Bobby Montoya, 7-Year-Old Transgender Child, Turned Away From Girl Scouts, Later Accepted (VIDEO) - Polidicks

[img_thumb]http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/images/Kim_Petras.jpg[/img_thumb] This is Kim Petras, she's a German pop star and a transgirl. At 2 year's Tim was showing signs of hating boy things, pushing away boys toys, cloths, even masculine colors like blue. After going to multiple child psychologists and pediatricians she was diagnosed with Gender Identity Disorder at age 4. She is just one of a growing number of cases of children showing that Gender Dysphoria appears at very young ages.

[QUOTE=Glorbo;32990184]No I didn't, I only knew that because someone told me that's what's i'm supposed to be, and that's how the world works, even if they didn't say it explicitly.[/QUOTE] Yeah you knew what gender you were, at the very least you were able to recognize differences between boys and girls Babies recognize the difference, so by the time you were 7 you'd understand which you were

[QUOTE=meppers;32990881]Wait so is bobby gay? Im really confused here[/QUOTE] I don't think bobby would have expressed a preference for either sex in terms of attraction at age 7. Transgenderism isn't really anything to do with sexuality.

[QUOTE=meppers;32990881]Wait so is bobby gay? Im really confused here[/QUOTE]sexuality has nothing to do with gender

[QUOTE=SPESSMEHREN;32985344]I knew I was a biological male, yes. I "identified" with my physiological gender, and I think you know what I meant by that statement. Or are you just dismissing anything that's not your opinion? Puberty brings a host of biological and psychological changes to the human body. Odds are he'll snap out of it during the onset of puberty.[/QUOTE] If you think people that are transgendered will just magically snap out of it, you must be really arrogant and don't want to know how transgendered people think and feel about themselves even at an early age. There's a difference between sexuality and gender; a transgender boy can want to be a girl, but still like girls. there is no straight relation to it. transgender doesnt means hes gay and wants to act girly.

[QUOTE=Skelmech;32993681][img_thumb]http://www.hindustantimes.com/news/images/Kim_Petras.jpg[/img_thumb] This is Kim Petras, she's a German pop star and a transgirl. At 2 year's Tim was showing signs of hating boy things, pushing away boys toys, cloths, even masculine colors like blue. [/QUOTE] My issue here is that it feels that because she doesn't fit with the typically masculine things, which are by no means natural and entirely culturally constructed, she feels like she would better fit when the norm if she was a girl. I dislike how gender is often perceived as a binary of discrete permanent masculine and feminine diametrically opposed traits , as opposed to a nebulous spectrum of transient culturally constructed traits. [editline]28th October 2011[/editline] It becomes much 'easier' when the gender dysphoria isn't based on cultural traits. [editline]28th October 2011[/editline] Like what probably happened in this case: show children pictures of boys and girl and asked to identify which is most like them (for example)

[QUOTE=Contag;32996224] I dislike how gender is often perceived as a binary of discrete permanent masculine and feminine diametrically opposed traits , as opposed to a nebulous spectrum of transient culturally constructed traits. [/QUOTE] This is a really good sentence. I think it would solve a lot of problems if we presented gender as a spectrum instead of a binary, as you said. It would put a hell of a lot less pressure on children to be "masculine" or "feminine" if they were simply allowed to be themselves.

It is this kind of ignorance that led my trans friend to attempt sucuide twice.

[QUOTE=Djentleman;32985268] by an organization that denies membership to Atheists.[/QUOTE] That's funny because they don't.

[QUOTE=Contag;32996224]My issue here is that it feels that because she doesn't fit with the typically masculine things, which are by no means natural and entirely culturally constructed, she feels like she would better fit when the norm if she was a girl.[/QUOTE] He's oversimplifying. She was diagnosed with it by multiple psychiatrists.

[QUOTE=SigmaLambda;32993361]"i am a boy/girl" [I]not[/I] being one among them no it's not - you have no proof of this[/QUOTE] Kids aren't mature enough and their brain isn't developed enough so that they could be taken seriously about this Please don't ever have children because you obviously have never been in contact with a child before

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32996482]This is a really good sentence. I think it would solve a lot of problems if we presented gender as a spectrum instead of a binary, as you said. It would put a hell of a lot less pressure on children to be "masculine" or "feminine" if they were simply allowed to be themselves.[/QUOTE] Doubt that'd happen any time soon. There's also a difference between liking girl things and wanting to BE a girl. However wanting to be in the girl scouts definitely sounds like the latter in this case.

Tell bobby to learn to accept that he has no vagina and get on with his life.

[QUOTE=Jetblack357;32997936]Tell bobby to learn to accept that he has no vagina and get on with his life.[/QUOTE] tell jetblack357 to learn to accept he can't post and get on with posting elsewhere

[QUOTE=Jetblack357;32997936]Tell bobby to learn to accept that he has no vagina and get on with his life.[/QUOTE] Tell jetblack357 to learn to accept his extreme mental dysfunction and get on with his life.

[QUOTE=N0 WAR;32988038]If this was a homosexual, you transphobic idiots would preach love and tolerance, which is good. But since it's a transgender, you're suddenly "Ooooh they're too immature and ignorant for their age". I don't think they're the ones who are immature and ignorant, finding out who you really are at 7 takes more maturity than some of you have.[/QUOTE] Yeah well, more than often these cases are the results of the parents doing... [editline]27th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Megafanx13;32998113]Tell jetblack357 to learn to accept his extreme mental dysfunction and get on with his life.[/QUOTE] nope.

[QUOTE=Jetblack357;32998182]Yeah well, more than often these cases are the results of the parents doing...[/QUOTE] You're an uneducated hick.

[QUOTE=Jetblack357;32998182]Yeah well, more than often these cases are the results of the parents doing... [editline]27th October 2011[/editline] nope.[/QUOTE] Fuck off

[QUOTE=Jetblack357;32998182]Yeah well, more than often these cases are the results of the parents doing... [editline]27th October 2011[/editline] nope.[/QUOTE] your posts are giving me cancer. please stop.

ITT: jetblack is a douche and nobody likes him

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32996482]This is a really good sentence. I think it would solve a lot of problems if we presented gender as a spectrum instead of a binary, as you said. It would put a hell of a lot less pressure on children to be "masculine" or "feminine" if they were simply allowed to be themselves.[/QUOTE] I found out recently in the past that both boys and girls tended to wear dresses up to age 3 or 4. It was done more as a matter of convenience than anything else. Easier to change a diaper when the kid isn't wearing any pants.

[QUOTE=Zeke129;32998205]You're an uneducated hick.[/QUOTE] No seriously, parents are generally the cause of this shit. They pressure em into acting this way. [editline]27th October 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=Lambeth;32999742]I found out recently in the past that both boys and girls tended to wear dresses up to age 3 or 4. It was done more as a matter of convenience than anything else. Easier to change a diaper when the kid isn't wearing any pants.[/QUOTE] I'll admit, I did like barbies when I was like... 4 or 5?

[QUOTE=Jetblack357;32999744]No seriously, parents are generally the cause of this shit. They pressure em into acting this way. [editline]27th October 2011[/editline] I'll admit, I did like barbies when I was like... 4 or 5?[/QUOTE] Why are you posting your opinion on transgenders if you know nothing at all about them?

[QUOTE=Jetblack357;32999744]No seriously, parents are generally the cause of this shit. They pressure em into acting this way.[/QUOTE] Go read up on Gender Identity Disorder you putz Smarter men than you have already proven you wrong

[QUOTE=Jetblack357;32999744]No seriously, parents are generally the cause of this shit. They pressure em into acting this way. [editline]27th October 2011[/editline] I'll admit, I did like barbies when I was like... 4 or 5?[/QUOTE] You're a god damn moron for thinking that parents can change the sexuality of a child.

lol @ the hillbillies itt

[QUOTE=Jetblack357;32999744]No seriously, parents are generally the cause of this shit. They pressure em into acting this way. [editline]27th October 2011[/editline] I'll admit, I did like barbies when I was like... 4 or 5?[/QUOTE] My friend's parents hate him for being transgendered What the hell makes you think his parents would have wanted it that way, considering their opinion? tl;dr You are a stupid hick that needs to GTFO of facepunch and never come back [editline]28th October 2011[/editline] What my best friend had to go through [quote] how i found out my sexuality early 7th grade has got to be the biggest event in my life. one day, i looked in the mirror and felt...different. emotions came onto me, dreams, nightmares, and so much regret. i couldn't figure it out. why i didnt feel like....me anymore. when i first learned the words gay and lesbian, i thought maybe i was gay...but no that wasn't it. 8th grade started my depression became worse. i ended up being suicidal and felt like hurting myself. it finally became a serious problem to the point when i picked up that knife...confused even more, i started denying my sexuality. i kept looking and searching the internet of what is this feeling. the term came up...everything that has matched...transgendered. no, it wasn't true. i remembered backing away from my computer and crying hard. i couldn't believe it. im...a boy and i knew it. its true, thats how i felt, thats why my mind was so confused. i knew my parents could never, EVER accept me. i grabbed that razor blade and slowly took the pain away...god it felt like it was helping me calm down. months past, and i had an arm full of cuts...but it didn't stop my mind from telling me im a male...thats the final point when the word "suicide" came into my mind. i grabbed the Tylenol pills and slowly put out 7 of them...then... *blackout* i woke up the next morning in the hospital next to my crying mother. i have been told i overdosed and passed out. i was lucky enough to have been rushed to the hospital. now, i was being sentenced to a mental hospital where i will stay there for a week. when i came out of there i felt better, people actually understood me. however...i was still in the closet.... months passed and being stuck in the closet made me seem weaker than ever. after the argument with my family i couldn't handle the pressure and thats when i stepped into the freeway.... i realized i was very very VERY lucky it was only a hit on the knee. i finally realize AFTER coming out of the mental hospital again, i needed to tell my parents before this continues. September 23, 2010. i met with the LAUSD school therapist that works with all the LGBT students around the school district. my parents and i came in and now, it was time "mom, dad, i need to tell you something. im not who you think i was" i explained everything that has been happening "so i found out that...im a transgendered male." -silence- my mom and dad looked so shocked that the therapist asked me to wait outside so she can talk to them -half an hour later- "Emily, your father and i....we cannot accept this" my heart dropped...i felt like i was going to cry, my throat squeezed tightly... "its because...this isn't who you are, please dont do this. we might accept you if you're lesbian but-" "SHUT THE FUCK UP! I CANT BELIEVE THIS! you're my parents. how could you not accept me?! i cant control who i am! why cant you just accept it!!!" and i ran out crying. it wasn't until the therapist told me i need to give my parents time, she said she'll talk to them about LGBT people. today, my parents still dont accept me, but at least im not kicked out. -this story is for all of you to see how i came out and hopefully other peoples stories will make the homophobes realize that its difficult being different...gay, lesbian, bisexual, or being transgendered. how hard it is to be accepted, how our lives can be threatening. how it affects your life too.[/quote]

I had to go through something similar :/

[QUOTE=SSBMX;33002032]My friend's parents hate him for being transgendered What the hell makes you think his parents would have wanted it that way, considering their opinion? tl;dr You are a stupid hick that needs to GTFO of facepunch and never come back [editline]28th October 2011[/editline] What my best friend had to go through[/QUOTE] The difference is though is that this person was probably going through puberty and would be able to come to this realization But 7 years old? It's a possibility but with young kids you can't ever know and it would be best to wait until they're older or you may do something you regret.

[QUOTE=Meller Yeller;33003472]The difference is though is that this person was probably going through puberty and would be able to come to this realization But 7 years old? It's a possibility but with young kids you can't ever know and it would be best to wait until they're older or you may do something you regret.[/QUOTE] How many bloody times does it have to be said that this kid isn't having therapy or surgery or anything, she just wants to live as a girl and join the girl scouts at this moment in time where she feels this way? These threads are like broken records.