• George Zimmerman arrested
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This guy is fucking unhinged.
I'm 90% sure his girlfriend was bullshitting through that entire 911 call. first of all, she would not stop constantly mentioning how he was breaking stuff, and to me it sounds like obvious bad acting. ''are you serious? you broke my table? are you serious? this is my house. are you serious?''. she's actually calmly nagging him about threatening her with a shotgun and smashing her house up. and another thing, I'm not sure about this so if anyone has any insight you can correct me, but I'm pretty sure the KSG isn't legal for civilians to own in most of the US, and that's the only shotgun Kel Tec has produced. if it is I doubt he has the money for it.
[quote]Seminole County Jail[/quote] JWJ's getting a front row seat for this one.
[QUOTE=Bruhmis;42908304]if it is I doubt he has the money for it.[/QUOTE] given kel was so eager to have him visit their shop I wouldn't be surprised at all if they gifted him one, all things considered also you're assuming she's lying because she's calm. How about we scream bloody murder and throw things at a guy who's [allegedly] breaking shit and threatening you with a shotgun
wow who would have thunk notorious coolguy george zimmerman might actually be [i]a dangerous asshole?[/i] If only I were a more perceptive man I might have realized this earlier...
zimzam's 911 call [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6DwdVB-2SI[/media] Girlfriend's 911 call [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_a-XMvuyLbE[/media]
Y'all still so sure he, you know, [I]isn't[/I] a deranged murderer and an absolute fucking psycho? Stand Your Ground be damned, pulling a shotgun on your girlfriend isn't something that can be justified as "self defense". [sp]Neither is pulling a gun on a defenseless teenager.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Snapster;42908747][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w6DwdVB-2SI[/media][/QUOTE] Not sure if I believe him or not, just do to the record, but he sounds honest. He sounds well intentioned. The girlfriend's call doesn't sound quite as reasonable, and she sounds like she is acting a bit. We may have another case of people jumping the gun and blaming Zimmerman again. [editline]18th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=slayer64;42908797]Y'all still so sure he, you know, [I]isn't[/I] a deranged murderer and an absolute fucking psycho? Stand Your Ground be damned, pulling a shotgun on your girlfriend isn't something that can be justified as "self defense". [sp]Neither is pulling a gun on a defenseless teenager.[/sp][/QUOTE] Who is pounding your head into the ground? I think this has been argued far to many times for you to have missed it. Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman and beating his head against concrete, that isn't defenseless.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];42908814']Who is pounding your head into the ground? I think this has been argued far to many times for you to have missed it. Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman and beating his head against concrete, that isn't defenseless.[/QUOTE] If a grown man can't fight off a 17-year-old without killing him, then there is a problem. Zimmerman should've just backed the fuck off and steered clear of it.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];42908814']Who is pounding your head into the ground? I think this has been argued far to many times for you to have missed it. Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman and beating his head against concrete, that isn't defenseless.[/QUOTE] I see worse on a saturday night tbh
[QUOTE=slayer64;42908896]If a grown man can't fight off a 17-year-old without killing him, then there is a problem. Zimmerman should've just backed the fuck off and steered clear of it.[/QUOTE] So basically: You are about to be beaten to death by a seventeen year old, have a gun, but you shouldn't use to because in hindsight you probably should have stayed away? I'd use the gun. [editline]18th November 2013[/editline] [QUOTE=NoDachi;42908913]I see worse on a saturday night tbh[/QUOTE] From a legal perspective self defense is based off [B]perceived[/B] imminent bodily harm. I honestly agree from an outside perspective that it could have been resolved better, but in the heat of the moment it was a reasonable thing to do to use the gun, and what I would have done.
[QUOTE=daijitsu;42908373]given kel was so eager to have him visit their shop I wouldn't be surprised at all if they gifted him one, all things considered also you're assuming she's lying because she's calm. How about we scream bloody murder and throw things at a guy who's [allegedly] breaking shit and threatening you with a shotgun[/QUOTE] just the way she sounded. he was apparently waving a shotgun around and she was constantly repeating the same words with no emotion in her voice. it didn't sound real. and she kept making a point to say outloud the things he'd allegedly done in a really awkward, unnatural way. then when he finally spoke he was even more calm than her, even though he was apparently supposed to be in a shotgun wielding rage. thanks for the info about kel tec though.
[QUOTE=Simplemac3;42905198]was anybody else genuinely surprised that you-know-who didn't make this thread[/QUOTE] voldemort got banned so
[QUOTE='[sluggo];42908814']Not sure if I believe him or not, just do to the record, but he sounds honest. He sounds well intentioned. The girlfriend's call doesn't sound quite as reasonable, and she sounds like she is acting a bit. We may have another case of people jumping the gun and blaming Zimmerman again.[/QUOTE] rarely are both sides telling the complete truth in these sorts of cases. there is a lot of incentive for lying/embellishment because the law looks at one side as "wrong" and the other as "right" so people want to make sure their story is most likely to be "right". it's sorta like the whole trayvon martin case. zimmerman shouldn't have gotten into that situation in the first place. he racially profiled some teenager and got into a physical confrontation. but i can't really blame him for shooting someone who was banging is head against the concrete. but the law says he can only be "right" or "wrong".
[QUOTE='[sluggo];42908914']From a legal perspective self defense is based off [B]perceived[/B] imminent bodily harm.[/QUOTE] What can be presumed to induce "a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm" is defined in the statutes. The only opinion that matters is that of a fictional "reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances", not whatever shit you think.
[QUOTE=Xenocidebot;42909053]What can be presumed to induce "a reasonable fear of imminent peril of death or great bodily harm" is defined in the statutes. The only opinion that matters is that of a fictional "reasonably cautious and prudent person under the same circumstances", not whatever shit you think.[/QUOTE] Would a reasonably cautious and prudent person not use the gun is said situation? It's not an argument is to whether Zimmerman was reasonably cautious and prudent, but whether a reasonable person under the same circumstance would have believe imminent harm upon themselves, and in a situation where they are being beaten into the ground, where the person on top has (at least according to Zimmerman, who seems to be right in other accounts) threatened to kill you, and is reaching for your now exposed gun themselves, it seems to me as though they would. Usage of deadly force seems to me like a reasonable response.
[QUOTE='[sluggo];42908814']Who is pounding your head into the ground? I think this has been argued far to many times for you to have missed it. Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman and beating his head against concrete, that isn't defenseless.[/QUOTE] why is this the default "justified" argument? Do you remember how he got into a grappling match with a black dude because I recall something about him being told not to approach by the 911 dispatcher and if the kid was the vicious roid raging killer anyways, it's entirely zim's fault for walking straight into the situation. It's a shitty thing it turned to a fight somehow but it was entirely avoidable [quote] reasonably cautious and prudent person[/quote] neat
[QUOTE=daijitsu;42909331]why is this the default "justified" argument? Do you remember how he got into a grappling match with a black dude because I recall something about him being told not to approach by the 911 dispatcher[/QUOTE] You're forgetting the part where Zimmerman agreed with the 911 dispatcher to stop pursuing Trayvon Martin, and said that he was just going to check the names on the street signs. Or that Trayvon allegedly was the one who initiated contact with Zimmerman. [QUOTE=daijitsu;42909331]and if the kid was the vicious roid raging killer anyways, it's entirely zim's fault for walking straight into the situation. It's a shitty thing it turned to a fight somehow but it was entirely avoidable[/QUOTE] Yeah, and I guess when a scantily clad woman walks down a sketchy neighborhood and gets raped it's her fault right? Yeah no.
[QUOTE=axelord157;42906493]I'm honestly surprised how Zimmerman keeps getting arrested. After such a controversial court case, you'd think he be more light-footed.[/QUOTE] Oh my god, it just hit me: George Zimmerman is Florida Man.
[QUOTE=daijitsu;42909331]why is this the default "justified" argument? Do you remember how he got into a grappling match with a black dude because I recall something about him being told not to approach by the 911 dispatcher and if the kid was the vicious roid raging killer anyways, it's entirely zim's fault for walking straight into the situation. It's a shitty thing it turned to a fight somehow but it was entirely avoidable neat[/QUOTE] What happens before, and by the way as others have explained you are wrong about that series of events, doesn't really matter much. What matters in the conflict itself, specifically who was the aggressor, and was their justifiable use of force. It's the law. Back to the series of events, you seem to be doing a bit of victim blaming. "Oh yeah! I walked into a bad neighborhood, so it is completely my fault I was mugged. I should have known better!"
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OvKcXZpDMo[/media]
this guy sure is a great poster child for responsible gun use especially in self defense situations [editline]18th November 2013[/editline] im so glad he defended himself against his girlfriend for the millionth time with that gun
Here we go again...
In before "this is why all guns should be banned forevar and evar!!1" :v: [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Meme reply - Cannot function here." - Craptasket))[/highlight]
[QUOTE=EurofanBMW;42910955]In before "this is why all guns should be banned forevar and evar!!1" :v:[/QUOTE] sshhhhh sshhhhhhh we don't want to alert the horde just keep it down; there hasn't been a gun related shitstorm yet. And hopefully it stays that way.
Point a gun at a black teen and kill him: nah it's ok lol Point a gun at a white woman: arrested, booked and held without bail hmmm
Can't seizzle the zizzle
[QUOTE=Melkor;42909550]You're forgetting the part where Zimmerman agreed with the 911 dispatcher to stop pursuing Trayvon Martin, and said that he was just going to check the names on the street signs. Or that Trayvon allegedly was the one who initiated contact with Zimmerman.[/QUOTE] Lets bare in mind that Zimmerman was stalking Trayvon. If I realised someone was following me late at night I would get freaked the fuck out too. That said the right course of action is definitely not to engage them. Who knew both sides could be at fault here?
[QUOTE=MaxOfS2D;42923154]Point a gun at a black teen and kill him: nah it's ok lol Point a gun at a white woman: arrested, booked and held without bail hmmm[/QUOTE] tbf though the whole Zimmerman/Martin thing was pretty vague with no witnesses but Zimmerman himself, while this time the victim lives to tell the story
I find it interesting that all the people rating [url=http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1289563]this thread[/url] winner couldn't see this coming. I don't know if it's willful ignorance or what. [QUOTE='[sluggo];42908814']Not sure if I believe him or not, just do to the record, but he sounds honest. He sounds well intentioned. The girlfriend's call doesn't sound quite as reasonable, and she sounds like she is acting a bit.[/QUOTE] Can you change your avatar please? I don't want Einstein subconsciously ruined for me.
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