Teen suspended for tweet critical of high school sports
125 replies, posted
MUH FEELINGS
Fuck that. If your sports team cant handle criticism then they shouldn't even be playing in the first place.
[QUOTE=James*;40583730]Well good for you, but surely entertainment is a vital part of being alive. Some people find it playing video games, others watching sports. To say sports has nothing of value is incredibly ignorant and disparages those who enjoy it.
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I also knew you'd find some way of working healthcare into your response
[editline]9th May 2013[/editline]
As if keeping people alive is the be all and end all[/QUOTE]
Oh no, what I said is true, I actually want to be developing software for hospitals, I love science and stuff like that but I'm not cut out to be a doctor, but I can program, so thats what I'm going to do, something that interests me, now whats sad is that the dallas cowboys are worth 10% of NASAs budget in 2012. That the government give PBS/NPR combined 445 million a year. That the government spends so little on education while time and again its shown that a better educated population is more successful.
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Honestly, I do respect the work professional athletes put into what they do, all the hours of work they put into bettering themselves, that they do work their bodies to and past their limit, sometimes injuring themselves in a way that removes them from their career. It is hard but worth it, but only to yourself, the government really should be funding education better, sports programs just simply aren't worth as much money as is put into them, although physical education is, but I'm keeping those separate for this discussion as funding for sports teams is usually JUST for the teams.
[QUOTE=viperfan7;40583911]Oh no, what I said is true, I actually want to be developing software for hospitals, I love science and stuff like that but I'm not cut out to be a doctor, but I can program, so thats what I'm going to do, something that interests me, now whats sad is that the dallas cowboys are worth 10% of NASAs budget in 2012. That the government give PBS/NPR combined 445 million a year. That the government spends so little on education while time and again its shown that a better educated population is more successful.[/QUOTE]
Government funding and so on is a different issue, as I mentioned with education, sports probably is over-prioritised. What you want to do is very noble, but again you have to recognise that a lot of people find sport enriches their lives a great deal, even if you personally don't see the appeal
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It's less about the effort athletes have to put in and more about the amount of enjoyment people get from watching them
[QUOTE=James*;40583983]Government funding and so on is a different issue, as I mentioned with education, sports probably is over-prioritised. What you want to do is very noble, but again you have to recognise that a lot of people find sport enriches their lives a great deal, even if you personally don't see the appeal[/QUOTE]
Ok I see whats going on here, we are going at this from 2 completely different directions. You're coming at this from a business perspective, I'm going at it from a completely education based perspective, in that case, you're right, supply and demand would give priority to sports due to american culture's affinity to it, but still, its gotten to the point where its affecting FAR more important things like NASA, funding for schools (government subsidies for post-secondary education as well, college and university fees are retarded in north america), and things like high school budget distributions being incredibly skewed towards sports, crippling the other programs. More funding should be pumped into every part of the education system, including physical education.
More funding goes to sports -> More interest in sports in lieu of interest in education -> more funding for sports
also doesn't help that generally physical strength = alpha status in packs, which is something we all strive for at some level due to human's social structure.
yay positive feedback loops ruining the education system
[QUOTE=viperfan7;40584027]Ok I see whats going on here, we are going at this from 2 completely different directions. You're coming at this from a business perspective, I'm going at it from a completely education based perspective, in that case, you're right, supply and demand would give priority to sports due to american culture's affinity to it, but still, its gotten to the point where its affecting FAR more important things like NASA, funding for schools (government subsidies for post-secondary education as well, college and university fees are retarded in north america), and things like high school budget distributions being incredibly skewed towards sports, crippling the other programs.
More funding goes to sports -> More interest in sports in lieu of interest in education -> more funding for sports
yay positive feedback loops ruining the education system[/QUOTE]
You're probably right, I've mainly been trying to explain why sports stars are paid so much.
I don't even see why sports requires so much funding giving the amount of revenue it generates by itself, it should be in the big teams' interests to provide their own grassroots funding.
[QUOTE=James*;40584088]You're probably right, I've mainly been trying to explain why sports stars are paid so much.
I don't even see why sports requires so much funding giving the amount of revenue it generates by itself, it should be in the big teams' interests to provide their own grassroots funding.[/QUOTE]
Just you came across as not informing but as justifying. But you are definitely right about why it gets so much money.
Another issue is that of sports scholarships meant only to get a student into a school to be put onto a sports team, schools really should be academics first, sports second, those scholarships leave too many kids without the skills to have a different career when they don't get drafted, there's only going to be so many people drafted onto pro teams, and those who don't are screwed out of finding success elsewhere due to them choosing classes not to get a career in that area, but because they know that they can get high marks in those classes easy to be able to stay on the team. Theres probably a better way to word that so I don't sound like I'm calling people who play sports idiots (sure lots of idiots who WANT to play sports, but those who do are usually intelligent enough to be able to concentrate on sports and still succeed in school) .
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Did we just have a sane debate on the internet, and in SH of all places, holy shit someone save this moment.
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[QUOTE=WeekendWarrior;40582395]You realise that sports teams do contribute an awful lot?[/QUOTE]
But to what end, a ton of things that they do is both to help and make their name more known, like Ronald McDonald house, yes, its a good thing, but it's purpose is to make the company more popular as well.
Not saying that pro sports' youth programs are bad and don't contribute, because who doesn't want to see a little kid happy, or a community helped out. Its just that its not out of pure altruism if that's the right word.
[QUOTE=Big Dumb American;40582707]School sport funding is ridiculous. My old school passed up a new computer lab in favor of a jumbotron for the football field. A jumbotron. For a high school football field. Fifty grand down the hole.[/QUOTE]
Opposite here. Most of the funding goes to the Arts department or science department. Sports is only funded by sports uniform purchases and school clothing which nobody buys. The sports equipment here is awful.
[QUOTE=viperfan7;40584121]Just you came across as not informing but as justifying. But you are definitely right about why it gets so much money.[/QUOTE]
I am justifying it in the sense that given sports produces so much revenue due to its popularity, it's only right that sports people as those responsible for creating it, are given their fair share. Of course you could disagree with that system but then that's a debate about capitalism not about sports.
[QUOTE=viperfan7;40584121]Another issue is that of sports scholarships meant only to get a student into a school to be put onto a sports team, schools really should be academics first, sports second, those scholarships leave too many kids without the skills to have a different career when they don't get drafted, there's only going to be so many people drafted onto pro teams, and those who don't are screwed out of finding success elsewhere due to them choosing classes not to get a career in that area, but because they know that they can get high marks in those classes easy to be able to stay on the team. Theres probably a better way to word that so I don't sound like I'm calling people who play sports idiots (sure lots of idiots who WANT to play sports, but those who do are usually intelligent enough to be able to concentrate on sports and still succeed in school) .
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Did we just have a sane debate on the internet, and in SH of all places, holy shit someone save this moment.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I disagree with the concept of sports scholarships, it's not something we get in the UK (to my knowledge) because our university sports are nowhere near as popular as those in the US. I don't know much about it but I assume you must also have the necessary academic credentials? Otherwise admitting people into academic institutions based purely on sporting ability seems incredibly stupid
[QUOTE=ROFLBURGER;40584284]Opposite here. Most of the funding goes to the Arts department or science department. Sports is only funded by sports uniform purchases and school clothing which nobody buys. The sports equipment here is awful.[/QUOTE]
See this isn't right either, I'm saying sports are over funded in the USA, but they shouldn't be under funded like that, for a lot of students its the only reason to go to school, or the only way that they can possibly get an education (via sports scholarships)
[QUOTE=N-12_Aden;40582752]Shit we were lucky to have a bloody scoreboard that works. I don't even think our school has had 50 fucking grand at one time.
Just curious but where the hell did this happen?[/QUOTE]
We didn't either, that was almost our school's entire annual tech budget! My dad was the district technology administrator, and he about ruptured when he found out where his budget had been allocated.
At my school a lot of emphasis was put on the football and track teams, but there was always at least a little left over for all of the other clubs and teams. With the encouragement, a friend and I created a whole new class for computer programming, and were the only two students in the class for the first semester. Now it's going strong, I hear.
And my school was also awesome in that you had to be very good academic-wise in order to stay on the team, so all throughout my P.E. classes I got to hang with kids that were genuinely cool, and not just cool because they happened to be on the football team. The leader of the football team one day near the end of the semester convinced the teacher to let us play football, and despite my objections and the fact that I was obviously a pip-squeak he tried to get me in the game by passing me the ball a few times.
It's amazing how much just a few simple limits on activities in sports can improve the entire school's atmosphere and make everyone happy.
[QUOTE=Doom64hunter;40583579]How does that make it completely different ends of the spectrum? They are both games where the goal is for your team to win.
The clubs are the core of the problem. They pay their players huge sums of money (which compared to what they actually achieve in their jobs, is far too high) so that they won't switch over to the competition.
The highest bidder wins in that dispute. And with the amount of money they can make off of people coming to watch the games, TV licenses, advertisements etc., it's bound to be very large numbers.
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One end of the spectrum involves sitting on your arse and pressing some buttons, the other end involves gruelling physical play. Literally incomparable.
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[QUOTE=viperfan7;40584121]
But to what end, a ton of things that they do is both to help and make their name more known, like Ronald McDonald house, yes, its a good thing, but it's purpose is to make the company more popular as well.
Not saying that pro sports' youth programs are bad and don't contribute, because who doesn't want to see a little kid happy, or a community helped out. Its just that its not out of pure altruism if that's the right word.[/QUOTE]
British football clubs often maintain close links to their local communities and usually have foundations aimed towards funding programmes for a plethora of areas; hospitals, helping underprivileged youth, fighting poverty etcetera. Most teams do make a concious effort to give back to their communities.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;40575392]It really is absurd. I feel bad for my sister's theater group in high school. They receive literally $0 in funding and have to pay for the rights to their plays and the materials to build it entirely out of pocket and/or fundraising, with the ticket sales barely being enough to buy the rights to the next play.
Meanwhile, the football team gets funding for just about anything they want. Why? Because sports.[/QUOTE]
The hilarious thing about the highschool I went to was how we always managed to go to states and sometimes nationals in literally every sport but football, but football was still fucking priority.
I graduated from Carroll ISD, which is considered to have the best Football team in Texas. Hell, our football team dyes their hair blond like Nazis cause were so elite (Not fucking joking).
When someone in one of my classes found out I hadn't gone to a football game at all, they told me to drop out/transfer somewhere else cause I didn't deserve to be there.
Had something like this been said at our school, that person could have been expelled I would believe. (Or atleast caused a significant riot to allow the school to punish them.)
I seriously believe sports are sometimes like the toddler's breeding ground for extreme nationalism and prejudice.
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Here's a pic of our football team during a pep rally.
[QUOTE=James*;40583100]It's called supply and demand genius, you won't get paid that much because no one wants to watch watch an angsty teenager play video games for two hours[/QUOTE]
what is esports
what are streams
there are plenty of people watching angsty teenagers play video games for hours on end
Okay, but clearly no one wants to watch this guy badly enough to pay him hundreds of thousands of dollars for it
It's like that episode of family guy, drive by arguments.
"I DISAGREE!"
Better go and arrest that man!
[QUOTE=James*;40586858]Okay, but clearly no one wants to watch this guy badly enough to pay him hundreds of thousands of dollars for it[/QUOTE]
True, you either need to be ridicolously good at specific games (esports) or have an entertaining personality (streams).
I just thought I'd point it out.
[QUOTE=LMFAO;40575451]holy fuck go outside more please, football can become a very high-paying career if you excel in it and are a very promising, skilled player. it isnt all just running around and throwing yourself at the other guy for funsiez.[/QUOTE]
The odds of getting a full athletic scholarship in football are ridiculously low, and go even lower factoring in for the pros.
Roughly 14,000 high schools have football teams with about 30-40 players per team.
There are 120 D1 colleges with 80 full scholarship slots each. FCS/1-AA, D-3, and NAIA can offer some financial assistance.
There are 32 pro teams with 53 roster spots each. Not including CFL or Arena Ball because I haven't looked up their pay.
So basically if you are in the top percentile of athletes you CAN have a decent 3-5 year career playing pro ball.
For the record I played for a team that didn't lose for 12 years, so I do love the game.
I'm all for sports in High School but they should really make it so that your academics are still a top priority. GPA pre-reqs need to be enforced more so.
[QUOTE=James*;40583785]I haven't mentioned anything to do with education or funding or anything like that, I agree that by the sounds of it sports are over-prioritised in schools. The focus in schools should be more on the health aspect rather than the competitive
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Okay so what is the alternative?[/QUOTE]
You keep state/federal funding out of the fucking "school budget". Pretty simple?
Also pretty much EVERYTHING is more important than running around with a ball. I can send out a Facebook message, get 20 guys together and we can start playing football. Want to start a team? Keep it as a club, fund-raise if you have to but treating sports as more important than curriculum is ridiculous.
I've been out of high school for several years, a few guys played on the community college football team but that pipe dream of playing as a professional died off pretty quick. You can go on and on about how it should be considered a valuable career path, and maybe it is for .0001% of the people that actually make it, but at my high school, they fired the culinary arts teacher, the computer programming teacher and the computer networking teacher since they were "disposable" all the while sending our football team out of state, charging a mere thirty dollars (which would hardly cover the hotel rooms) and the food that they ate for several days, all other expenses paid for.
Before James* says "Oh well those classes probably didn't have a demand". Do you really think culinary arts, the class where you get a grade for making delicious food and eating it afterwards was lacking in demand? In my experience, both networking and programming were ALWAYS full so don't spew your supply and demand bullshit.
[QUOTE=SnakeHead;40575344]This just highlights the ridiculous amount of importance most schools put on sports. IMO sports should have no place in schools other than to serve as exercise.[/QUOTE]
Hth thats fucking dumb, I know you guys are being reactionary and yes, there is a rather obsessive sports culture in a lot of schools, but sports programs in schools represent a legitimate career path for a lot of young athletically talented kids who would otherwise end up selling drugs to live or going nowhere with their lives.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;40592600]Hth thats fucking dumb, I know you guys are being reactionary and yes, there is a rather obsessive sports culture in a lot of schools, but sports programs in schools represent a legitimate career path for a lot of young athletically talented kids who would otherwise end up selling drugs to live or going nowhere with their lives.[/QUOTE]
As I said right above your post, everyone that had the pipe dream of making millions playing for their favorite team failed and are either working at McDonalds or working on roofs in 120 degree Arizona heat.
Rather than pretending that sports can be a valuable and legitimate career path, schools should focus on teaching kids to become "professional trainers" or pretty much anything other than a professional athlete. Making it into the "big leagues" is pretty much the equivalent of winning the lottery 10x over and at the end of the day, it's a game.
The reason why people are pissed is because everyone is getting fucked over because of it. Funding is going towards a game rather than keeping teachers on the payroll and often, schools value sports more than the education. No matter what you think about sports in schools, that's bullshit.
Hey man I wouldnt be going to college if it wasnt for athletic scholarships.Not because my grades are bad but because i wouldnt be able to afford it.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40592626]As I said right above your post, everyone that had the pipe dream of making millions playing for their favorite team failed and are either working at McDonalds or working on roofs in 120 degree Arizona heat.
Rather than pretending that sports can be a valuable and legitimate career path, schools should focus on teaching kids to become "professional trainers" or pretty much anything other than a professional athlete. Making it into the "big leagues" is pretty much the equivalent of winning the lottery 10x over and at the end of the day, it's a game.
The reason why people are pissed is because everyone is getting fucked over because of it. Funding is going towards a game rather than keeping teachers on the payroll and often, schools value sports more than the education. No matter what you think about sports in schools, that's bullshit.[/QUOTE]
Its not like winning the fucking lottery. You are completely focused on the "big leagues" - the world of athletics is huge. Theres always work that can be found in athletics.
This is like trying to say that theres no money in boxing because only floyd mayweather earns $60 million per fight - guys can make decent livings as sparring partners, undercard fighters, trainers etc.
Its no different in football. I'm not arguing that there isnt a serious problem with football culture in the US, I'm arguing that its fucking stupid and overly dramatic to say some shit like "sports should have no place in schools other than to serve as exercise" - some kids will NEVER do well at school because of their environment. Some of the US's best track and field stars were all pulled from low income areas, some of them never made it big, but most of them went on to have careers in athletics from it none the less.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;40593907]Its not like winning the fucking lottery. You are completely focused on the "big leagues" - the world of athletics is huge. Theres always work that can be found in athletics.
This is like trying to say that theres no money in boxing because only floyd mayweather earns $60 million per fight - guys can make decent livings as sparring partners, undercard fighters, trainers etc.
Its no different in football. I'm not arguing that there isnt a serious problem with football culture in the US, I'm arguing that its fucking stupid and overly dramatic to say some shit like "sports should have no place in schools other than to serve as exercise" - some kids will NEVER do well at school because of their environment. Some of the US's best track and field stars were all pulled from low income areas, some of them never made it big, but most of them went on to have careers in athletics from it none the less.[/QUOTE]
And honestly how many people end up at that point, or even to the point where they can afford a comfortable lifestyle (40-50K a year). 1%? And that's being generous.
Meanwhile, they're fucking over people who are actually trying to work in multimedia, which have a high demand and many high paying jobs.
[QUOTE=JaegerMonster;40592600]Hth thats fucking dumb, I know you guys are being reactionary and yes, there is a rather obsessive sports culture in a lot of schools, but sports programs in schools represent a legitimate career path for a lot of young athletically talented kids who would otherwise end up selling drugs to live or going nowhere with their lives.[/QUOTE]
Sports have value in schooling because they get students active and social, not because there's a slight chance that one kid might go on to make millions of dollars from it.
At any rate, the latter is an especially stupid reason to take it as seriously as we do and spend so much money on it.
[QUOTE=Daniel M;40592626]
Rather than pretending that sports can be a valuable and legitimate career path, schools should focus on teaching kids to become "professional trainers" or pretty much anything other than a professional athlete. Making it into the "big leagues" is pretty much the equivalent of winning the lottery 10x over and at the end of the day, it's a game.
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Most athletes I've met who are semi-pro train to become personal trainers anyway but that doesn't mean they should give up on trying to play professional sports. The sports sector is a vast and rapidly expanding industry, you can't just say to someone they won't make it when it's obvious that they can if they put the effort into it.
This is the second time that someone got in trouble for tweeting in kansas.
It's not my highschool but it's one very near mine.
So i just found out that my high school is number 2 in the state. It goes from 1-600. One is the worst.
Our principal actually diverted funds for other programs into the sports one, and the superintendent actually "misplaced" 5.3 MILLION DOLLARS.
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