• Doctors With Gay Bias Denied Meds, Man Says
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[QUOTE=Bat-shit;36169671]I don't know about the iron age dogmas, and I don't hold history in too high regard for some known reasons, but as far as nature goes there are males and females with genitalia that go together for evolutionary purposes. So in that sense, homosexuality, or just sexuality (which is weird and wide in humans) without having procreation in mind, is a bit of a moral controversy. Imo anyway.[/QUOTE] [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals[/url] It's natural, a shit ton of other species do it.
This is wrong the days that this guy missed his medication means that the HIV virus starts becoming resistances to it and now he might need to change medication to get the same effect out of his medication he was receiving. I really hope the doctor that denied him his rights now pays for the new medication until either he dies or the person that was denied rights and even then that won't be punishment enough.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;36169671]I don't know about the iron age dogmas, and I don't hold history in too high regard for some known reasons, but as far as nature goes there are males and females with genitalia that go together for evolutionary purposes. So in that sense, homosexuality, or just sexuality (which is weird and wide in humans) without having procreation in mind, is a bit of a moral controversy. Imo anyway.[/QUOTE] Why should it be? It's not like it's unnatural.
[QUOTE=inconspicious;36167627]That doctor needs euthanizing.[/QUOTE] jesus titty fucking christ do you ever stop making posts that promote religious people being weeded out for whatever obscure and anti-social reason you cling to? [B]edit:[/B] you are legitimately offensive to people, please stop it
[QUOTE=Ownederd;36169774]jesus titty fucking christ do you ever stop making posts that promote religious people being weeded out for whatever obscure and anti-social reason you cling to?[/QUOTE] There's no need to be upset, friend. (I'd prolly get banned for posting the image, so just imagine it please)
CourthouseNews is a blog that posts directly from the court documents. Notice how the blog post doesn't cover the other side of the story? That's because the hospital hasn't responded to the lawsuit yet. And no other news sites are covering the story.... hmm... So yeah, stop calling for the euthanization of the doctor based on a one-sided blog post.
[QUOTE=Rents;36169733][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals[/url] It's natural, a shit ton of other species do it.[/QUOTE] Yeah I know, that always baffles me. Would make a great argument against homos. But I'm not strictly against homos here. Not at all actually. I just think that it is A BIT of a moral controversy when SEX has an entire multi-million porn industry built around it, there's a shit ton of variety of sexual stuff two mouse-clicks away that people jerk off to on a daily basis or more, and the list goes on. It's quite significant if you think humans as just species like any other, except the stuff that we do and the things we say. You know?
[QUOTE=TonyP;36169195]These doctors should be ashamed. But for fucks sake stop sleeping with every guy on craigslist and especially without a condom. A guy I went to school with in 9th grade 7 years ago facebooked me and revealed he was bi and i was excited to hear that somebody else in one of my classes wasn't straight. 5 minutes later he's asking me to have oral sex with him. I told him he was nasty and blocked him. What's with people these days?[/QUOTE] How do you know he was sleeping with a bunch of guys? Were you one of them? [editline]2nd June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Bat-shit;36169868]Yeah I know, that always baffles me. Would make a great argument against homos. But I'm not strictly against homos here. Not at all actually. I just think that it is A BIT of a moral controversy when SEX has an entire multi-million porn industry built around it, there's a shit ton of variety of sexual stuff two mouse-clicks away that people jerk off to on a daily basis or more, and the list goes on. It's quite significant if you think humans as just species like any other, except the stuff that we do and the things we say. You know?[/QUOTE] Hes not saying we are animals, hes saying homosexuality is common in nature.
First I thought it was about gay doctors that were denied meds. Which would be horrible. This is however beyond horrible. Those doctors should not be allowed to be doctors no more. [QUOTE=Bat-shit;36169868]It's quite significant if you think humans as just species like any other, except the stuff that we do and the things we say. You know?[/QUOTE] How so? We're just animals, we just do what we're supposed to do. Live, do what we need to live and do things whilst we live when our primal needs are met, and then a good portion of us brings new generations to do the same thing. [QUOTE=Bat-shit;36169671]I don't know about the iron age dogmas, and I don't hold history in too high regard for some known reasons, but as far as nature goes there are males and females with genitalia that go together for evolutionary purposes. So in that sense, homosexuality, or just sexuality (which is weird and wide in humans) without having procreation in mind, is a bit of a moral controversy. Imo anyway.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Bat-shit;36169868]just think that it is A BIT of a moral controversy when SEX has an entire multi-million porn industry built around it, there's a shit ton of variety of sexual stuff two mouse-clicks away that people jerk off to on a daily basis or more, and the list goes on.[/QUOTE] Do you even know what morales are? Morales are what we deem right and wrong. Morale is subjective, it's personal and holds no common links between others. We do however share our thoughts on what is morally wrong and right and society as a whole has a good list of morales they agree on, but are always subject to change with time. Also what are you trying to say? That the porn industry doesn't have gay and lesbian porn? Because it has tons of it. I don't see the controversy at all there. Unless you're talking about the controversy when it comes to actually mating and creating offspring. Which isn't controversial either, because we only NEED to have sex once with one fruitful female, we do however always have the sexual urge to ejaculate, because if we didn't we wouldn't bother having sex in the first place, and as such we wouldn't create children. Porn is just a way to sit back, relax and take a good wank to make yourself feel good and let loose urges and steam by having an ejaculation.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;36169868] It's quite significant if you think humans as just species like any other, except the stuff that we do and the things we say. You know?[/QUOTE] Well, we are.
[QUOTE=Bomimo;36169549]STOP![/QUOTE] IN THE NAME OF LOOooVE!
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;36169868]Yeah I know, that always baffles me. Would make a great argument against homos. But I'm not strictly against homos here. Not at all actually. I just think that it is A BIT of a moral controversy when SEX has an entire multi-million porn industry built around it, there's a shit ton of variety of sexual stuff two mouse-clicks away that people jerk off to on a daily basis or more, and the list goes on. It's quite significant if you think humans as just species like any other, except the stuff that we do and the things we say. You know?[/QUOTE] Ok. We'll make a deal. You just don't BE a homo and don't ever have sex. We'll handle the rest, ok? If you find anything to me Amoral, then YOU refrain from it and not impose your morals on everyone else. That way, we can all be best mates, even though some are insane, religious fucks. [editline]2nd June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=TheSmartass;36170287]IN THE NAME OF LOOooVE![/QUOTE] I don't think i've ever punted up for so many puns indeliberately!
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;36169540]Homosexuality is a bit of a moral controversy..[/QUOTE] This is an ethical issue, not moral. Ethics and morals are not the same. The doctor broke his/her oath and should get raped with fines and losing their license.
[QUOTE=TonyP;36169287]Human being only in the genetic sense.[/QUOTE] Here, let me educate you. [quote]I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant:I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow. I will apply, for the benefit of the sick, all measures [that] are required, avoiding those twin traps of overtreatment and [URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Therapeutic_nihilism"]therapeutic nihilism[/URL]. I will remember that there is art to medicine as well as science, and that warmth, sympathy, and understanding may outweigh the surgeon's knife or the chemist's drug. I will not be ashamed to say "I know not", nor will I fail to call in my colleagues when the skills of another are needed for a patient's recovery. I will respect the privacy of my patients, for their problems are not disclosed to me that the world may know. Most especially must I tread with care in matters of life and death. If it is given to me to save a life, all thanks. But it may also be within my power to take a life; this awesome responsibility must be faced with great humbleness and awareness of my own frailty. Above all, I must not play at God. I will remember that I do not treat a fever chart, a cancerous growth, but a sick human being, whose illness may affect the person's family and economic stability. My responsibility includes these related problems, if I am to care adequately for the sick. I will prevent disease whenever I can, for prevention is preferable to cure. I will remember that I remain a member of society with special obligations to all my fellow human beings, those sound of mind and body as well as the infirm. If I do not violate this oath, may I enjoy life and art, be respected while I live and remembered with affection thereafter. May I always act so as to preserve the finest traditions of my calling and may I long experience the joy of healing those who seek my help.[/quote]
[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;36169826]CourthouseNews is a blog that posts directly from the court documents. Notice how the blog post doesn't cover the other side of the story? That's because the hospital hasn't responded to the lawsuit yet. And no other news sites are covering the story.... hmm... So yeah, stop calling for the euthanization of the doctor based on a one-sided blog post.[/QUOTE] Calling for his euthanization is out of line regardless of whether or not we know the whole story. All the same, you sound a bit like you're defending this man which, according to what we know so far, denied a man medication because the man was gay.
[QUOTE=Disgruntled;36170454]Calling for his euthanization is out of line regardless of whether or not we know the whole story. All the same, you sound a bit like you're defending this man which, according to what we know so far, denied a man medication because the man was gay.[/QUOTE] We only know one side of the story, and that comes from legal documents filed by the plaintiff in a court case, with an obvious motive. If the allegations are true, there's no way to defend them.
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[QUOTE=dgg;36169998]Do you even know what morales are? Morales are what we deem right and wrong. Morale is subjective, it's personal and holds no common links between others. We do however share our thoughts on what is morally wrong and right and society as a whole has a good list of morales they agree on, but are always subject to change with time. Also what are you trying to say? That the porn industry doesn't have gay and lesbian porn? Because it has tons of it. I don't see the controversy at all there. Unless you're talking about the controversy when it comes to actually mating and creating offspring. Which isn't controversial either, because we only NEED to have sex once with one fruitful female, we do however always have the sexual urge to ejaculate, because if we didn't we wouldn't bother having sex in the first place, and as such we wouldn't create children. Porn is just a way to sit back, relax and take a good wank to make yourself feel good and let loose urges and steam by having an ejaculation.[/QUOTE] What is right and what is wrong is not subjective. Even if that is the popular belief. But don't stick to that. And you didn't get what I was trying to say, I do know lesbian/gay porn exist. And you are wrong about ejaculating by the way. Some animals, even humans, don't feel the need to jerk off every day. And you know why is that? Because they don't jerk off every day, and are not used it. Every time you ejaculate, your body thinks you are making children. Different hormones are put out, other hormone levels decrease. They find a balance, and if you ejaculate too often, your body balances your hormone levels so that you feel like ejaculating every day or more. This is basically when your body thinks you are in someplace full of blazing hot fruitful virgin women.
[QUOTE=Bat-shit;36169671]I don't know about the iron age dogmas, and I don't hold history in too high regard for some known reasons, but as far as nature goes there are males and females with genitalia that go together for evolutionary purposes. So in that sense, homosexuality, or just sexuality (which is weird and wide in humans) without having procreation in mind, is a bit of a moral controversy. Imo anyway.[/QUOTE] I'm not seeing how just because one goes inside of the other, it's morally an issue. Edit: dude what, I swear that post said 6 minutes ago ._.
He's gonna die of aids anyway, he's not magic Johnson
[QUOTE=NikoChekhov;36170917]I'm not seeing how just because one goes inside of the other, it's morally an issue. Edit: dude what, I swear that post said 6 minutes ago ._.[/QUOTE] it probably did say 6 minutes ago.. I know, I post too much. but yeah it's not as simple as that. if you are interested, read the above thing that I wrote before your post.
[QUOTE=Scar;36169547]He doesn't follow our morals, doesn't make him less of a human. Being capable of self-reflection and learning is what makes people human, not genes or believes.[/QUOTE] What makes people human is having human dna. What makes somebody a horrible human is going on a killing spree on an island full of kids. [editline]2nd June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=EcksDee;36170395]Here, let me educate you.[/QUOTE] And this is supposed to be what?
[QUOTE=TonyP;36172692] And this is supposed to be what?[/QUOTE] Seriously? Wow. Surely there is enough context to understand that it's the Hippocratic Oath.
[QUOTE=TonyP;36172692]What makes people human is having human dna. What makes somebody a horrible human is going on a killing spree on an island full of kids. [/QUOTE] Read some of Peter Singer's works. DNA only makes us a homo sapiens, not a person, or like I said it, human.
[QUOTE=Levithan;36172826]Seriously? Wow. Surely there is enough context to understand that it's the Hippocratic Oath.[/QUOTE] Because everybody in the world has read whatever this hippocratic oath is.
[QUOTE=AJisAwesome15;36169270]I think that if a doctor refuses potentially life-saving treatment for personal reasons, and the patient dies, they should be charged with manslaughter. Does that sound a little extreme?[/QUOTE] Depends on what the personal reason is. If it's a serial killer, or Hitler himself, or someone who society has a legitimate reason to hate, then manslaughter is enough. If it's because the patient's gay, black, and/or a crossdresser? First degree murder. Capital offense, if the host state's legalized that sort of thing.
Oh god i just thought what if the doctor played along and prescribed him like sugar pills so he would die faster. That would be terrible.
[QUOTE=TonyP;36172692]What makes people human is having human dna. What makes somebody a horrible human is going on a killing spree on an island full of kids. [editline]2nd June 2012[/editline] And this is supposed to be what?[/QUOTE] Just lie down before you get hurt... [editline]3rd June 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=lavacano;36172995]Depends on what the personal reason is. If it's a serial killer, or Hitler himself, or someone who society has a legitimate reason to hate, then manslaughter is enough. If it's because the patient's gay, black, and/or a crossdresser? First degree murder. Capital offense, if the host state's legalized that sort of thing.[/QUOTE] Don't start making these distinctions. Such distinctions are what makes your justice as shit as it is. The more you go into special circumstances, the bigger chance that little Willie, age 12 can get executed because of some freak-loophole exploitation. Or do you not recognize this in like 2-3 cases a year? You know, those who blow up in the media. Not to mention those we get in our own news section on an almost daily basis.
[QUOTE=Rents;36169733][url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals[/url] It's natural, a shit ton of other species do it.[/QUOTE] Speaking of (un)natural, what exactly is so supposedly unnatural about a sex act that involves no body modifications or any outside parties or tools?
[QUOTE=Bomimo;36174492]Don't start making these distinctions. Such distinctions are what makes your justice as shit as it is. The more you go into special circumstances, the bigger chance that little Willie, age 12 can get executed because of some freak-loophole exploitation. Or do you not recognize this in like 2-3 cases a year? You know, those who blow up in the media. Not to mention those we get in our own news section on an almost daily basis.[/QUOTE] And if we don't make distinctions, some people who truly deserve to be put to death get away with little more than a slap on the wrist. Alternatively, little 12-year-old Willie is far more likely to be executed [b]and[/b] have his family thrown in jail for child neglect even though all he did was steal a small candy bar from the little gas-n-grocery down the road. The 2-3 cases a year are tragic, but I'd rather have only three cases per year than a justice system that might as well not exist, or worse. We [b]need[/b] those distinctions. Besides, I drew a clear, solid line - reasonable shit only gets a mid-range punishment, anything else and the fucker gets permanently removed from society. And by reasonable, I mean you have to convince a large percentage of the US population (say 85% just so we have a number to work with) that what you did is justifiable. If it was a serial rapist you did that to then that percentage would be fairly easy. If it was just because he was Arab though, good fucking luck.
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