Breivik claims terrorist attacks were 'self-defence'
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so the best defense is a good offense?
uhm...
[QUOTE=kjetil2;35598353]I was personally on Utøya. I knew several of the killed and injured, saw several persons get killed, and looked the killer directly in the eyes.
Nether I, my parents or the victims or parents I have met wants him dead. We just want him to go through a worthy trail and serve the sentence the court gives him.[/QUOTE]
well gee hoodoo it sure looks like you've got a very unique manner of thought here what with this apparently being dumb to you
how about you tell it like it is for us simpletons with all our silly opinions and other such nonsense
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;35598381]You are the epitome of what any empathic being can strive to be.
You make me proud to be human.[/QUOTE]
Tragically it's that very same empathy that drove Breivik to his deadly rampage. Being empathic is apparently not okay when it's aimed towards muslims and arabs. It makes you wonder how fucked up the world is when there are people who view love and peace as a threat.
Rehabilitation is the best way to solve this, he'll be locked away for 21 years and in that time he will under go procedures to make him a contributing member to society, hopefully.
In Australia rehab is the preferred option to stop violent crimes, many countries do it because it is effective then just locking him in a cell for 21 years so he can twitch his thumbs, get released and repeat his offenses.
The man deserves no death but to be treated like a human and hopefully will not do this again.
[QUOTE=MaikkiBoi;35604189]I hope he gets his ass kicked by other inmates in prison.[/QUOTE]
Pretty sure he'll be in some sort of solitary confinement.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;35606017]Rehabilitation is the best way to solve this, he'll be locked away for 21 years and in that time he will under go procedures to make him a contributing member to society, hopefully.
In Australia rehab is the preferred option to stop violent crimes, many countries do it because it is effective then just locking him in a cell for 21 years so he can twitch his thumbs, get released and repeat his offenses.
The man deserves no death but to be treated like a human and hopefully will not do this again.[/QUOTE]
I support rehabilitation as a means for a society to cut down on criminal behaviour but I think it's also healthy for a society to seek justice (as opposed to revenge). What this man did was beyond criminal behaviour, Rehabilitation may solve the issue and make him a productive member of society, but I truly think it's fair to say he doesn't deserve a second chance, nor to ever see the light of day again.
Rehabilitation should be for teenagers that grew up in the wrong neighbourhood with the wrong people, or desperate people who made bad decisions, not mass murders.
He'll be rehabilitated [I]while[/I] being locked in prison for life, which is only natural to presume.
Best option.
[QUOTE=mac338;35606375]He'll be rehabilitated [I]while[/I] being locked in prison for life, which is only natural to presume.
Best option.[/QUOTE]
Adding further to this, who says he can't be productive in jail? There are many examples where inmates are given pay for work they do in jail, which aids society.
I am all for rehabilitation of ABB, but not for his release.
If he is released he'll be closely watched for most of his life until he's fragile and weak (if that's ever), there's no way he'll not be out of the sight from police.
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[QUOTE=mac338;35606375]He'll be rehabilitated [I]while[/I] being locked in prison for life, which is only natural to presume.
Best option.[/QUOTE]
The only way for him to spend life in Prison is to renew his jailtime sentence for another 21 years, but that is if he's deemed a threat to society and himself which involves test. If he is successfully rehabilitated he'll be most likely released WITH strict police guard everywhere.
[QUOTE=fruxodaily;35606689]If he is released he'll be closely watched for most of his life until he's fragile and weak (if that's ever), there's no way he'll not be out of the sight from police.[/QUOTE]
I think that he's actually quite into excersize, so I'd imagine he'll either die before he gets old or keep working out until a muscle bursts or something.
[QUOTE=Cone;35606941]I think that he's actually quite into excersize, so I'd imagine he'll either die before he gets old or keep working out until a muscle bursts or something.[/QUOTE]
Probably, but he seems pretty smart so I'm going to assume he will live for a while, probably into his 70's.
Y'know, that's if he doesn't kill himself.
Car bombs the best kind of self defense.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35604091]I'm sorry A noob cake, kjetil2, I haven't lost that many friends and I hope I do not, I can't put yourself in your shoes I know. But tell me honestly, would you really be ok with it if he is set free in 21 years? I could never, ever want someone like that to live and live in comfort. That's just me, I am not saying you are wrong for what you believe in, I respect your opinions, my attitude towards people that do things like this is a lot more different.[/quote]
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The reason is that he will be held in prison until he and the country are ready for his release. Therefore he will, most likely, be in prison until his death.
[QUOTE=kjetil2;35607742][QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35604091]I'm sorry A noob cake, kjetil2, I haven't lost that many friends and I hope I do not, I can't put yourself in your shoes I know. But tell me honestly, would you really be ok with it if he is set free in 21 years? I could never, ever want someone like that to live and live in comfort. That's just me, I am not saying you are wrong for what you believe in, I respect your opinions, my attitude towards people that do things like this is a lot more different.
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The reason is that he will, most likely, be held in prison until he and the country are ready for his release. Therefore he will, most likely, be in prison until his death.[/QUOTE]
That would be good as long as it's solitary confinement and virtually no contact with anyone.
[QUOTE=Cone;35604891]well gee hoodoo it sure looks like you've got a very unique manner of thought here what with this apparently being dumb to you
how about you tell it like it is for us simpletons with all our silly opinions and other such nonsense[/QUOTE]
I don't see how killing him is going to fix anything? The way things are done now shows how the general public in Norway is, even in extreme situations, willing to go quite far to make sure everything goes according to a nice, humane set of rules. We all pretty much assume he'll be locked up for life, right now it's more a matter of showing that even in the face of what some would consider pure evil, we'll meet it with respect. Killing him doesn't do shit, doing things the way we do it here helps us show that we're bigger than him.
In court today, Breivik actually referred to part of his own ideology as something along the lines of "might seem a bit absurd when you see it like that". It's not about THROW THE FUCKER AWAY AND EAT THE KEY, it's about showing him how fucked up what he did is. If he reaches a point that would be considered "normal" in our eyes, he would have to live with knowing he did what he did, and the shame. If he doesn't, we have still shown him that we're no afraid to give him a fair trial because we already know he's wrong and that his defense is so weak, he might as well be trying to juggle pieces of paper in a hurricane.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35607763]
That would be good as long as it's solitary confinement and virtually no contact with anyone.[/QUOTE]
With little to no human contact for a minimum of 21 years he'll be coming out more nuts than he went in.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35607763]
That would be good as long as it's solitary confinement and virtually no contact with anyone.[/QUOTE]
Currently, his only means of communication is: His lawyers, and letters that are monitored. He will most likely be held in a special unit of Ila prison created for mass murderers, witch is (luckily) only him, in a special unit of a high security mental institution, or a small mental institution within Ila prison made specifically for him.
[QUOTE=Rents;35607823]With little to no human contact for a minimum of 21 years he'll be coming out more nuts than he went in.[/QUOTE]
He already is, I posted an article a few minutes ago, he said he would do it again, all it would do is make him even more fervent in his beliefs.
[QUOTE=SpaceGhost;35608356]He already is, I posted an article a few minutes ago, he said he would do it again, all it would do is make him even more fervent in his beliefs.[/QUOTE]
So your plan is to try to make him worse or hinder his rehabilitation against the will of quite a few of the victims of his actions, why?
Is there a way to watch this testimony in some way or have an update on it by day? I don't in any way condone his actions but I do find his defense rather interesting and definitively worth reading what he's trying to say. Im an american atheist who embraces multiculturalism because I feel it can help advance the world, I would just like to understand his stance. Anyone else interested in it?!
Self Defense seems like a pleas that can give him a lot of giveaway when describing himself in court I think.
He's fucked regardless though, cant go killing 77 people and think your getting away with it.
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