Russia invades Ukraine. Roads and airports being blocked and occupied
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[QUOTE=mobrockers;44110909]I don't know. But risking all out war just can't be the best choice.[/QUOTE]
Except there is no risk of a war.
[QUOTE=Melnek;44110924]Except there is no risk of a war.[/QUOTE]
Okay then.
[QUOTE=Melnek;44110924]Except there is no risk of a war.[/QUOTE]
you are joking right?
[QUOTE=formatme;44110984]you are joking right?[/QUOTE]
Ukraine won't risk it, they cannot afford a war. Russia can.
"affordable" really isn't something that was considered much at the start of ...oh...I don't know... every war ever
[QUOTE=formatme;44110984]you are joking right?[/QUOTE]
There's no risk because it would mean everyone would be against Russia. Russia is just showing off its guns.
[QUOTE=laserguided;44110799]Does Gazprom win or lose? Their stocks are down 11% but gas prices are up by more than $2.[/QUOTE]Since their majority shareholder is the Russian government, I don't think they have to worry about a shareholder mutiny or the like.
[QUOTE=Killuah;44111007]"affordable" really isn't something that was considered much at the start of ...oh...I don't know... every war ever[/QUOTE]
Yes but Ukraine's government is literally going to default. They can't find the money for their May 25th election. They sure as hell wont survive a war, they'll have no gas and they'll have no chance. Why do you think they did not oppose Russian annexation of the Crimea, I dunno, yesterday.
[QUOTE=laserguided;44111030]Yes but Ukraine's government is literally going to default. They can't find the money for their May 25th election. They sure as hell wont survive a war, they'll have no gas and they'll have no chance. Why do you think they did not oppose Russian annexation of the Crimea, I dunno, yesterday.[/QUOTE]
They did oppose?
[QUOTE=mobrockers;44111034]They did oppose?[/QUOTE]
With what army? Because Russia now owns Crimea and no blood has been shed because of this.
[QUOTE=laserguided;44111041]With what army? Because Russia now owns Crimea and no blood has been shed because of this.[/QUOTE]
Just because they didn't respond by force doesn't mean they didn't oppose. They're not all warm and happy about the Russians taking Crimea you know..
[QUOTE=mobrockers;44111047]Just because they didn't respond by force doesn't mean they didn't oppose. They're not all warm and happy about the Russians taking Crimea you know..[/QUOTE]
By oppose I meant militarily oppose because all else seems to mean nothing.
[QUOTE=laserguided;44111059]By oppose I meant militarily oppose because all else seems to mean nothing.[/QUOTE]
Like you said they can't risk a military conflict, but I'm not so sure they won't if Russia continues like this.
This just in:
[QUOTE]Ukrainian Prime Minister Arseniy Yatseniuk says Ukraine will never give up Crimea to anyone, he is quoted as saying by Interfax.[/QUOTE]
[editline]3rd March 2014[/editline]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/zcWvXrW.png[/IMG]
Holy shit that's fucking NUTS
Wat
[QUOTE=laserguided;44110991]Ukraine won't risk it, they cannot afford a war. Russia can.[/QUOTE]
they cant but does not mean they wont try, they most defend their land. who knows a Russian solider can open fire and randomly kill some one and that starts some shit etc.
you guys know that ukrkiane allready accused russia of declaring war?
i think ukrkiane or russia going to war its a 50/50 right now, looks like its going to be close.
"hey guys, i have the best idea ever... lets build a fucking bridge"
I wonder how that went down
[QUOTE=laserguided;44111076]This just in:
[editline]3rd March 2014[/editline]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/zcWvXrW.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
is this serious
god damn russia is fucking nuts
[QUOTE=Araknid;44111187]is this serious
god damn russia is fucking nuts[/QUOTE]
It would be a 1.75mi bridge, and yes I think russia is serious and has absolutely no intention of backing down
snip, it's 1.75 mi apparently
[url]http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/03/world/europe/ukraine-tensions/index.html?hpt=hp_t1[/url]
"Amid escalating tensions that have raised fears of a conflict, Ukraine's new leaders accused Moscow of declaring war,
but Russian Prime Minister Dmitry Medvedev warned that blood could be spilled amid growing instability in the neighboring nation."
[QUOTE=formatme;44111133] who knows a Russian solider can open fire and randomly kill some one
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As they're known to do :v:
Seriously though, there isn't going to be war over this. Ukraine government won't risk it, because they know that the conflict will be regulated by other countries anyway and they won't have anything by the end of it but dead soldiers. Russian command won't risk it for the same reason, pretty much, nothing to gain from open conflict. There is [i]some[/i] possibility of war, but there always is.
I heard that Poland has set up military units along the borders to Ukraine.
[URL="http://mobile.news.com.au/world/russian-troop-invasion-encircles-crimeas-capital-as-ukraine-pm-declares-the-nation-to-be-on-brink-of-disaster/story-fndir2ev-1226843109609"]Source[/URL]
So, the facts on the ground are that Russia has gained 26,100 km2 of land. Was it worth it?
[QUOTE=laserguided;44111301]So, the facts on the ground are that Russia has gained 26,100 km2 of land. Was it worth it?[/QUOTE]
Seeing how no reports of firefights, worked out for russia thus far
[QUOTE=laserguided;44111076]This just in:
[editline]3rd March 2014[/editline]
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/zcWvXrW.png[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Wait how much distance is that between the two countries?
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4.5 kilometres (2.8 mi) to 15 kilometres (9.3 mi) wide and up to 18 metres (59 ft) deep.
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:v:
[QUOTE]Russia has vowed its troops will remain in Ukraine to protect Russian interests and citizens until the political situation has been "normalised".
Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov said Russia was defending human rights against "ultra-nationalist threats".
Russia is now in de facto military control of the Crimea region, despite Western condemnation of a "violation of Ukraine's sovereignty".
Ukraine has ordered full mobilisation to counter the military intervention.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26414600[/url]
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Ukraine has ordered full mobilisation to counter the military intervention.
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That doesn't sound good one bit.
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