocket;47990619]We could have socialized healthcare for just a fraction of what we spend on "defense." But killing those evil brown people is more important, I guess.[/QUOTE] Currently we spend $2.8 trillion total on healthcare, defense is projected to be $598 billion this year. We could have socialized healthcare if our current system wasn't already pants-on-head retarded.

[QUOTE=Angry pepper;47982393]This man isn't a doctor, he's mentally unstable.[/QUOTE] Hateful and a strong believer in his own agenda - but probably not mentally unstable, no.

[QUOTE=paul simon;47992793]Hateful and a strong believer in his own agenda - but probably not mentally unstable, no.[/QUOTE] you have to be mentally unstable if you're the only link to telling someone [I]they have fucking cancer[/I] and you refuse to

[QUOTE=paul simon;47992793]Hateful and a strong believer in his own agenda - but probably not mentally unstable, no.[/QUOTE] don't ever get a medical license

[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;47990876]snip.[/QUOTE] You have very skewed views on society and severe lack of empathy.

[QUOTE=bIgFaTwOrM12;47990876]Fundamentally the government's job is to cast society to a certain die. What that die is determines how it treats its citizens. In the case of Western society, we are afforded certain rights (many of which I agree with), you do not have the right to murder someone, or to steal from someone, to force someone to lie(free speech), etcetera. The right to life is one of these and that can be ignored when necessary and as the product of due process. So the government's job is not to protect the lives of its citizens universally so much as it is to protect them wherever they do not need to make an exception. Essentially what I'm saying, is that the government has the right to take any one of our lives, or let us die if necessary. Why would a government ever decide that someone would die? Simply because they have to consider everyone's rights and not just the individual's in question, it's why the government can't just stick a homeless person in your house in the winter, even though he might die otherwise. Private financing (charity and insurance) could potentially handle these periphery cases that would have no significant effects on the state, and thus be outside of the government's interests. Imprisonment is a form of punishment/threat control, sick people are not breaking the law (unless of course they are breaking quarantine or a comparable situation), therefore the state has no reason to punish them and any disadvantage they put sick people at is the product of due process. Just because they are not helping a certain group does not mean they are punishing them, the state's job is not to galvanize every citizen from any potential harm.[/QUOTE] Your view of what a society should be is absolute shite and I'm very glad I don't live on the same continent as you.

Even though I don't support the transgender movement, I still don't see why you have to murder someone just because you don't agree with their actions.