Richard Stallman, founder of the GNU project and champion of open source, is urging Linux users to N - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Sir Whoopsalot;36282004]Surely I'm not the only one who thinks that list kinda oozes paranoia and has an unhealthy amount of nitpicking?[/QUOTE] Incorrect and loaded terms passed off as normal are a bad thing. I can accept terms like Photoshop or MP3 player and the GLAMP thing is nitpicking but using correct and neutral language is important.

[QUOTE=install gentoo;36282062]Incorrect and loaded terms passed off as normal are a bad thing. I can accept terms like Photoshop or MP3 player and the GLAMP thing is nitpicking but using correct and neutral language is important.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but language like "That presupposes that proprietary software is legitimate" kind of throws the neutral language aspect out the window. Oh, and I like how the word 'content' apparently automatically means its only purpose is for money rather than, you know, actual content. I can get behind the various entries on free software and the confusion around it but there is absolutely no way in hell you're gonna convince me this guy uses neutral language.

Everybody uses the word Kleenex to say tissue, and nobody gets their panties up in a bunch over it. (Maybe the folks at Puffs do)

[quote]SECTION 7: IN REGARDS TO THE FREE SOFTWARE FOUNDATION AND THE GNU PROJECT If you are, have been, or plan to be associated or affiliated with the Free Software Foundation or the GNU project, then under no circumstances are you permitted to discuss, criticize, or otherwise consider this License, nor are you permitted to use the Work under this License, or any derivative work thereof, without express written consent from the Author. You understand that merely using the GNU project or using or authoring a work under a GNU license, such as the GPL, does not associate you in any way with the Free Software Foundation or the GNU project.[/quote] take that GNUtcases [editline]10th June 2012[/editline] (the 7 is just a bullshit section number I made up)

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genericized_trademark[/url]

[QUOTE=Loriborn;36280105]I don't understand this, and maybe that's because I don't own a Linux system. If this is what he's saying, does he want everyone to just use Linux to play free or pirated games rather than buy games that have any form of DRM?[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Loriborn;36280115]Right, so the moral of it is: "Anything that costs money doesn't support freedom. Me telling you not to use it supports freedom."[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=DarkendSky;36280250]I really hate a lot of the Linux community for pretty much this reason. They act like if anybody besides Red Hat does commercial software, it's gonna be like Windows and every distro will be locked down or something. For a bunch of pretty smart guys, most of them are retarded.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Maloof?;36280350]I sort of get where he's coming from but the idea that programs ('information') should be free is stupid. It boils down to asking programmers/GUI artists/etc to work for free[/QUOTE] Red Hat produces enterprise Linux: it costs money to use, you have to pay. Still Red Hat is considered to produce free software: because once purchased it can be used without limitation. Even Stallman's own Free Software Foundation supports the idea of selling free software: [quote=Wikipedia]The Free Software Foundation encourages selling free software. As the Foundation has written, "Distributing free software is an opportunity to raise funds for development. Don't waste it!".[28] For example the GNU GPL which is the Free Software Foundation's license states that "[the user] may charge any price or no price for each copy that you convey, and you may offer support or warranty protection for a fee."[29][/quote] The definition of free software is that it is free as in "freedom" not free as in "free beer". The issue, then, with Steam is that it uses DRM, as unobtrusive as the vast majority of us find it to be.

[QUOTE=Mingebox;36280282]I've noticed that the people who hate steam [I]really [/I]hate it.[/QUOTE] Try going on the elder scrolls forums. You'd think half of the user base had steam rape and kill their entire family with how much they hate on it, its rather hilarious Pretty clear who the people are on the forum that literally play no PC games at all, except elderscrolls

[QUOTE=Mingebox;36280282]I've noticed that the people who hate steam [I]really [/I]hate it.[/QUOTE] And I've noticed that the people who hate Origin [i]really[/i] hate it, just another day on the internet.

Why is he always wearing a red polo shirt? Or has he been wearing the same shirt for the past 30 years?

While stallman stands for a arguably good cause (i.e. the whole 'free as in freedom' schtick and companies not abusing users through software), he's a bit too extreme for my tastes. he gets a 8/10 for effort, but minus several billion for good thinking. EDIT: I use both open-source and closed-source OSes and software on a daily basis. What now, huh?

tbh a lot of the foss foundation is a bit mental.

this is what happens when you mix being a cult leader with a deontological ethical system

/g/ is going to love this.

If you think about it, it makes sense. He's not trying to stop it, simply trying to get people to stop TALKING about it, which is not that crazy.

[QUOTE=Maximo13;36282823]If you think about it, it makes sense. He's not trying to stop it, simply trying to get people to stop TALKING about it, which is not that crazy.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]If you want freedom, one requisite for it is not having these games on your computer. That much is clear.[/QUOTE] Sounds like he wants it stopped to me.

[QUOTE=Maximo13;36282823]If you think about it, it makes sense. He's not trying to stop it, simply trying to get people to stop TALKING about it, which is not that crazy.[/QUOTE] it's very crazy

[QUOTE=Stonecycle;36280176]No wonder we hate the GPL license. Where's that stupid picture I posted back in LMAO Pics?[/QUOTE] we hate the GPL license? no we don't, GPL is the best software license around

[QUOTE=Maximo13;36282823]If you think about it, it makes sense. He's not trying to stop it, simply trying to get people to stop TALKING about it, which is not that crazy.[/QUOTE] "You need to have freedom but don't talk about something I don't like". Yeah, that doesn't sound crazy.

Well I can understand his viewpoint. Steam is a rather strict DRM system and it goes against his philosophy of a platform that is as open as possible. Maybe if Steam went DRM-free then he would be content with it. Haven't heard him kick up a shit about anything else that is commercial yet DRM-free (such as the humble bundles, if anything he probably supports those).

Does he really care about video games being open? They are primarily made for entertainment, unlike conventional software. As long as I don't get freedom intrusive DRM, I don't care.

I agree with him, the only games on Linux should be the shit ones that come prebundled in packages that look and play like they were designed by someone who was failing a games design course.

I guess what he fears is that by allowing a major closed source company to sell their stuff on the platform and make a killing they will also make people who previously contributed open source to stop contributing for free and go on a commercial binge.

[QUOTE=OnDemand;36283078]I guess what he fears is that by allowing a major closed source company to sell their stuff on the platform and make a killing they will also make people who previously contributed open source to stop contributing for free and go on a commercial binge.[/QUOTE] Thankfully once software has been released under a free license it cannot legally retroactively be made more restrictive. If a company does make a newer version of a previously-free project nonfree or just generally shitty in any way, what happens is the community takes the old version that was good and/or legal and makes a fork- their own continuation. That's what happened to Open Office- Oracle bought Sun Microsystems, shat all over everything, and the community made a fork of Open Office called Libre Office, which is supposed to be better. Sun keeps on chucking out Open Office, but now the community develops Libre Office by themselves, and it is available for download, besides being the default office suite in Ubuntu Linux. I might be wrong on any of this, I use Linux but am not totally active in the FOSS community.

Oh, no! Now nobody is going to play all those open-source penguin-themed cloned preinstalled games anymore! Think of SuperTux and TuxRacer! :C

[QUOTE=ButtsexV3;36282942]we hate the GPL license? no we don't, GPL is the best software license around[/QUOTE] yeah if you don't want to make any money at all off programming

I get that he wants an OS where everything is free, that would be great. But Linux will never, ever take off properly without commercial software. I see more and more videos about people complaining of how lacking linux is with certain software and how the open source model doesn't reward developers one single bit. [editline]11th June 2012[/editline] Oh, and : [img]http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lztiwz4fm41rof3cao1_400.png[/img]

This guy is a bit of a nutter, he has done some nice work though

he doesn't realise what he tries to persuade isn't freedom either, it's just his, opposite view that he tries to force. I fell for his bullshit theories once.

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[QUOTE=Silikone;36284085][img]http://oi50.tinypic.com/334hhmg.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] "Close your eyes if you don't want to know the build"