Russia invades Ukraine. Roads and airports being blocked and occupied
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[QUOTE=mobrockers;44092320]Pretty much every country does this whenever anything looks like it might be remotely serious.[/QUOTE]
Yeh but I don't exactly imagine the British Government calling for French nationals to depart now, do you?
[QUOTE=Yuskolov123;44092418]Yeh but I don't exactly imagine the British Government calling for French nationals to depart now, do you?[/QUOTE]
why would they?
[QUOTE=gudman;44092387]I'm shit at technical and financial parts of English, but you guessed it correctly. It's how much is collected by taxes - yellow, and how much is distributed, including various supportive measures etc - blue.[/QUOTE]
Well, that figures. Though it seems as if almost the entire country relies on Kiev and the major industrial regions if it wants to finance itself.
[editline]1st March 2014[/editline]
[QUOTE=shian;44092430][IMG]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02838/Ukarine_compared_t_2838720c.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
You're comparing the biggest country in the world to a relatively large Eastern European country. That's sort of like comparing Slovenia to Germany and then being surprised Slovenia is inferior in all aspects.
[QUOTE=NoDachi;44092431]why would they?[/QUOTE]
That's my point? I wasn't specifying that ONLY when the British nationals are advised to leave, then shit is hitting the fan, I was saying it in relation to the fact only Britain has advised it's nationals to leave (to my knowledge).
[QUOTE=Yuskolov123;44092418]Yeh but I don't exactly imagine the British Government calling for French nationals to depart now, do you?[/QUOTE]
Not sure what you're getting at. The British Government is advising British nationals to leave the Ukraine, not French nationals.
[QUOTE=croguy;44092441]Well, that figures. Though it seems as if almost the entire country relies on Kiev and the major industrial regions if it wants to finance itself.
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This is indeed the state of Ukrainian economy.
When speaking of Russia and Ukraine, remember that Ukrainians sort of remember something big that happened before World War 2.
[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor[/url]
[QUOTE=Yuskolov123;44092486]That's my point? I wasn't specifying that ONLY when the British nationals are advised to leave, then shit is hitting the fan, I was saying it in relation to the fact only Britain has advised it's nationals to leave (to my knowledge).[/QUOTE]
so do you have a point or is this all meaningless noise
[QUOTE=Yuskolov123;44092486]That's my point? I wasn't specifying that ONLY when the British nationals are advised to leave, then shit is hitting the fan, I was saying it in relation to the fact only Britain has advised it's nationals to leave (to my knowledge).[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.rijksoverheid.nl/onderwerpen/reisadviezen/oekraine[/url]
Dutch government page advising Dutch citizens not to travel to the Ukraine, people already there to register with the consulate in case immediate evac is required and not to travel to the more unruly parts of the country. Not yet advising Dutch citizens to leave the country but pretty much almost there.
Oh well fuck
[quote]Ukraine Liveblog: unconfirmed report of shooting in Simferopol [url]http://t.co/cjlbw79HOs[/url]
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[quote]18.59 ACTING UKRAINIAN PRESISDENT SAYS RUSSIA WANTS FULL DESTABILISATION OF SITUATION IN UKRAINE - PARLIAMENTARY WEBSITE[/quote]
[quote]18.58 RUSSIAN PARLAIMENTARY SPEAKER TELLS UKRAINE'S LEADER MOSCOW COULD RESPOND MILITARILY IF UKRAINE USES FORCE AGAINST PEACEFUL CITIZENS IN EAST AND CRIMEA - URKAINE PARLIAMENT WEBSITE[/quote]
[url]http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/ukraine/10669670/Ukraine-live-Crimea-leader-appeals-to-Putin-to-help-as-Obama-warns-of-costs-to-Moscow.html[/url]
[QUOTE=gudman;44092500]This is indeed the state of Ukrainian economy.[/QUOTE]
I guess that's leaving them in a far sadder state of affairs even with the invasion taken out of equation. Then again, such criticism is a bit ironic considering Croatia is a miniaturized "better" part of Ukraine.
Russia's in the UN, right? Will something be done there?
[QUOTE=Disgruntled;44092608]Russia's in the UN, right? Will something be done there?[/QUOTE]
Russia will write an angry letter to itself
Seriously, when has the UN ever done anything useful to stop a war?
[QUOTE=Disgruntled;44092608]Russia's in the UN, right? Will something be done there?[/QUOTE]
"the united nations strongly condemns the actions of the russian federation"
league of nations 2.0
The UN literally wouldn't do anything because Russia's apart of the Security Council.
Any action from outside Ukraine and Russia will probably just be "Russia, please stop" and nothing else
Hello, UN, The Russian Federation votes that the UN not stop the Russian Federation's illegal invasion of Ukraine.
Fair enough russia godspeed etc
So what if Russia's crazy enough to try taking the rest of the Ukraine?
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;44092613]Russia will write an angry letter to itself
Seriously, when has the UN ever done anything useful to stop a war?[/QUOTE]
Back in Korea War, they played quite a major role.
Not so much now, after wearing their blue helmets.
[QUOTE=Disgruntled;44092660]So what if Russia's crazy enough to try taking the rest of the Ukraine?[/QUOTE]
We will learn whether or not anyone learned anything from WW2.
[QUOTE=croguy;44092581]I guess that's leaving them in a far sadder state of affairs even with the invasion taken out of equation. Then again, such criticism is a bit ironic considering Croatia is a miniaturized "better" part of Ukraine.[/QUOTE]
Still "better" off than Ukraine. And I don't see how that would be "criticism" on your part, more like stating obvious facts. Ukraine is fucked now. It has been fucked before, but now it's like absolutely irreparably fucked.
[QUOTE=Laserbeams;44092613]Russia will write an angry letter to itself
Seriously, when has the UN ever done anything useful to stop a war?[/QUOTE]
Lets count the number of major wars since its founding.
Zero.
The Permanent Members are the reason why the UNSC sucks at resolving conflict. Libya and the recent Congo rebellions were a nice change, but it's based upon USA, France, UK, Russia, and China getting an untouchable spot for nearly a century. You can't have a Permanent Member make an intervention resolution on itself.
[img]http://www.interpretermag.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/BhqClOFCEAErxPQ.jpg[/img]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/PyE9Tn0.png[/IMG]
[quote]1908 GMT: Just a few moments ago we carried an unconfirmed report that Russian troops had crossed the Chonchar peninsula into Zaporizhya, mainland Ukraine. Here’s more evidence:
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[QUOTE=croguy;44092686]The Permanent Members are the reason why the UNSC sucks at resolving conflict. Libya and the recent Congo rebellions were a nice change, but it's based upon USA, France, UK, Russia, and China getting an untouchable spot for nearly a century. You can't have a Permanent Member make an intervention resolution on itself.[/QUOTE]
isn't that the point?
to stop something like this turning into a shooting conflict between world powers?
[url]http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-12-putin-prepares-an-invasion/#1848[/url]
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19.00 The reaction to Putin's approval for military action is coming thick and fast now.
• From the EU - Catherine Ashton, foreign policy chief, says the unity, sovereignty and territorial integrity of Ukraine must be respected.
• From Nato - Anders Fogh Rasmussen says Russia must respect Ukraine's sovereignty, including with regard to troop movements.
• From the Czech president - Milos Zeman recalled 1968 invasion of Czechoslovakia and warned against creating "a deep ditch which cannot be filled for a generation."
• From the UK - David Cameron told Moscow there is "no excuse" for military intervention in Ukraine as he reiterated warnings that the "world is watching".
• From France - Francois Hollande urges the avoidance of "a highly dangerous escalation."
• From Germany - Angela Merkel said what is happening in Crimea was cause for concern.[/quote]
[QUOTE=gudman;44092676]Still "better" off than Ukraine. And I don't see how that would be "criticism" on your part, more like stating obvious facts. Ukraine is fucked now. It has been fucked before, but now it's like absolutely irreparably fucked.[/QUOTE]
Well, yeah, that's a given, but the condition of the Eastern nations is usually a different intensity of "fucked" and "doing sort of okay", Ukraine now being on the deep spectrum of "fucked". Though there's always a chance for it to rise out of the ashes in the far future, I guess. It suffered worse times.
[QUOTE=Turing;44091774]poland, slovakkia and baltic states are shitting their collective pants as it turns out that when russia attacks america doesn't give a shit and won't be protecting anybody
treaties dont mean shit[/QUOTE]
you'd think poland would learn by now
