Man stabs 3 invaders to protect family, may face life for murder - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35500705]So after defending how 'badass' it is, you go off about 'oh but, uh yeah, it's tragic or whatever' What a fucking poor excuse.[/QUOTE]How is it to understand? 1: The circumstances that lead up to him having to kill them were unfortunate. It was not good that his family was held hostage. 2: His ability to defend his family from four attackers is incredible and admirable. The fact that he was able to do this was badass. [QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35500684]The ability to fight off someone isn't "badass", it's having a skill.[/QUOTE]Having the skill to defend your family against four attackers who are better equipped than you is extraordinary, its not something that most people likely are capable of. It is therefore badass. [quote=Merriam-Webster]of formidable strength or skill[/quote] Get it now? There isn't any way to put it more clearly, and if you can't understand it, then that is your problem and nobody else's.

[QUOTE=proch;35501010]Oh yes he has. Read the article.[/QUOTE] I didn't know "where is more shit for us to steal" translated to "I am going to slaughter your entire family in front of your eyes and there is nothing to stop me" [editline]9th April 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;35501023]How is it to understand? 1: The circumstances that lead up to him having to kill them were unfortunate. It was not good that his family was held hostage. 2: His ability to defend his family from four attackers is incredible and admirable. The fact that he was able to do this was badass. Having the skill to defend your family against four attackers who are better equipped than you is extraordinary, its not something that most people likely are capable of. It is therefore badass. Get it now? There isn't any way to put it more clearly, and if you can't understand it, then that is your problem and nobody else's.[/QUOTE] You're giving me a completely different definition. That is pretty fucking bad if you guys can't even argue around the SAME POINT. You in particular Zedacon has completly bypassed the tragedy of this and focused on the fact that he killed people and instead of saying it was unfortunate, turned this into this great thing people should totally do because of how cool it is. That is fucking mental.

[QUOTE=:v:;35500082]Justice system at work. /sarcasm[/QUOTE] Oh gods. He has to be charged and then pardoned on the basis of self defense. But he has to go in front of the court. He did kill 3 people. The court decides if he did so legally or not. Plus if the situation is as was described - then he has a 100% likelyhood of getting out. Unless there's thing that are not true. The threat itself is enough to pardon his actions. People just fail to realise more often than not, that it still has to go to the judge.

[QUOTE] One of the men had his face partially concealed by a scarf, while others did not bother to hide their identities. Russian media speculates this could indicate the assailants’ intent not to leave any witnesses alive.[/QUOTE]

in texas you can shoot people on your property legally if you have proof that they were stealing from you and you shot them on land you owned

[QUOTE=proch;35501072]One of the men had his face partially concealed by a scarf, while others did not bother to hide their identities. Russian media speculates this could indicate the assailants’ intent not to leave any witnesses alive.[/QUOTE] Pardon me if I don't take the "Russian Media's" word for it.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35501030]turned this into this great thing people should totally do because of how cool it is. That is fucking mental.[/QUOTE]No, how the fuck do you not get it? You're just trolling at this point.

[QUOTE=wraithcat;35501059]Oh gods. He has to be charged and then pardoned on the basis of self defense. But he has to go in front of the court. He did kill 3 people. The court decides if he did so legally or not. Plus if the situation is as was described - then he has a 100% likelyhood of getting out. Unless there's thing that are not true. The threat itself is enough to pardon his actions. People just fail to realise more often than not, that it still has to go to the judge.[/QUOTE] It's russia we're talking about.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35501030]You're giving me a completely different definition. That is pretty fucking bad if you guys can't even argue around the SAME POINT.[/QUOTE]How is that giving you a different definition? That's what I've been saying this entire god damned time.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35501110]Pardon me if I don't take the "Russian Media's" word for it.[/QUOTE] If you're going to show your face and go in with guns, it's pretty likely you arent going to want to leave witnesses alive

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35501030]You in particular Zedacon has completly bypassed the tragedy of this and focused on the fact that he killed people and instead of saying it was unfortunate[/QUOTE]Except for the part where I did say it was unfortunate, on more than one occasion. When I first came in to the thread, I wasn't even responding to the article, I was responding to a post you had made which sparked this whole damned thing.

This man is ex-military and was defending his home. Hes going to walk.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35500916]It's not even about the action, he was forced into a situation and he reacted. However, people like Zedacon who are turning a tragic event and trying to turn it into some sort of 'cool' and 'awesome' event. Why even focus on the fact he had the ability to kill 3 people. Having the ability to doesn't determine anything, other than the fact that in a very unfortunate case like that, he can, that's not the point, the fact of the matter is, he DID and he should be judged on how he handled it. Not ignoring it and just going on about how 'badass and awesome' he is like this is a fucking video game. First of all, you have no idea if they were going to kill his family. Second of all, you don't even know who I'm talking about. Yeah because it's absolutely fucking impossible to rehabilitate a person who committed a breaking and entering. Again, you're just assuming. And also again you have no idea who I was responding to. You shouldn't be allowed to judge arguments, ever. [editline]9th April 2012[/editline] Are they robbers or are they just thrill killers, which is it? So far it seems like they were robbers who were threatening them. You can't assume they would or would not. Believe it or not, but not all robberies end up in the entire family being horribly butchered. The only reason why you people think it's the case is because this made the news.[/QUOTE] I'm pretty sure your replying to the guy who said he was a badass and you going "NO ITS UNFORTUNATE" also at: [B]"Yeah because it's absolutely fucking impossible to rehabilitate a person who committed a breaking and entering."[/B] So you are one of those guys, get out of your bubble (basement) this isn't a perfect world, not everyone can be rehabilitated so don't think you can just lock someone up for a bit, have a conversation then they become a productive member of society, it doesn't work like that at all. So if a robber ever breaks into your house and starts threatening your family and stealing and you give them everything but they still wont live and start beating up your kids, are you just going to take it because they have a chance to be rehabilitated or defend your family and self? There is plenty of reason to believe they would of killed them, you just don't commit a robbery and walk in with no masks if you planned not to kill anyone, that would be stupid. They also easily pointed guns at little kids and beat them up which shows they meant business and also for the fact they gave them everything and they still wouldn't leave and wouldn't take no for an answer probably doesn't mean they are going to go "ok then, it looks like we got everything, thanks" and walk away. [QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35501110]Pardon me if I don't take the "Russian Media's" word for it.[/QUOTE] Oh great and now it's a conspiracy too and the media is lying, sure, maybe we are speculating they would of died but we are getting that from what has been said, not pulling stuff from thin air like "oh the media is lying"

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35501110]Pardon me if I don't take the "Russian Media's" word for it.[/QUOTE] Yeah and his family was beaten up by thin air

[QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;35501112]No, how the fuck do you not get it? You're just trolling at this point.[/QUOTE] When your first reaction, plus the fact you're defending it and completly bypassing the fact this is a bad situation and nothing good came out of this, shows you're fetishising it. Sorry if I find that to be deplorable. [QUOTE=Doctor Zedacon;35501133]How is that giving you a different definition? That's what I've been saying this entire god damned time.[/QUOTE] "of formidable strength or skill" "A tough, aggressive, or uncooperative person." Can you guys get your story straight?

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35501186]"of formidable strength or skill" "A tough, aggressive, or uncooperative person." Can you guys get your story straight?[/QUOTE]Did you miss the part where I didn't give you that second definition?

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35500916]Why even focus on the fact he had the ability to kill 3 people. Having the ability to doesn't determine anything, other than the fact that in a very unfortunate case like that, he can, that's not the point, the fact of the matter is, he DID and he should be judged on how he handled it. Not ignoring it and just going on about how 'badass and awesome' he is like this is a fucking video game. First of all, you have no idea if they were going to kill his family. Second of all, you don't even know who I'm talking about. Are they robbers or are they just thrill killers, which is it? So far it seems like they were robbers who were threatening them. You can't assume they would or would not. Believe it or not, but not all robberies end up in the entire family being horribly butchered. The only reason why you people think it's the case is because this made the news.[/QUOTE] First off, I wasn't focusing on his ability to kill 3 people. I was focusing on his ability to defend his family. Them dying was a CONSEQUENCE. There's a difference. Be judged on how he handled it? You mean stopping the threat to his family after having a gun put in his mouth and his family beaten? Do you even comprehend the situation? Or are you suggesting that he be even MORE skillful, risk his and his family's lives further, and somehow stop all of them without killing them? Again you're pulling out this video game bullshit. No one said anything about games except you. Stop equating "Baddass" with "video games". You're drawing connections that aren't even there. Lastly, YOU don't know whether or not they were ready to kill the family. How about erring on the side of the [B]victims[/B] and say that the man did what was necessary.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35501186]When your first reaction, plus the fact you're defending it and completly bypassing the fact this is a bad situation and nothing good came out of this, shows you're fetishising it. Sorry if I find that to be deplorable. "of formidable strength or skill" "A tough, aggressive, or uncooperative person." Can you guys get your story straight?[/QUOTE] oh my god you are so naive OT: Even in Russia, he'll walk. Ex-Military means that he was just doing what he was trained to do so that gets him quite a few points in his favor.

[QUOTE=superstepa;35501184]Yeah and his family was beaten up by thin air[/QUOTE] What does that have to do with anything? [QUOTE=bobsynergy;35501175]I'm pretty sure your replying to the guy who said he was a badass and you going "NO ITS UNFORTUNATE"[/quote] Uh yeah, it is unfortunate. [quote]also at: [B]"Yeah because it's absolutely fucking impossible to rehabilitate a person who committed a breaking and entering."[/B] So you are one of those guys, get out of your bubble (basement) this isn't a perfect world, not everyone can be rehabilitated so don't think you can just lock someone up for a bit, have a conversation then they become a productive member of society, it doesn't work like that at all. So if a robber ever breaks into your house and starts threatening your family and stealing and you give them everything but they still wont live and start beating up your kids, are you just going to take it because they have a chance to be rehabilitated or defend your family and self? There is plenty of reason to believe they would of killed them, you just don't commit a robbery and walk in with no masks if you planned not to kill anyone, that would be stupid. They also easily pointed guns at little kids and beat them up which shows they meant business and also for the fact they gave them everything and they still wouldn't leave and wouldn't take no for an answer probably doesn't mean they are going to go "ok then, it looks like we got everything, thanks" and walk away.[/QUOTE] I can understand when people are sceptical about rehabilitation towards someone like anders Brevik or serial killers. But four guys who are robbing a house and slapping around the people inside? Like are you fucking serious? I don't think you've read the argument. You just saw "man stabs 3 invaders to protect family" and your child like fetish for killing people just took over.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35501186]When your first reaction, plus the fact you're defending it and completly bypassing the fact this is a bad situation and nothing good came out of this, shows you're fetishising it. Sorry if I find that to be deplorable. [/QUOTE] I'd say some good came from it, he saved his family and removed a load of violent people from the planet.

[QUOTE=ShadowSocks8;35501227]oh my god you are so naive OT: Even in Russia, he'll walk. Ex-Military means that he was just doing what he was trained to do so that gets him quite a few points in his favor.[/QUOTE] I'm naive for not thinking this is 'badass'? You people are ridiculous.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35501186]When your first reaction, plus the fact you're defending it and completly bypassing the fact this is a bad situation and nothing good came out of this, shows you're fetishising it. Sorry if I find that to be deplorable.[/QUOTE]Yes, bad situation, that's already been stated, and I'm positive you are well aware of this. And sorry if I find it exceptional that a single man the capability to defend himself and his family from four assailants.

Governor Goblin were you the 4th guy who got away? Would explain why it seems like you are defending the people who invaded that mans home and threatened that mans family.

[QUOTE=superstepa;35501184]Yeah and his family was beaten up by thin air[/QUOTE] "no no no no, I bet it was the man himself that did it and killed 4 random people!!" [QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35501186]When your first reaction, plus the fact you're defending it and completly bypassing the fact this is a bad situation and nothing good came out of this, shows you're fetishising it. Sorry if I find that to be deplorable. [/QUOTE] How did nothing good come out of this? the family most likely got their stuff back and no one in the family was seriously hurt or killed, jesus it sounds like you sympathize with the robbers and believe them to be the victims and not the family.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35501110]Pardon me if I don't take the "Russian Media's" word for it.[/QUOTE] Then use your [I]common sense.[/I]

[QUOTE=AceOfDivine;35501125]It's russia we're talking about.[/QUOTE] So? Sure the place is a justice hellhole but usually only in politicised cases. A lot of the justice system still probably works fine.

[QUOTE=proch;35501295]Then use your [I]common sense.[/I][/QUOTE] My common sense is to not assume and come up with shit that may or may not have happened. It's called cognitive thinking, you should try it.

[QUOTE=Governor Goblin;35501362]My common sense is to not assume and come up with shit that may or may not have happened. It's called cognitive thinking, you should try it.[/QUOTE] Go ask your father what he thinks.

Your common sense is flawed, then.

[QUOTE=UnidentifiedFlyingTard;35501271] Would explain why it seems like you are defending the people who invaded that mans home and threatened that mans family.[/QUOTE] wow i'm impressed that's some bill o'reilly turn-the-tables bullshit