English Universities announcing fees over £9,000 limit - Polidicks

[QUOTE=NiandraLades;50765139]Will things like Student Finance scale with this?[/QUOTE] Yes

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50744761]You will still be in debt and that debt will be appreciating from interest. You'll probably end up paying far far more than the principle over your life and its unlikely it'll ever actually be paid off.[/QUOTE] Majority of student loans get less than half of their total paid back by the time they get written off. Government is losing a shit ton from this and really ought to just make it free.

[QUOTE=spekter;50766146]Majority of student loans get less than half of their total paid back by the time they get written off. Government is losing a shit ton from this and really ought to just make it free.[/QUOTE] I would say it would be more sensible to stop funding non-performing universities and courses and subsidising a product which isn't worth even the reduced, subsidised value before we think about making the better ones free (at the tax payers expense, including the majority tax payers who never went to university)

[QUOTE=lolwutdude;50765893]all this time, you guys secretly wanted to be americans dump your teas and we'll let you in[/QUOTE] u must be mad snooker & cricket for life! you just don't get that goodness in america. also darts.

[QUOTE=mdeceiver79;50744642]They're doing it slowly over a long period though I doubt it'll get the same response as the 6k raise from last time. Moar debt IMO european countries should offer british students free education and citizenship. Brain drain[/QUOTE] Why would they ever do that after that lovely brexit stunt we've pulled? [editline]24th July 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Aphtonites;50746928]I'm thankful that the Welsh government gives us grants. I'm only paying £3,900 for my next year even though I'm studying in Canterbury. Meanwhile, Scotland's universities are completely free and Northern Ireland kept the old limit. Why the fuck is the English education system desperately trying to destroy itself?[/QUOTE] Our education think the prestige they've got entitles them to something, I suppose. British Unis are for the most part glamorous but not really on higher level education wise.

[QUOTE=spekter;50766146]Majority of student loans get less than half of their total paid back by the time they get written off. Government is losing a shit ton from this and really ought to just make it free.[/QUOTE] they'll re-write the law and stop it from being written off. student debt is a ticking time bomb that could cost us as a country hundreds of billions, if not trillions.

[QUOTE=Reagy;50747483]We've tried that. Look where it's got us. In a situation where the NHS has been stripped of most of its funding. In a situation where we're in a stalemate with the EU on pushing the big red button because people voted with no idea what it'll do. In a situation where they've already increased the max fee cap when [I]they said they wouldn't. We rioted over it, it did nothing.[/I] In a situation where we have a government we didn't even fucking vote for. In a situation where the one party no one wanted to take over did and pushed the weaker party aside. The Tories don't give a flying fuck mate, they do whatever the fuck they want. Slash everything big costing short term, don't care about the long term or its effects, rise the prices on everything.[/QUOTE] The only way the Tories will give a fuck is when we unite and stop throwing away our votes on buffer parties like UKIP and the Greens. Hell sometimes I wish we'd start dragging the worst of the cunts out from their cushy seats and beating them to death with their silver spoons but that'll never happen because, shit, we're dumb enough to listen to the media and won't lift a finger to do anything about it. I'm not trying to sound edgy but it makes my blood boil that these collectivised arseholes are destroying the country our great grandparents built, all for the sake of a few extra millions that they won't ever need, all whilst we sit back and allow it and blame everything on immigration and welfare. We rioted and it achieved fuck all except make us look like thugs especially since we targeted the wrong people. Rioting, trashing homes and businesses and fighting with the police won't do a damn thing. If people want to get to these pricks they should go for the people responsible and hit them where it hurts.

[QUOTE=GordonZombie;50767426]The only way the Tories will give a fuck is when we unite and stop throwing away our votes on buffer parties like UKIP and the Greens. Hell sometimes I wish we'd start dragging the worst of the cunts out from their cushy seats and beating them to death with their silver spoons but that'll never happen because, shit, we're dumb enough to listen to the media and won't lift a finger to do anything about it. I'm not trying to sound edgy but it makes my blood boil that these collectivised arseholes are destroying the country our great grandparents built, all for the sake of a few extra millions that they won't ever need, all whilst we sit back and allow it and blame everything on immigration and welfare. We rioted and it achieved fuck all except make us look like thugs especially since we targeted the wrong people. Rioting, trashing homes and businesses and fighting with the police won't do a damn thing. If people want to get to these pricks they should go for the people responsible and hit them where it hurts.[/QUOTE] Your great grandparents set up the system which will put us into so much debt (eve more eventually than the bank bailouts) through unsustainable pensions which require outrageous levels of immigration and economic growth to fund.

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50767652]Your great grandparents set up the system which will put us into so much debt (eve more eventually than the bank bailouts) through unsustainable pensions which require outrageous levels of immigration and economic growth to fund.[/QUOTE] I was referring specifically towards the defunding of the NHS and welfare but sure.

[QUOTE=FlashMarsh;50767652]Your great grandparents set up the system which will put us into so much debt (eve more eventually than the bank bailouts) through unsustainable pensions which require outrageous levels of immigration and economic growth to fund.[/QUOTE] Pensions were always going to be an issue, although it's not as if they didn't pay into those pensions themselves through national insurance, the only difference is that the government can't send them down the drain like private companies do with their pensions. I mean most public service workers pay more into their pensions than the average private sector worker any way (9% of their wages as opposed to 6% in the average private sector pension scheme) along with taking lower pay. You can't expect much more from them, if you weren't paying them pensions you'd be paying them welfare which would cost even more.

[video=youtube;KUDjRZ30SNo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUDjRZ30SNo[/video] It's this bastard's fault for raising them in the first place.

[QUOTE=MissZoey;50769012][video=youtube;KUDjRZ30SNo]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUDjRZ30SNo[/video] It's this bastard's fault for raising them in the first place.[/QUOTE] Not really, Nick actually stopped the tories from putting them up to £12,000 as they planned to do originally. He has to make concessions because he was in a coalition and therefore couldn't just block everything without the tories doing the same back to him.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50769013]Not really, Nick actually stopped the tories from putting them up to £12,000 as they planned to do originally. He has to make concessions because he was in a coalition and therefore couldn't just block everything without the tories doing the same back to him.[/QUOTE] Aye, but he still broke an election promise. He did get fucked in the ass for it, given how hard the Lib Dems were annihilated.

[QUOTE=MissZoey;50769017]Aye, but he still broke an election promise. He did get fucked in the ass for it, given how hard the Lib Dems were annihilated.[/QUOTE] Well he wasn't in government so he couldn't deliver his election promise, so he went for the next best thing by getting lower fees than originally desired.

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50769152]Well he wasn't in government so he couldn't deliver his election promise, so he went for the next best thing by getting lower fees than originally desired.[/QUOTE] The pledge was not related to the outcome of the election, and was a promise made by every Lib Dem MP individually to vote against any increase in fees. It wasn't 'if elected, we won't introduce a rise in fees' it was 'we will vote against any rise in fees in the next parliament' [t]http://i.imgur.com/gRO2I9C.jpg[/t] [img]http://i.imgur.com/9b8290i.png[/img] [quote]27 Lib Dems voted for: ... [B]Nick Clegg (Sheffield Hallam)[/B][/quote] [url]http://www.libdemvoice.org/tuition-fees-how-liberal-democrat-mps-voted-22346.html[/url] Clegg did some good stuff and his influence in the coalition was underrated, but that particular episode was pretty dark and there's no way around it - he and other Lib Dem MPs broke their promise. Personally I think that Clegg's betrayal, coming so soon after the expenses scandal and a Lib Dem election campaign based on saying "goodbye to broken promises", destroyed any remaining trust that voters had in establishment politicians, and may have been a significant contributing factor to the rise of UKIP. Crushingly, the Lib Dems' [url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTLR8R9JXz4]"goodbye to broken promises" video[/url] from the 2010 election campaign literally begins with a shot of a piece of paper that says "no student tuition fees"

He traded the rise for a vote on av, and suffered the electoral consequences. Either way, by the time I'm done with uni I'll need to earn somewhere between £39k and £65k/year to keep up with interest alone, depending on inflation. With the right salary you can end up paying back nearlh 3x what you originally paid (with inflation at 2%)

[QUOTE=smurfy;50769202]The pledge was not related to the outcome of the election, and was a promise made by every Lib Dem MP individually to vote against any increase in fees. It wasn't 'if elected, we won't introduce a rise in fees' it was 'we will vote against any rise in fees in the next parliament' [t]http://i.imgur.com/gRO2I9C.jpg[/t] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/9b8290i.png[/IMG] [URL]http://www.libdemvoice.org/tuition-fees-how-liberal-democrat-mps-voted-22346.html[/URL] Clegg did some good stuff and his influence in the coalition was underrated, but that particular episode was pretty dark and there's no way around it - he and other Lib Dem MPs broke their promise. Personally I think that Clegg's betrayal, coming so soon after the expenses scandal and a Lib Dem election campaign based on saying "goodbye to broken promises", destroyed any remaining trust that voters had in establishment politicians, and may have been a significant contributing factor to the rise of UKIP. Crushingly, the Lib Dems' [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTLR8R9JXz4"]"goodbye to broken promises" video[/URL] from the 2010 election campaign literally begins with a shot of a piece of paper that says "no student tuition fees"[/QUOTE] Yeah nick over promised (mostly because he wasn't expecting a coalition), but people need to get over it honestly, it wasn't as bad as most people make it out to be.

Meanwhile up here in Scotland: University and College is free

[QUOTE=carcarcargo;50769461]Yeah nick over promised (mostly because he wasn't expecting a coalition), but people need to get over it honestly, it wasn't as bad as most people make it out to be.[/QUOTE] There are people now left with far more debt than they would have had. It is as bad as it is made out to be. Maybe you can afford to pay it off, but many people suffered thanks to the rise in fees.

[QUOTE=MissZoey;50770751]There are people now left with far more debt than they would have had. It is as bad as it is made out to be. Maybe you can afford to pay it off, but many people suffered thanks to the rise in fees.[/QUOTE] Where it not for Nick they'd be paying 12,000 per year rather than 9,000

uh these fees are already comparable to out of state tuition to many public state universities in the US tuition for residents of the state often beats these

how long before they have to pay for there own healthcare?

[QUOTE=nAXiom090;50773435]how long before they have to pay for there own healthcare?[/QUOTE] Never. The NHS is literally the national religion, and I am not exaggerating. Sure, there may be minor privatisation efforts here and there, but it is literal electoral suicide to make it anything but free at the point of use.

And they want to introduce student loans over in Ireland. I hope that gets ham-stringed and delayed to shit until we start seeing the devastating effect crap like this will have on the UK's youth. Do we need to increase funding in third level? Yes, absolutely. But we need to do this out of taxes and not put the burden on the future citizens of the country - that's only going to cause unholy hell like in the Untied States.