Original BioShock coming to iOS devices this summer! - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Qwerty Bastard;45596338]What no Android love? I figure you'd release it to the more powerful hardware given the option.[/QUOTE] This is what I mean by being entrenched in false beliefs. Android phones have been behind Apple for a long time now. There is still no Android phone that comes close to Apple's Cyclone CPU cores in the A7. [editline]5th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=Korova;45596355]I just think that people who needlessly spend more money are more prone to spend more of it. I buy Nexus devices for $350ish and I bought the OnePlus One for $300. I don't buy too many apps, maybe $40 in the 5 years that I've used Android because Android has alternatives and honestly there isn't much of a need to buy things because Android has everything I need. I mean there is a kid who made a fart application and sold it for 99 cents and he's a millionaire now. That wouldn't have and hasn't happened on Android.[/QUOTE] This basically sounds like trying to pass off Android being a terrible developer platform because everyone is either frugal and or doesn't use apps like it's a good thing. I also find it funny how buying an iPhone because you want a top-tier smartphone camera, the fastest SoC, nice build materials, nice design, a display with good color rendition, or a multitude of other reasons is just blanketed under "needlessly spend[ing] more money" by you. It's so hilariously baseless.

Come on guys, iPhones are good phones, they just don't fit everyone's use-case. They sure as shit don't fit mine because I enjoy rooting and installing custom mods and using xposed and all sorts of things (also why I'm never buying Samsung again, they're becoming as locked down as Apple is.) Not everyone needs that, so Apple is fine for them.

[QUOTE=Korova;45596355]I just think that people who needlessly spend more money are more prone to spend more of it. I buy Nexus devices for $350ish and I bought the OnePlus One for $300. I don't buy too many apps, maybe $40 in the 5 years that I've used Android because Android has alternatives and honestly there isn't much of a need to buy things because Android has everything I need. I mean there is a kid who made a fart application and sold it for 99 cents and he's a millionaire now. That wouldn't have and hasn't happened on Android.[/QUOTE] yeah who'd have thought it android users don't really pay for much at all

[QUOTE=Kaabii;45596373]This basically sounds like trying to pass off Android being a terrible developer platform because everyone is either frugal and or doesn't use apps like it's a good thing.[/QUOTE] You're right. Apple appeals to that base American (not even American, capitalist) instinct: Consume, consume, consume. Frugality and saving money does not fit in with this worldview. That's why they have money. They know precisely which buttons to push. That's why a fart app can get millions of dollars.

i don't think expecting people to pay for applications is necessarily a bad thing. it's better than freemium or ad ridden software like on android

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;45596317]because its kinda tautological. of course not all android phones can run the game, not everyone's pc can run crisis 3, what with high end gaming desktops being a smaller percentage of market share compared to the majority of desktops and laptops in schools and offices, where most of these computers sit. in the same way, android has performance flagships and budget phones. meanwhile every iphone is made virtually the same way so all the apps are gonna work across the entire gamut. what he said sounds smart but at the end of the day goes entirely without saying and is basically meaningless. [editline]5th August 2014[/editline] good job you pointed out the sky is blue want a medal[/QUOTE] Obviously it's not obvious to most people because half this thread is Android users wondering why it's launching on iOS.

[QUOTE=.Lain;45596430]i don't think expecting people to pay for applications is necessarily a bad thing. it's better than freemium or ad ridden software like on android[/QUOTE] its not a bad thing. but dont think for a second that users wanting to save money makes them bad either.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;45596414]You're right. Apple appeals to that base American (not even American, capitalist) instinct: Consume, consume, consume. Frugality and saving money does not fit in with this worldview. That's why they have money. They know precisely which buttons to push. That's why a fart app can get millions of dollars.[/QUOTE] Korova is conflating spending more money for better things with wasting money. I don't think I need to even explain why in this context it's wrong and makes no sense.

[QUOTE=Kaabii;45596444]Korova is conflating spending more money for better things with wasting money. I don't think I need to even explain why in this context it's wrong and makes no sense.[/QUOTE] I don't care about what Korova said because I'm not referring directly to what Korova said (okay maybe I used his example though.) I'm talking about Apple knowing how to make money. Which is something that is evidently true.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;45596440]its not a bad thing. but dont think for a second that users wanting to save money makes them bad either.[/QUOTE] What is "saving money" to you though? In a traditional sense it should mean spending less for something equivalent. That's definitely not the situation when you're comparing the $214 ASP Android and WP8 devices to the iPhone and flagship Androids. You're not saving money, you're just buying something worse.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;45596440]its not a bad thing. but dont think for a second that users wanting to save money makes them bad either.[/QUOTE] there's a distinct difference between being frugal and just pirating APKs of things you don't feel like rightfully paying for

[QUOTE=.Lain;45596464]there's a distinct difference between being frugal and just pirating APKs of things you don't feel like rightfully paying for[/QUOTE] I can't make any specific comments about Android piracy rates but its been cited by developers as being significant depending on the region of the world, where as on iOS it has a correlation with some percentage of jailbroken users which isn't many compared to the entire iOS install base. Piracy is both a user and a service problem though. You have some users who will just never pay for things, and others who will pay if they're forced to but will take it for free if they can. There's also the group that would pay but can't, possibly regions of the world where credit cards are uncommon. Valve has looked into this and according to them a lot of users fall into the last group.

[QUOTE=Kaabii;45596373] This basically sounds like trying to pass off Android being a terrible developer platform because everyone is either frugal and or doesn't use apps like it's a good thing. I also find it funny how buying an iPhone because you want a top-tier smartphone camera, the fastest SoC, nice build materials, nice design, a display with good color rendition, or a multitude of other reasons is just blanketed under "needlessly spend[ing] more money" by you. It's so hilariously baseless.[/QUOTE] Well I don't understand how people can justify an additional $300 purchase when you can easily purchase a $300 device that outdoes that one people pay $650 for. Is that slightly better camera and that better processor that will hardly be used from a day to day basis while sacrificing all the features that Android has that iOS lacks? The build quality is great but Android devices have been getting much better at that. It really seems like the iPhone is a lot of gives and takes given the competition and I think what users give up isn't worth it. I just find iOS frustrating in its supposed simplicity. Everyone just says "it just works" but it really doesn't for me. I don't care if I have to drag and drop a file, I'd rather do that than use iTunes to do everything and it seems like using iOS for five minutes feels like going back two or three years in a time machine using what Android used to be. Apple has the benefit of controlling their ecosystem completely. They make the only hardware. They make the only software. They control the app store. They're able to integrate iOS to the very core of OS X. They get all the revenue from app store sales after the split is made. That's cool and all and there are definite benefits to that such as performance but I'd rather have a slightly slower device that is more supported and is more functional.

[QUOTE=.Lain;45596464]there's a distinct difference between being frugal and just pirating APKs of things you don't feel like rightfully paying for[/QUOTE] [del]you can pirate on iOS too - [/del] well i guess you can't. pretty cool. it's not a conflict between price, it's a conflict between standardization/ease of use and flexibility. it's got nothing to do with consume consume consume

[QUOTE=Juniez;45596492]you can pirate on iOS too - it's not a conflict between price, it's a conflict between standardization/ease of use and flexibility. it's got nothing to do with consume consume consume[/QUOTE] No you can't. You cannot pirate apps on iOS without activating your UDID to sideload IPA files or jailbreaking. That group is insignificant compared to the entire iOS install base.

[QUOTE=Korova;45596491]Well I don't understand how people can justify an additional $300 purchase when [B]you can easily purchase a $300 device that outdoes that one people pay $650 for[/B]. Is that slightly better camera and that better processor that will hardly be used from a day to day basis while sacrificing all the features that Android has that iOS lacks? The build quality is great but Android devices have been getting much better at that. It really seems like the iPhone is a lot of gives and takes given the competition and I think what users give up isn't worth it. [/QUOTE] in what areas? and which $300 phone are we talking about?

[QUOTE=Kaabii;45596456]What is "saving money" to you though? In a traditional sense it should mean spending less for something equivalent. That's definitely not the situation when you're comparing the $214 ASP Android and WP8 devices to the iPhone and flagship Androids. You're not saving money, you're just buying something worse.[/QUOTE] Worse in what sense? Also, I'm willing to bet that if we look at the average money spent on apps per user per year for iOS vs Android vs WP8, you will find that the money spent on apps per iOS user + cost of phone will be higher than money spent on apps per Android/WP8 user + cost of phone. For some reason I'm having a hard time finding these numbers.

iOS is perfect for the majority of people as sales continually prove. android exists for people who want to tinker with their phones a little (though a lot of OEMs try their damned hardest to stop that). being 'locked down' is totally relative to who you ask

[QUOTE=Korova;45596491]Well I don't understand how people can justify an additional $300 purchase when you can easily purchase a $300 device that outdoes that one people pay $650 for. Is that slightly better camera and that better processor that will hardly be used from a day to day basis while sacrificing all the features that Android has that iOS lacks? The build quality is great but Android devices have been getting much better at that. It really seems like the iPhone is a lot of gives and takes given the competition and I think what users give up isn't worth it. [/QUOTE] You're downplaying things that don't matter to you in an attempt to make them seem irrelevant, that's seriously not a legitimate argument. It doesn't matter what you think is good or bad for features or software. Some people prefer iOS to Android, and there are lots of iOS features that Android lacks which you haven't acknowledged. I don't even know what you're trying to argue here. I'm just reading a bunch of subjective opinions and all I can say is...good for you? I don't know how it changes what I said about Android and iOS as developer platforms and the revenue for developers relative to install base. [editline]5th August 2014[/editline] [QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;45596536]Worse in what sense?[/QUOTE] Are you kidding now? That's a serious question because I'm in shock from being asked how a Moto E is worse an iPhone 5s. I don't really feel like going into details so from a hardware standpoint and a performance standpoint it's worse in every conceivable way. In terms of OS it's entirely subjective so there's never any "winner" there. [QUOTE] Also, I'm willing to bet that if we look at the average money spent on apps per user per year for iOS vs Android vs WP8, you will find that the money spent on apps per iOS user + cost of phone will be higher than money spent on apps per Android/WP8 user + cost of phone. For some reason I'm having a hard time finding these numbers.[/QUOTE] Of course it will be. Again, I'm asking how that's a bad thing. I don't know what to ascribe this mentality that being financially well off is bad to. It's insane. If someone wants to pay $650 because they want the absolute best hardware what's wrong with them doing so? Nobody here would ever say such a thing about buying a better computer, but apparently for phones it's the opposite mentality.

[QUOTE=Kaabii;45596551]Are you deluded? That's a serious question because I'm in shock from being asked how a Moto E is worse an iPhone 5s. I don't really feel like going into details so from a hardware standpoint and a performance standpoint it's worse in every conceivable way. In terms of OS it's entirely subjective so there's never any "winner" there. Of course it will be. Again, I'm asking how that's a bad thing. I don't know what to ascribe this mentality that being financially well off to. It's insane. If someone wants to pay $650 because they want the absolute best hardware what's wrong with them doing so? Nobody here would ever say such a thing about buying a better computer, but apparently for phones it's the opposite mentality.[/QUOTE] I don't remember anybody mentioning the Moto E, but alright. I need a phone that has two SIM cards. The iPhone 5s is objectively worse at having two SIM cards, and is thus objectively worse for me. Absolute performance is not the be-all and end-all of what you need to spend your money on. The world isn't black and white like that, and pretending it is is foolish. Not everybody wants or needs the most powerful iPhone. To a lot of people this doesn't matter. To some people, having a dirt cheap knockoff phone from China for 50 dollars that can text and browse Facebook is all they need. You could get all up in this person's face and say "But you spent money for objectively worse hardware!" and they would not give a single shit because they got what they needed from the money they spent. It's too complicated a landscape to employ such an utterly simplistic view of the world like you are currently doing. And for point two, you don't get to come at me for not wanting the absolute best hardware and then turn around and say I'm not allowed to come at you for wanting the absolute best hardware. That's not how it works, sorry. Keep your story straight, it will make you look smarter.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;45596626] And for point two, you don't get to come at me for not wanting the absolute best hardware and then turn around and say I'm not allowed to come at you for wanting the absolute best hardware. That's not how it works, sorry. Keep your story straight, it will make you look smarter.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry I didn't consider that some people prefer to have things they're aware aren't good. Also you're again conflating saving money with spending less to get less. I don't think you actually have a real argument going on here, and since I work in the smartphone industry I think I'll pass on taking any advice from you on how to look smarter when talking about them. [quote]I don't remember anybody mentioning the Moto E, but alright. I need a phone that has two SIM cards. The iPhone 5s is objectively worse at having two SIM cards, and is thus objectively worse for me. [/quote] Well I hate to tell you but since you live in the US you won't be getting the dual-SIM Moto E.

[QUOTE=Kaabii;45596638]I'm sorry I didn't consider that some people prefer to have things they're aware aren't good.[/QUOTE] I doubt that Grandma Moses down by the river gives a shit that the laptop little Jimmy got her to keep in touch with the family can't run Half-Life 2. Grandma Moses might even be aware that it's a piece of shit that can't run Half-Life 2! Doesn't matter to her, though. Some people want the best. That's fine. Some people want enough. That's fine, too.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;45596645]I doubt that Grandma Moses down by the river gives a shit that the laptop little Jimmy got her to keep in touch with the family can't run Half-Life 2. Grandma Moses might even be aware that it's a piece of shit that can't run Half-Life 2! Doesn't matter to her, though. Some people want the best. That's fine. Some people want enough. That's fine, too.[/QUOTE] Sure, and Grandma Moses doesn't go on Facepunch and ask why nobody made a version of HL2 for her cheap laptop.

Well then Grandma Moses would be a fucking idiot and an entitled prat.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;45596645]I doubt that Grandma Moses down by the river gives a shit that the laptop little Jimmy got her to keep in touch with the family can't run Half-Life 2. Grandma Moses might even be aware that it's a piece of shit that can't run Half-Life 2! Doesn't matter to her, though. Some people want the best. That's fine. Some people want enough. That's fine, too.[/QUOTE] well in terms of a phone analogy she'd probably be better off with an iphone given that it's pretty much the 'default' smartphone choice and she'd get much more consistent support that doesn't depend on the manufacturer and their specific proprietary OS branch. She'll also get more big-name developer support due to the standardized hardware, so in the event that she does actually become aware of what half-life 2 is, it'll probably come first on iOS. even though she'll probably be paying more for those conveniences

[QUOTE=Juniez;45596683]well in terms of a phone analogy she'd probably be better off with an iphone given that it's pretty much the 'default' smartphone choice and she'd get much more consistent support that doesn't depend on the manufacturer and their specific proprietary OS branch even though she'll probably be paying more for those conveniences[/QUOTE] Yeah truth be told if someone who isn't computer literate needs a smartphone I tell them to get an iPhone. I'm just posting an example of someone who doesn't have the best and doesn't really want the best, just in general. And there are people out there like that. This is why the budget Android market is so big. [editline]5th August 2014[/editline] It's also why in two years I'm probably gonna get a cheap phone like the Moto E. I found out too late that I never really used all the features in the flagships I kept buying and I would be much happier with a simple thing that can text, call, and browse the web, which is what I'm doing 99% of the time on my current phone anyway. For the other stuff I just root anyway to tweak things.

[QUOTE=SGTNAPALM;45596694]Yeah truth be told if someone who isn't computer literate needs a smartphone I tell them to get an iPhone. I'm just posting an example of someone who doesn't have the best and doesn't really want the best, just in general. And there are people out there like that. This is why the budget Android market is so big.[/QUOTE] I was in the price budget of a budget android phone and the one I was about to get was a chinese phone around $70, buut it was loaded with so much chinese bloatware, didn't have google play, and in its place was a proprietary chinese app that redirected to google play anyways - but not before sending off my credentials to a proxy server in china. And I couldn't fix it because there were no modified roms available fuck, i'd totally pay to never deal with that edit: oh, and the retailer claimed that an aosp rom was available but they were lying

[QUOTE=Kaabii;45596638]I'm sorry I didn't consider that some people prefer to have things they're aware aren't good. Also you're again conflating saving money with spending less to get less. I don't think you actually have a real argument going on here, and since I work in the smartphone industry I think I'll pass on taking any advice from you on how to look smarter when talking about them. Well I hate to tell you but since you live in the US you won't be getting the dual-SIM Moto E.[/QUOTE] I didn't even see this. Actually, saving money is about getting the most value per dollar. And to some people the iPhone isn't the best value available to them! Now, I know that this concept rocks your fucking world to its core to the point where it entirely eludes you but I'm gonna try to break it down anyway: Saving money is about spending money only on what you need. Spending money on an iPhone when you don't need an iPhone is called wasting money. Spending money on exactly what you need and no more and no less is called being responsible and it's called being frugal. Now I don't know how else to get you to grok this concept but since you've made it abundantly clear that you believe that the iPhone is the best value for every use case no matter what, and that if you don't get the iPhone you're wasting money because you're "spending money to get less," I will simply remove myself from this discussion because I've clearly failed.

[QUOTE=Kaabii;45596551] Are you kidding now? That's a serious question because I'm in shock from being asked how a Moto E is worse an iPhone 5s. I don't really feel like going into details so from a hardware standpoint and a performance standpoint it's worse in every conceivable way. In terms of OS it's entirely subjective so there's never any "winner" there.[/quote] I don't see how it's fair to compare an iPhone 5s to one specific Android phone when there's many more out there. [quote]Of course it will be. Again, I'm asking how that's a bad thing. I don't know what to ascribe this mentality that being financially well off is bad to. It's insane. If someone wants to pay $650 because they want the absolute best hardware what's wrong with them doing so? Nobody here would ever say such a thing about buying a better computer, but apparently for phones it's the opposite mentality.[/QUOTE] If you're not worrying about price, the Galaxy has much better hardware than the 5s.

[QUOTE=matt000024;45596804] If you're not worrying about price, the Galaxy has much better hardware than the 5s.[/QUOTE] Why would you buy that? You're just getting less than the iPhone.