Guild Wars 2 weapon exploit leads to 3,000 perma-bans - Polidicks

[QUOTE=milkandcooki;37483179]"Why should I be banned from the game I bought when I only intentionally exploited the game to get an insane amount of in game money? It's the developers' fault that I'm an entitled prick!"[/QUOTE] Yeah that's definitely what I said. I'm saying why not just delete everything they gained or give them a slap on the wrist and suspend them? Why do you feel the need from barring them from ever being able to play the game again unless they buy it again? [editline]31st August 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;37482397]I'm somewhat wondering if a few of the people in here were abusing the bug and got caught, so they feel obligated to bitch about how they were unfairly punished for knowingly abusing the bug.[/QUOTE] I just feel like Arenanet is very happy on their banning. When I had a bug that said I was banned for a day during the 3 day early release (the "suspension" went away after less than 24 hours so it wasn't their 72 hr ban) I sent in a ticket. I basically got back "we're showing the community that we're serious about our rules." I was essentially told I was being made an example of when it was their system that was flawed. Do I believe they deserve punishment? Absolutely. But I don't really agree with a permaban. Just revoke what they gained or make them start a new character or something, I don't know.

Why would you ever exploit in an MMO, it's pretty much a guaranteed ban.

[QUOTE=Skidd;37484591]Why would you ever exploit in an MMO, it's pretty much a guaranteed ban.[/QUOTE]Idiocy, maliciousness, or greed. Though really idiocy is pretty much a given if you're going to do it regardless of your reasoning.

[QUOTE=Gekkosan;37480513]Exploiting bugs was so much fun in World of Warcraft. Glad I didn't get banned, although a Gamemaster gave me a chat, and a "Warning"[/QUOTE] I bought cataclysm after I got an email that a bot/account thief tried activating a trial for it or whatever. I used the trial period, paid for the expansion, played some instanced quest right when I turned 85, and it bugged out on me. Got a gamemaster to come and play it through since it's apparently a client-side bug, I told them about the hijack attempt and asked if they could see if they actually got on my account- there wasn't any sign of damage, aside from a few herbs I didn't remember gathering sitting in my bag when I first logged on. after some digging (and finding the guy was apparently a facepuncher a long time ago) they said "they try that all the time, but I don't see any problems for you. Have a good day! :)" and left three days later I got permabanned for "using illegal leveling services" and support never answered my tickets and emails since was more than grateful to get away from the game's subscription fee draining my account and my freetime (during school high stress time), even if it was barely a week after I paid for the expansion.

[QUOTE=rampageturke 2;37481019]it's great for public humiliations [img]http://i.imgur.com/szAzv.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] GW2 seems over-the-top moderated. You can't even talk about jerking it to trannies. What kind of game does that?

[QUOTE=daijitsu;37484854]I bought cataclysm after I got an email that a bot/account thief tried activating a trial for it or whatever. I used the trial period, paid for the expansion, played some instanced quest right when I turned 85, and it bugged out on me. Got a gamemaster to come and play it through since it's apparently a client-side bug, I told them about the hijack attempt and asked if they could see if they actually got on my account- there wasn't any sign of damage, aside from a few herbs I didn't remember gathering sitting in my bag when I first logged on. after some digging (and finding the guy was apparently a facepuncher a long time ago) they said "they try that all the time, but I don't see any problems for you. Have a good day! :)" and left three days later I got permabanned for "using illegal leveling services" and support never answered my tickets and emails since was more than grateful to get away from the game's subscription fee draining my account and my freetime (during school high stress time), even if it was barely a week after I paid for the expansion.[/QUOTE] Weird, I've dealt with GM's several times for different things (friend and I have a habit of breaking the game, sometimes intentionally) and never got more than a warning. Even when my account got phished it was a simple restore process.

I assume guild chat is safe though? Map chat seems like "be clean or be banned" but I assume guild chat is a little more open to the guild's discretion, right?

[QUOTE=Archonos 2;37485064]I assume guild chat is safe though? Map chat seems like "be clean or be banned" but I assume guild chat is a little more open to the guild's discretion, right?[/QUOTE] Is "be clean or be banned" really a rule for the game? That's silly.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;37480535]I might have missed something, and if I did someone please fill me in, but the one beta weekend I got to try there was plenty of grind. The quests were neat in that they were just areas that you went to and events started but the events themselves were typically "Kill enough spiders to fill up this bar" or "Bring me enough apples to fill up this bar". The game felt alright, and I'd like to buy it on sale someday, but 8.9/10? Is this only the starting areas (I got to level 20) or is it another case of marketing hype?[/QUOTE] If you use the hearts as traditional "quests" for the main way to level up, sure. A lot of people miss this, but the hearts are designed to point you in the general area of the map for your level. That's about it. Events are the main meat, the "quests" of other games.

[QUOTE=Cyan_Husky;37485209]If you use the hearts as traditional "quests" for the main way to level up, sure. A lot of people miss this, but the hearts are designed to point you in the general area of the map for your level. That's about it. Events are the main meat, the "quests" of other games.[/QUOTE] Well the events were kind of the same way, they just lead to boss fights which were mildly interesting but not what I would say revolutionary. Not meaning to say Guild Wars 2 isn't a fun game from what little I got to play, I just don't see how it isn't grindy, atleast the first 20 levels I experienced.

[QUOTE=Cyan_Husky;37485209]If you use the hearts as traditional "quests" for the main way to level up, sure. A lot of people miss this, but the hearts are designed to point you in the general area of the map for your level. That's about it. Events are the main meat, the "quests" of other games.[/QUOTE]And the personal storyline. That is always fun. Because you aren't supposed to run the personal storyline in one go. You play with it a bit, then run around doing tasks and events to gain levels, then you return to the personal story.

[QUOTE=Raidyr;37485234]Well the events were kind of the same way[/QUOTE] I respectfully disagree.

This reminds me of a famous bug in Runescape which allowed you to get some of the most expensive items in the game every kill due to a flaw in an update (and poor Q&A Testing). Here were the options: Kill the boss from 1000-3000 times to get one drop. Kill the boss twice to get one. Everybody will abuse the bug. They will not turn around and say 'THIS IS A SERIOUS GLITCH. I must report it at once!'. People value their time too much. I think with obvious bugs like this there should be no punishment at all because it was only in the game in the first place due to sheer incompetence.

Another thing I'd like to point out since I've been hearing "I shouldn't be punished for using something within the game's mechanics" Technically, playing the game is within the game's mechanics. Any Bug, Glitch or Exploit is within the game's mechanics. Glitching inside of walls, Perma-Invulnerability in World vs world, and any other such things in any other games, is all within the game's mechanics. It's why they're called Bugs, Exploits and glitches. So stop using that as an excuse

You are only banned if you harass or insult someone. Swearing normally is A-Okay

[QUOTE=TheTalon;37488566]Another thing I'd like to point out since I've been hearing "I shouldn't be punished for using something within the game's mechanics" Technically, playing the game is within the game's mechanics. Any Bug, Glitch or Exploit is within the game's mechanics. Glitching inside of walls, Perma-Invulnerability in World vs world, and any other such things in any other games, is all within the game's mechanics. It's why they're called Bugs, Exploits and glitches. So stop using that as an excuse[/QUOTE] Why are you going through the same mental hoops as the people who try to justify game piracy? It's still fucking cheating because 1) you get an unfair advantage in an illegitimate way and 2) the terms and agreements say that it's cheating and 3) bugs aren't "part of the game mechanics" because they are unintentional holes in the system.

Ban everyone because of your shitting programming, yeah nice one.

Just because somebody leaves their door open doesn't mean you're allowed to steal their stuff.

A lot of cheater apologists in this thread.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;37491234]Just because somebody leaves their door open doesn't mean you're allowed to steal their stuff.[/QUOTE] Developers making a massive multiplayer game shouldn't be leaving their doors open, dumb analogy.

[QUOTE=laylay;37491345]Developers making a massive multiplayer game shouldn't be leaving their doors open, dumb analogy.[/QUOTE] As opposed to houses, where people [I]should [/I]be leaving their doors open?

[QUOTE=laylay;37491022]Ban everyone because of your shitting programming, yeah nice one.[/QUOTE] What? The TOS and RoC every single player agreed to states that taking advantage of any exploit is considered cheating and is a bannable offense. Shitty programming? No video game is perfect, especially HUGE games where you can't discover every bug or exploit before the release of such game.

[QUOTE=laylay;37491022]Ban everyone because of your shitting programming, yeah nice one.[/QUOTE] 1. *shitty 2. Exploiting a bug = no fucks given. 3. Arenanet was incredibly merciful in letting everyone back with a 72 hour ban.

[QUOTE=Delta616;37491522]What? The TOS and RoC every single player agreed to states that taking advantage of any exploit is considered cheating and is a bannable offense. Shitty programming? No video game is perfect, especially HUGE games where you can't discover every bug or exploit before the release of such game.[/QUOTE] Exploiting shouldn't be a fucking permanently bannable offense though, the fucking game is 60 bucks, that's a load of shit if you ban them for something you fucked up on, its like a girl showing you her boobs but then getting upset you look, I guess its "fair" but its shit as fuck [editline]31st August 2012[/editline] One could argue this is 180k that they took from 3k people.

[QUOTE=Clementine;37491627]Exploiting shouldn't be a fucking permanently bannable offense though, the fucking game is 60 bucks, that's a load of shit if you ban them for something you fucked up on, its like a girl showing you her boobs but then getting upset you look, I guess its "fair" but its shit as fuck [editline]31st August 2012[/editline] One could argue this is 180k that they took from 3k people.[/QUOTE] I am running out of ways to explain it. This exploit was dangerous. Economic exploits are the kind you [b]REALLY[/b] do not want to happen because of how catastrophic the impact can be. This exploit could have caused hyperinflation and made the in-game currency next to worthless. Imagine if tomorrow someone absolutely fucking flooded the irl market with gold. And they are offering them the ability for a one time repeal probably BECAUSE it was release week. This is as "fair" to the exploiters as it should be, and as it is going to be.

[QUOTE=Clementine;37491627]Exploiting shouldn't be a fucking permanently bannable offense though, the fucking game is 60 bucks, that's a load of shit if you ban them for something you fucked up on, its like a girl showing you her boobs but then getting upset you look, I guess its "fair" but its shit as fuck [editline]31st August 2012[/editline] One could argue this is 180k that they took from 3k people.[/QUOTE]They willingly abused a bug, and they have to pay. End of story. That's what happens when you do something like that. You don't just get to go "Ohh, well its the DEVELOPER'S fault! I should be allowed to abuse this and break their game all day!"

[QUOTE=Clementine;37491627]Exploiting shouldn't be a fucking permanently bannable offense though, the fucking game is 60 bucks, that's a load of shit if you ban them for something you fucked up on, its like a girl showing you her boobs but then getting upset you look, I guess its "fair" but its shit as fuck [editline]31st August 2012[/editline] One could argue this is 180k that they took from 3k people.[/QUOTE] Perhaps if you read did the simple research you would have learned that nobody really got perma banned, the perma was only to get the attention of all the exploiters, very dangerous one that could have destroyed the economy. After the perma bans were issued, they were reduced to 72 hour bans after a statement was released to such exploiters. They won't make the same mistake twice. Even if the permabans were actually such, Arenanet are well within their rights to do so. They exploited a bug that was very dangerous to the game, and nearly caused damage to a brand new economy.

[QUOTE=Delta616;37491748]Perhaps if you read did the simple research you would have learned that nobody really got perma banned, the perma was only to get the attention of all the exploiters, very dangerous one that could have destroyed the economy. After the perma bans were issued, they were reduced to 72 hour bans after a statement was released to such exploiters. They won't make the same mistake twice. Even if the permabans were actually such, Arenanet are well within their rights to do so. They exploited a bug that was very dangerous to the game, and nearly caused damage to a brand new economy.[/QUOTE] Yeah okay, well sorry for not reading the thread or whatever, just kinda jumped the gun but uh, yeah its in their rights, doesn't mean they should...ever, and if you were to defend them for such is a little...pathetic, its like if Valve decided to take away everyone's games because they "exploited in tf2" or something, even if they can doesn't mean it is justifiable to take away people's money.

[QUOTE=Clementine;37492709]Yeah okay, well sorry for not reading the thread or whatever, just kinda jumped the gun but uh, yeah its in their rights, doesn't mean they should...ever, and if you were to defend them for such is a little...pathetic, its like if Valve decided to take away everyone's games because they "exploited in tf2" or something, even if they can doesn't mean it is justifiable to take away people's money.[/QUOTE] nobody is forcing these people to spend 60 bucks or exploit the game rules are they? if they don't want their stuff banned, maybe they shouldn't cheat? why is that concept so hard to grasp?

72 hours is a pretty light sentence considering what they did. I was banned 2 days into a fresh sub for 30 days for saying something "racist" in WoW.