[QUOTE=Pascall;50727913]I wonder if he shot at them or just the vehicle though. Is it possible to just aim for a tire or something?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]The mother told deputies the teens did not tell her about the incident until they saw the car had a flat tire and bullet holes in the rear tire, hubcap and fender.[/QUOTE]
Seems like he took pot shots to the car out of retaliation, but this guy is way too trigger happy to have a gun.
[QUOTE=Kaios;50728001]Seems like he took pot shots to the car out of retaliation, but this guy is way too trigger happy to have a gun.[/QUOTE]
Yeah I agree, but I figured this would be taken a lot more seriously if he was actually taking shots AT them instead of just their car so I was curious.
[QUOTE=IceTea;50727989]Judging from the article, it doesn't sound like they were given a chance to.
Given the option of trying to negotiate with what they think is a random guy with a gun, and trying to escape? I'd go with getting right the fuck out of there.[/QUOTE]
Actually, yeah, it seemed the guy was a bit too crazy with the gun, displaying it as soon as the kids saw him.
Both of them were irresponsible, I guess then. The guy should have been way more conservative, and the kids should have paid more attention to their surroundings.
This guy had no right to tell them to not move, and they were under no obligation to respond to him. He definitely had no right to point a gun at them. When he did, Florida's stand your ground law gave the driver full right to hit him with the car, although I seriously doubt they intended to do that anyway. This is a man who doesn't seem reasonable enough to deserve his gun rights.
Seriously though, if you are aggressive enough to intentionally leave your home in the middle of the night to pursue people who are completely harmless, you're probably paranoid enough to also believe someone is running you down when they are actually trying to get the hell out of the shitty situation you put them in.
Florida Man was in the wrong since he made the incorrect assumption that some kids parked outside his house were thieves and he brandished in a non life-threatening situation
[QUOTE=Omilinon;50728030]Actually, yeah, it seemed the guy was a bit too crazy with the gun, displaying it as soon as the kids saw him.
Both of them were irresponsible, I guess then. The guy should have been way more conservative, and the kids should have paid more attention to their surroundings.[/QUOTE]
I hate to borrow such an annoying and controversial phrase, but how is this not victim blaming? I understand that it's not a GOOD idea to be out at 1:30 AM in Florida, but fuck, it seems wrong to hold it against them.
[QUOTE=Most wanteD;50728055]I hate to borrow such an annoying and controversial phrase, but how is this not victim blaming? I understand that it's not a GOOD idea to be out at 1:30 AM in Florida, but fuck, it seems wrong to hold it against them.[/QUOTE]
I'm not [I]blaming[/I] them. I realize the dude in definitely in the wrong now. But come on, two teens making a lot of noise in the middle of the night? Forget about what actually happened, what if the cops were called on them? Or if this was a more dangerous neighborhood? Just because the guy was in the wrong, doesn't mean the kids should've paid more attention to what they were doing beforehand.
[QUOTE=Omilinon;50728030]The guy should have been way more conservative[/QUOTE]
he seemed pretty conservative all right
anyways, who's to say the guy didn't lie about the part where the kids tried to run him over? and even if they did, what if the driver was thinking "he's going to shoot me, it's either kill or be killed now" subconsciously?
the man thought he was already robbed, he went outside and tried to hold up the ''thieves''. that didn't work and he shot at the tires of the car, most likely to get them to not escape so the cops can come. He did call the police. I don't see how this guy was trigger happy.
[QUOTE=noh_mercy;50728117]the man thought he was already robbed, he went outside and tried to hold up the ''thieves''. that didn't work and he shot at the tires of the car, most likely to get them to not escape so the cops can come. He did call the police. I don't see how this guy was trigger happy.[/QUOTE]
They weren't even on his property and immediately pointed a gun at them.
There was no reasoning or negotiating, he just thought "guilty until proven innocent" and resorted to violence before the incident even started. I'd definitely say this man seems pretty damn excited to shoot someone.
[QUOTE=Aztec;50727944]If someone raises a gun at you and you do not know their intentions then I would say it's perfectly reasonable to try and plow into them instead of dying. If the guy thought he was being robbed he should have called the police. His actions make no sense and were clearly not in self defense at all.[/QUOTE]
If someone is pointing a gun at you and you arent dead yet, it's because they havent decided to shoot you yet. Trying to ram them with a car (which moves much slower than bullets) is a surefire way to make them lean towards shooting you regardless of their initial intentions.
[QUOTE=Omilinon;50728088]I'm not [I]blaming[/I] them. I realize the dude in definitely in the wrong now. But come on, two teens making a lot of noise in the middle of the night? Forget about what actually happened, what if the cops were called on them? Or if this was a more dangerous neighborhood? Just because the guy was in the wrong, doesn't mean the kids should've paid more attention to what they were doing beforehand.[/QUOTE]
So what if cops were called? They did nothing wrong
[editline]17th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=Rebi;50728154]If someone is pointing a gun at you and you arent dead yet, it's because they havent decided to shoot you yet. Trying to ram them with a car (which moves much slower than bullets) is a surefire way to make them lean towards shooting you regardless of their initial intentions.[/QUOTE]
Risk getting shot or escaping vs getting shot, I'll take the chance.
"The vehicle sped towards him and [B]he moved out of its path. He then fired rounds at the vehicle[/B] because he said it "was attempting to strike him," Troiano said."
Based how the article is written and where the bullets holes were [b]'rear tire, hubcap and fender'[/b], the guy started shooting them after they posed no threat to him. He was shooting them in retaliation for fleeing.
Might be a different situation if the bullet holes were found in the front then it could be consider self defense. But since the holes were found on the back of the vehicle I doubt that could be consider self defense because they were already past him and on their way.
[QUOTE=noh_mercy;50728117]the man thought he was already robbed, he went outside and tried to hold up the ''thieves''. that didn't work and he shot at the tires of the car, most likely to get them to not escape so the cops can come. He did call the police. I don't see how this guy was trigger happy.[/QUOTE]
I'm not from America but if I ever had a gun pointed at me and knew I had done nothing wrong(because I was out playing Pokemon lol) I would assume the gunman to be a nutcase and get away fast as possible.
[quote]I thought they might have been casing my house so I [I]pointed a lethal weapon at them and told them to not move[/I][/quote]
Are you kidding me? They probably thought they were being carjacked, this guy is fucking retarded.
[QUOTE=Michael haxz;50727812]I honestly thought that he just out of the blue shot at them. I can understand why now if it appeared that the car tried to run him over.[/QUOTE]
Well I mean he probably scared the shit out of them
[QUOTE=phygon;50728211]Are you kidding me? They probably thought they were being carjacked, this guy is fucking retarded.[/QUOTE]
What if he thought they had guns too? In his mind, they already robbed your house, they are criminals, whats the chances of them not having a gun?
[QUOTE=DJrorok;50728363]What if he thought they had guns too? In his mind, they already robbed your house, they are criminals, whats the chances of them not having a gun?[/QUOTE]
So, shoot first ask questions later?
If someone points a gun at you, you listen to what they say. Trying to run the guy over is the equivalent of punching someone who is asking you for your wallet at gunpoint.
The shooter is in deep shit though, he wasn't in danger and should have stayed in his house and called the cops.
[QUOTE=3picFail;50728430]If someone points a gun at you, you listen to what they say. Trying to run the guy over is the equivalent of punching someone who is asking you for your wallet at gunpoint.
The shooter is in deep shit though, he wasn't in danger and should have stayed in his house and called the cops.[/QUOTE]
If I have a chance of escaping a guy who for all I know could be a carjacker/thief, sorry but I'm taking that route.
[QUOTE=DJrorok;50728363]What if he thought they had guns too? In his mind, they already robbed your house, they are criminals, whats the chances of them not having a gun?[/QUOTE]
the guy in the car next to me keeps looking at me, he might have a gun in his car and be planning to shoot me, i should get my gun out and threaten him before he gets the chance
[QUOTE=Del91;50728372]So, shoot first ask questions later?[/QUOTE]
Told them to stop, they drove towards him. He did the opposite and your still blaming him.
[QUOTE=TheHydra;50728498]the guy in the car next to me keeps looking at me, he might have a gun in his car and be planning to shoot me, i should get my gun out and threaten him before he gets the chance[/QUOTE]
Because that scenario is literally exactly like this one. Nothing different between them. I had to squint to tell you were talking about something else.
[QUOTE=Most wanteD;50728040]Seriously though, if you are aggressive enough to intentionally leave your home in the middle of the night to pursue [b]people who are completely harmless[/b], you're probably paranoid enough to also believe someone is running you down when they are actually trying to get the hell out of the shitty situation you put them in.[/QUOTE]
You don't know that
[QUOTE=Pascall;50727913]I wonder if he shot at them or just the vehicle though. Is it possible to just aim for a tire or something?[/QUOTE]
That's extremely wreckless and sounds like something that only works in fiction
This guy is 100% in the wrong lol, its a good thing none of them died. Idk what this crap about common sense is but I think assuming the worst when some crazy fuck points a gun at you at 1:30 am is more common sense than checking neighborhoods for Pokemon, my neighborhood has stops and rares too, its not just public places
[editline]17th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=DJrorok;50728535]Told them to stop, they drove towards him. He did the opposite and your still blaming him.[/QUOTE]
lol wtf, its not like he walked up and said stop he pulled a gun on them and started screaming IN THE MIDDLE OF THE NIGHT
[editline]17th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50728547]You don't know that[/QUOTE]
I too live in perpetual fear, and always pull guns on strangers
this isn't a cop responding to a call, this is an old asshole waving his gun at teens
I'm not sure it's a good idea to hold people at gunpoint over a vague suspicion that they might be burglars.
[QUOTE=DJrorok;50728535]Because that scenario is literally exactly like this one. Nothing different between them. I had to squint to tell you were talking about something else.[/QUOTE]
it is the same situation. both are examples of someone acting irresponsibly with a gun on property they don't own due to a paranoid fantasy.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50728547]You don't know that[/QUOTE]
Well they certainly were harmless by virtue of being outside while he was in his house. If he thought they were dangerous maybe he shouldn't have walked up to them to begin with.
[QUOTE=Kljunas;50728592]Well they certainly were harmless by virtue of being outside while he was in his house. If he thought they were dangerous maybe he shouldn't have walked up to them to begin with.[/QUOTE]
You don't know that
You can't read people's minds and know why they're there
Call the cops?
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