Japanese government blocks ban on child pornography

[DoomMarine23]

Yeah true, I'm talking ethic morality though

[wewt!]

Japan is just weird, k?
Although, maybe they blocked that ban because they're working on that problem from their own angle and haven't announced it yet?

[mdakin]

brb, moving to japan.

[Inspector Jones]

[QUOTE=doommarine23;21999702]Yeah true, I'm talking ethic morality though[/QUOTE]

I don't really see how Loli is wrong, or at least any more wrong then regular porn. Perverted? Yes. Wrong morally? Sure. Then again, isn't all porn wrong ethically and morally?

[Sharo]

[QUOTE=johanz;21992472]Explain me how will a 40 yr old man and a 13yr old child be a win-win?
It isn't now and it won't be at any time.[/QUOTE]

It would be a win-win if both of them were happy afterwards. Simple.

[QUOTE=GaynericMonk;21992208]Erm, no. There is no 'win-win'. The fact is, if you go and rape a 13 year old and leave them pregnant, that is gonna fucking traumatise them no matter what. Sex could be made less of a taboo, sure, but there's physical constraints on how far that can extend.[/QUOTE]

1. I wasn't talking about rape. Obviously, doing [I]anything[/I] to [I]anybody[/I] that they don't want you to, will be more or less harmful to that person.

2. Pregnancy and STD's aren't that hard to get around with prevention. Y'know, safety rules? Anything can be harmful, but if you know how to prevent it, you won't end up sticking your spoon in your eye / blowing up fireworks in your face / shooting your face off with your own gun by accident.

[QUOTE=GaynericMonk;21991975]The reason why we have the age of consent, people, is so that children who have not yet physically/mentally/sexually matured to the point where they can make decisions about their own body don't have sex when they're not ready, without understanding and preparing for all the problems sex can bring. I mean, have you seen those 13 year old girls who've had kids, their life's pretty much fucked up.
The reason why child porn should be illegal is that the vast majority of these kids have not reached the age to which they can make reliable decisions about their own body, and that's assuming they're doing it voluntarily and not just being raped.[/QUOTE]

This is a good example of what I'm talking about. Sex is being completely over-glorified. You talk about that you need to be physically, mentally and sexually mature. You need to be able to understand and prepare for "all the problems sex can bring". They need to be able to make decisions about their own body, and they need to be "ready" for sex.
You're turning a stroll in the park into a rough climb up a vertical cliff.
Right, I'm just gonna try and take them from one end to the other:

1. [I]Physically matured[/I]: You just need to be careful... I don't think it's too hard to judge whether it [I]can[/I] fit or not.
The next ones I'll just take as one:
2. [I]Mentally, Sexually, Understanding of sex, Preparation for all the problems:[/I] Why? What is it that's so advanced and complex about sex that minors won't be able to understand? Isn't sex just when two people touch each others and it feels good? And it's also a good way to make a real strong bond between the two. Once you've explained how to prevent the STD's and pregnancy, you're pretty much off to go. Is there really any more to sex than that? And if there is, [I]should[/I] there be so much to sex?

[QUOTE=Mingebox;21995954]Yeah, and tornadoes will be made from cotton candy, guns will shoot shoot happiness, and we'll all live in solid gold mansions! And when we die, we turn into rainbows![/QUOTE]

What you're talking about is actual, physical facts suddenly changing. Trauma from sex is something that only happens in the human mind. The human mind can evolve and change, and once we chill the fuck out about sex and sexuality, sex will no longer be able to traumatize anyone, regardless of age. That's not anything physical that miraculously turns into something else, its humans getting smarter.

[I]EDIT: I just saw my own failure there. The sad truth is that humans getting smarter is just as far-fetched as guns shooting happiness. Sorry.[/I]

[DoomMarine23]

[QUOTE=Inspector Jones;22000976]I don't really see how Loli is wrong, or at least any more wrong then regular porn. Perverted? Yes. Wrong morally? Sure. Then again, isn't all porn wrong ethically and morally?[/QUOTE]

Loli is drawn child porn, I admit no real child is hurt but it's the fact that you are still masturbating to the fantasy of a child is what's morally wrong to me.

Porn is a professional business with adults, of course I agree in some ways it is morally wrong but not in the same ways Loli/CP is.

I guess I rather someone look at Loli than CP though.

[Sharo]

Why would [I]anything[/I] that has to do with fiction and imagination/fantasy be morally wrong?

[BmB]

I like this. Freedom is good. Even if it is kinda perverted. But we must keep in mind the issue isn't that some people are sick fucks, they should be allowed that. It's that they molest children. Which, I presume is as a matter of fact illegal, even in japland.

[GaynericMonk]

[QUOTE=doommarine23;21999452]Loli is just as bad as CP.[/QUOTE]

Except it's not.

[editline]03:21PM[/editline]

[QUOTE=BmB;22001190]I like this. Freedom is good. Even if it is kinda perverted. But we must keep in mind the issue isn't that some people are sick fucks, they should be allowed that. It's that they molest children. Which, I presume is as a matter of fact illegal, even in japland.[/QUOTE]

somehow I can't take you seriously in this thread due to your anime avatar

[Carecup]

[QUOTE=BmB;22001190]I like this. Freedom is good. Even if it is kinda perverted. But we must keep in mind the issue isn't that some people are sick fucks, they should be allowed that. It's that they molest children. Which, I presume is as a matter of fact illegal, even in japland.[/QUOTE]

They should be allowed to fund/increase demand for children to be raped.

[ViralHatred]

[QUOTE=johanz;21962003]Lets legalize murder, because then no one will illegally kill anyone :downs:

Fuck ninja[/QUOTE]

Murder is death without permission.

If I happened to say "Sure you can kill me" it's assisted suicide.

What.

[Carecup]

Assisted suicide is also murder in most countries.

[editline]03:57PM[/editline]

Also its besides the point as children cannot consent to intercourse with an adult.

[lazyguy]

[QUOTE=Fire Kracker;21961981]I don't mind japan doing it

having it be not illegal prevents people from actually going out and doing illegal stuff

i meant it like this[/QUOTE]

Because child porn harms no-one :downs:

[Crest]

I'm so moving there.

[dot.rich]

I still want to learn Japanese.. There's a lot of fun and amazing things in Japan, this can be avoided 99% of the time.

[KILL001]

I recently came across a CP site...

it was Japanese... and was fucked up

[Vornmusion]

The laws regarding underage sex are fucked sideways. Like I'm going to be ok with them throwing away someone who had consensual sex with a 17 year old when they are barely over 18. What a joke.

They will never have a proper solution to this because it has too many random factors in it.
[b][i]Keeping in mind when I'm using the term Child I'm referring to people up to 18 (because where I live having anything or doing anything involving people below that lands you in deep shit).[/i][/b] How can they judge if the child is not mature enough to make the decision? They can't because not every child is the same mindless dumbshit, some are stupid as dirt, some are average, and some are fully aware of what they are doing and what it means. I suppose if anything it's a lesser evil because if they didn't have the laws then it would run wild. This however does not justify my first example.

As that one persons title said (forgive me, can't remember his name), 99.9% of child pron may involve a victim, but it will never, ever, be 100% because not every child is a mindless fool.

[editline]10:20PM[/editline]

[QUOTE=Kill001;22016706]I recently came across a CP site...

it was Japanese... and was fucked up[/QUOTE]

The last one I stumbled across had a front dedicated to SNES games, of all the things. Clever I suppose.

[hypno-toad]

Get the president!

"Hello, Obama, Get the football! We need to nuke Japan again."

[JDK721]

[QUOTE=hypno-toad;22017349]Get the president!

"Hello, Obama, Get the football! We need to nuke Japan again."[/QUOTE]

Looks like we're going to have to slap the Japs again.

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[Mingebox]

[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;22001086]
What you're talking about is actual, physical facts suddenly changing. Trauma from sex is something that only happens in the human mind. The human mind can evolve and change, and once we chill the fuck out about sex and sexuality, sex will no longer be able to traumatize anyone, regardless of age. That's not anything physical that miraculously turns into something else, its humans getting smarter.

[I]EDIT: I just saw my own failure there. The sad truth is that humans getting smarter is just as far-fetched as guns shooting happiness. Sorry.[/I][/QUOTE]

It's got nothing to do with intelligence. Sex always has been and always will be a complicated matter in society. People will never see sex as simply two people touching because it's not human to view things from solely a physical perspective.

[Roger The Alien]

No wonder the Asian's dicks are so tiny. Their cocks are in tiny tight ass vagina all the time their dick loses blood

[Sharo]

[QUOTE=Mingebox;22018548]It's got nothing to do with intelligence. Sex always has been and always will be a complicated matter in society. People will never see sex as simply two people touching because it's not human to view things from solely a physical perspective.[/QUOTE]

I never said it should just be two people touching.
It's also got to do with love and strong bonding.

[johanz]

[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;22020613]I never said it should just be two people touching.
It's also got to do with love and strong bonding.[/QUOTE]
Pleasure mostly

[Mislum]

What the fuck Japan, what the fuck.

[Sharo]

[QUOTE=johanz;22020714]Pleasure mostly[/QUOTE]

Yurp. And why's pleasure so harmful to kids?
Well, of course there's the fact that they don't feel the same sexual feelings as adults do, but that doesn't explain why it would be [I]harmful[/I], that just explains why it would be.. Uhm.. Ineffective?

[johanz]

[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;22022121]Yurp. And why's pleasure so harmful to kids?
Well, of course there's the fact that they don't feel the same sexual feelings as adults do, but that doesn't explain why it would be [I]harmful[/I], that just explains why it would be.. Uhm.. Ineffective?[/QUOTE]
The same way alcohol is.

[Carecup]

[QUOTE=Sherow_Xx;22022121]Yurp. And why's pleasure so harmful to kids?
Well, of course there's the fact that they don't feel the same sexual feelings as adults do, but that doesn't explain why it would be [I]harmful[/I], that just explains why it would be.. Uhm.. Ineffective?[/QUOTE]

Society will never reach a sexual nirvana where children will willingly give themselves up for rape. Stop fantasising.

[Sharo]

"give themselves up for rape"

wut

[QUOTE=johanz;22022182]The same way alcohol is.[/QUOTE]

Well alcohol is dangerous because it actually destroys stuff in your body when you use it for a long time - But more importantly, the danger of getting too much of it. And getting too much alcohol is a lot easier for a child.