[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50728603]You don't know that
You can't read people's minds and know why they're there[/QUOTE]
What I'm saying is as long as they're outside in their car and he's inside they can't cause him harm.
[QUOTE=Michael haxz;50727812]I honestly thought that he just out of the blue shot at them. I can understand why now if it appeared that the car tried to run him over.[/QUOTE]
First of all you jump in front of a car yelling and pointing guns you deserve anything that happens next. Second inside the full article the kids mother called in and the police interview with the kids said they heard gunshots immediately after the "did you catch it" conversation.
Who am I supposed to believe the delusional asshole who thinks its ok to shoot at cars or the gaming teens who dismissed getting shot at as someone trying to scare them?
Far as I can tell the only evidence is the guys bullet holes all over their fender, tires and hubcap. So all you can prove is this guy shot them while they were driving away.
[editline]17th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50728603]You don't know that
You can't read people's minds and know why they're there[/QUOTE]
Where are you from that it's considered rational to open fire on people for no reason but presence lol
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50728639]Where are you from that it's considered rational to open fire on people for no reason but presence lol[/QUOTE]
Thanks for putting words in my mouth.
I just said you don't know what other people are doing at 1:30 AM by your house.
If im just parked on the side of the road and some lunatic runs up to me with his gun screaming at me not to move, there are a number of things i might do, one of them is to step on the gas and try to get away from the hijacker/serial killer/gunman, and if he's standing in front or slightly to the side of the car (he was, its bullshit that he was "in front" of the car if he could so easily step aside before the car reached him).
[QUOTE=Del91;50728372]So, shoot first ask questions later?[/QUOTE]
Maybe don't get guns involved unless you're 100% certain that they are committing a crime against you
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50728665]Thanks for putting words in my mouth.
I just said you don't know what other people are doing at 1:30 AM by your house.[/QUOTE]
What purpose does it serve pointing this out besides a dumb attempt at justifying his doing this
They were on a road too.
[QUOTE=Michael haxz;50727812]I honestly thought that he just out of the blue shot at them. I can understand why now if it appeared that the car tried to run him over.[/QUOTE]
To me it sounds more like "[i]oh shit I just shot at a bunch of kids, I better come up with a 'self-defense' reason so I don't sound like a complete maniac.[/i]"
[QUOTE=A B.A. Survivor;50727836]Though I was and still am a boring, lame dickmongrel who never leaves the house, I do know from research that teenagers do not make smart choices and often seek midnight adventure.[/QUOTE]
I'm 21 and I love the occasional midnight stroll. It's quiet and nice. Pokémon Go is just another reason to do them to me.
Although [I]I[/I] stick to the sidewalk and [I]don't[/I] wander into other peoples property. v:v:v
[QUOTE=V12US;50728691]To me it sounds more like "[i]oh shit I just shot at a bunch of kids, I better come up with a 'self-defense' reason so I don't sound like a complete maniac.[/i]"[/QUOTE]
this is exactly what it sounds like when the mom called to report it:
[quote=OP's Article]The mother told deputies the teens did not tell her about the incident until they saw the car had a flat tire and bullet holes in the rear tire, hubcap and fender.
Officials talked with the teens who said they were sitting in the car hunting two Pokemon—a Marowak and Tauros.
One said "Did you catch him?" and the other responded "Yeah, did you?" That's when the teens said they heard gunfire and sped away, Troiano said.
When they got home they checked to see if they were injured or if there was any damage to the vehicle. They didn't see anything and decided not to report it because they thought "it was someone trying to scare them," Troiano said.[/quote]
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50728686]What purpose does it serve pointing this out besides a dumb attempt at justifying his doing this
They were on a road too.[/QUOTE]
Because you guys are only looking at it from one perspective
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50728717]Because you guys are only looking at it from one perspective[/QUOTE]
So I ask again in what world is it at all justifiable to shoot at teens on public roads, simply because they're there?
Blind paranoia is no excuse to shoot people, especially not on your property
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50728732]So I ask again in what world is it justifiable to shoot at teens on public roads, simply because they're there?[/QUOTE]
Again with words in my mouth
[quote]That's when the man stepped in front of the vehicle, thinking they had possibly broken into his home, raised his gun [b]and ordered them not to move[/b][/quote]
That's clear bullshit though, the only person saying that is him and the teens unwittingly denied it when asked what happened in their interview. The only evidence is gunshots on their car and pointing guns at people wouldn't be justifiable either, ontop of the fact he shot at them when they drove away, he had no authority to accost them. Quit deflecting.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50728742]Again with words in my mouth[/QUOTE]
Oh yes, his unlawful, at gunpoint order. He's no better than a carjacker at that point, second from just giving away their car its not a terrible idea to just duck and floor it.
And the teen's accounts has no mention of any warnings, just gunfire followed by them speeding away. In this case, im way more inclined to believe the people who arent already proven to be crazy gun toting maniacs.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50728742]Again with words in my mouth[/QUOTE]
this guy isn't a cop. he can't just order people not to move with a fucking gun on public property.
[QUOTE=Coyoteze;50728692]I'm 21 and I love the occasional midnight stroll. It's quiet and nice. Pokémon Go is just another reason to do them to me.
Although [I]I[/I] stick to the sidewalk and [I]don't[/I] wander into other peoples property. v:v:v[/QUOTE]
Read the article they were in their car on a road, not anyone's property
Idiot gun owner. Looking for trouble, leaving his property and shooting a fleeing car on a public road. I would even be doubtful without video proof that the car attempted to run him down like he said. I could stand on the sidewalk and stare at your house all I wanted, all night as long as I wasn't verbally threatening or on private property. Doesn't warrant being able to be held up at gunpoint against my will.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50728742]Again with words in my mouth[/QUOTE]
Assuming that did happen
You think it's okay to draw a weapon on someone and aim it at them, then give them demands because you [I]THINK[/I] they [I]MIGHT[/I] have committed a nonviolent crime?
That guy needlessly escalated a nothing-situation and I hope his gun license is revoked and he faces fines or jail time.
That's so careless, aggressive and trigger-happy on his part.
I'm for owning guns but I would not feel safe with someone like him owning one
Don't forget to make him pay the insurance for the fender, hubcap and tires he damaged shooting at them
[QUOTE=VenomousBeetle;50728810]Read the article they were in their car on a road, not anyone's property[/QUOTE]
I know. My response was to people making idiotic decisions in relation to this game in general.
Why are you people even arguing about this? Fucking SH sometimes.
[QUOTE=Michael haxz;50727812]I honestly thought that he just out of the blue shot at them. I can understand why now if it appeared that the car tried to run him over.[/QUOTE]
I would've tried to run the dude over too if I thought I was about to die from a gunshot.
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He pulled a gun on people because they were sitting in a car having a conversation and he [I]thought[/I] they [I]might[/I] have robbed him because he heard a brief segment of aforementioned conversation as he was walking up [I]even though it's not like he saw any broken windows or anything[/I], then fired when they drove away because, I dunno, maybe they had a fucking gun aimed at them and they didn't want to get shot or carjacked or robbed?
People can't go for a fucking drive these days without getting fucking guns aimed at them.
[QUOTE=BLOB Fish Dude;50727817]It's a crime to be out past 1:30 a.m.? What the fuck is wrong with you? Going out past your bedtime and you deserved to be shot? What kind of logic is that? I could understand if they were physically on his property but they were just in their car.[/QUOTE]
The assumptions are strong here
Not only did he never say it's a crime to be out at 1:30am but he didn't even insinuate being shot at was justified - speaking of which, they weren't just in their car, they fucking sped towards the guy who was standing in front of the car.. Did you actually bother to read even the synopsis or were you too busy seeking someone to bitch out?
I've said it in other Pokemon related threads, but common sense plays heavily into this. For one, parking outside someone's house you don't know at 1:30am doesn't typically look very good and speeding towards someone who orders you not to move at gunpoint is definitely stupid
[editline]18th July 2016[/editline]
[QUOTE=phygon;50728855]Assuming that did happen
You think it's okay to draw a weapon on someone and aim it at them, then give them demands because you [I]THINK[/I] they [I]MIGHT[/I] have committed a nonviolent crime?[/QUOTE]
Some states give you the right to protect your property like that, so yeah, and given the scenario, seeing a car parked in front of the house, hearing "did you get anything", I'd say the guy wasn't crazy to think that his house had/was being robbed.
ALL THAT BEING SAID, SHOOTING AT THE VEHICLE WAS UNNECESSARY AND NOT JUSTIFIED (before someone has a pissy-fit and puts words in my mouth)
[QUOTE=Kylel999;50729029] speaking of which, they weren't just in their car, they fucking sped towards the guy who was standing in front of the car..[/QUOTE]
Yeah according to the guy who shot at them, and literally no one else
[QUOTE=Kylel999;50729029]Did you actually bother to read even the synopsis or were you too busy seeking someone to bitch out?)[/QUOTE]
Did [b]you[/b] bother to even read the article before arguing about things using points that only the perpetrator claims and can't prove?
[QUOTE=Kylel999;50729029]
I've said it in other Pokemon related threads, but common sense plays heavily into this. For one, parking outside someone's house you don't know at 1:30am doesn't typically look very good and speeding towards someone who orders you not to move at gunpoint is definitely stupid
[/QUOTE]
you aren't even trying to hide the bias, and he had no right to accost them, gun or no gun. Also trying to get away from the crazy guy that fires at you at 1 in the morning, totally not common sense...
[QUOTE=Pascall;50727796]Why are they out at 1:30AM creeping around..
Common sense, man. I know they're teenagers, but they're still capable of making smart choices.[/QUOTE]
I'm not sure about you but adolescents and kids tend to hang out at nights and go out. Of course, some might do some dumb shit like exploring private property or being in places where they don't have any business but that's what a lot of younger people do. If guns use was that liberal where I live, I would have probably been shot several times because I always used to explore various buildings and areas when I was young. Worst case scenario is that some guy is yelling at you to fuck off instead of taking a bullet.
Assuming this is all his account of what happened.
[quote]A man was sleeping in his Palm Coast area home about 1:30 a.m. when a loud noise woke him up. The 37-year-old looked outside and spotted a white car parked in the road outside his Primrose Lane house, said Flagler County Sheriff's Office Jim Troiano.
[B]He grabbed his handgun and went outside to investigate. [/B]As he came up to the car, he overheard one of the two teens say "did you get anything?" Troiano said.[/quote]
He already voided any sort of lawful protection with this. He initiated the encounter. "stand your ground," not "leave your ground to investigate"
[quote]That's when the man stepped in front of the vehicle, thinking they had possibly broken into his home, raised his gun and ordered them not to move, officials said.[/quote]
The car is literally on the road, he's out of his home. He has no grounds.
[quote]The vehicle sped towards him and he moved out of its path. He then fired rounds at the vehicle because he said it "was attempting to strike him," Troiano said.[/quote]
Fuckin lol. This is a dense one.
First, by the very nature of him being in front of the car, the car only has two directions it can go in: back up slowly away from him, which would provide the teen's unknown assailant a very easy target, or forward at high speed, which provides a very hard to hit target and the shooter has to get out of the way. They were literally defending themselves.
Then, by his own admission on the order of events, he opened fire AFTER the car ceased presenting him with a threat (ie bearing down on him). It's like trying to shoot a fleeing robber in the back, the only one going to jail is you.
[QUOTE=KillerJaguar;50728742]Again with words in my mouth[/QUOTE]
In the middle of the road? Its not his property and for all we know they could have been talking about his neighbor's house across the street if they were actually thieves. The man is an idiot.
[QUOTE=noh_mercy;50728117]the man thought he was already robbed, he went outside and tried to hold up the ''thieves''. that didn't work and he shot at the tires of the car, most likely to get them to not escape so the cops can come. He did call the police. I don't see how this guy was trigger happy.[/QUOTE]
the two most basic rules of gun ownership are to not draw unless your life is in danger and to not attempt to escalate situations. he failed at both
going up to a car and trying to hold the occupants at gunpoint makes you a common thug
If the guy was nearly hit by the car in the first place, I imagine that he was essentially firing on a vehicle that was a good distance away at that point - not that it devalues the risk of shooting the inhabitants, but it at least decreased the odds of hitting them. .. and increases the odds of hitting anyone else in the area, even if it was 1:30 in the morning.
Although the fact that his first thought at nearly being run over by what he thought were potential criminals is to pull out his fucking gun and start shooting in the middle of the street was probably not an A+ decision either.
[b]EDIT:[/b] Wait, I misread that. He had the gun out before they'd driven off. I mean, on one hand thinking crooks are breaking in is a big deal and all, but still. I'm not really sure what to think on this.
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