Video of kid accidentally shooting self will be shown at trial. - Polidicks

[QUOTE=Black-Ice;27243754]This thread is seriously old, I believe so. Not old as in 5 years, but I know this has been here before. It's just too similar to that one thread about the kid with his Uzi's recoil making him shoot himself.[/QUOTE] The incident occurred a while ago, but the court case is only now proceeding. Court rulings take time, especially in a case like this where it's not clear who exactly was at fault. [QUOTE=MowsysReaper;27241399]Parents should never let children handle guns. Even with proper "training," a gun is not a toy for kids to handle.[/QUOTE] Children can handle guns just fine, but it's the parents' responsibility to [b]properly instruct their children[/b] in gun safety, make [b]good choices about the firearms[/b] their children are handling, and [b]lock the guns safely away[/b] when not in use. A gun is a tool not unlike a chainsaw, and should be used with care and respect. Even so, I think a child as young as 8 should not be allowed to fire weapons at such an event- even if your child has the mental ability to treat a gun with care and respect, I don't think most 8-year-olds have the physical ability to handle most weapons. [QUOTE=Numidium;27236494]So the gun had enough recoil to spin a 180 vertical degrees before he could stop shooting? WHAT?[/QUOTE] Yes. Especially since the kid was 8 and probably lacked the experience and strength to control such a weapon.

Last words of self shooting kids. "URR my shoes hurt!" Guns need to be kept away if they are going to act "special" with the gun.

[QUOTE=certified;27244853]Last words of self shooting kids. "URR my shoes hurt!" Guns need to be kept away if they are going to act "special" with the gun.[/QUOTE] Did you read any of the article at all? I ask merely for information.

I'm all for gun shows and target practice, I go to them regularly and shoot weekly. But if you're going to give a kid that age a gun it needs to be something suitable for him. He needs to know how to handle firearms and handle them safely. Someone should have said no to the parents and child. It is only common sense. This entire accident could have been prevented.

People don't kill people, guns do! :downs:

this happened ages ago

[QUOTE=MR-X;27245192]I'm all for gun shows and target practice, I go to them regularly and shoot weekly. But if you're going to give a kid that age a gun it needs to be something suitable for him. He needs to know how to handle firearms and handle them safely. Someone should have said no to the parents and child. It is only common sense. This entire accident could have been prevented.[/QUOTE] Yeah. I'm saying it's half the parents' fault for letting the kid shoot an Uzi, and half the gun show's fault for giving the kid an Uzi.

[QUOTE=Mooe94;27238556]that is fucking HILARIOUS [img_thumb]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01243/kids-with-guns_1243524i.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] My god. Almost every kid there has their finger on the trigger.

what a dumb fuck, this is why guns get banned

[QUOTE=joeboe242;27235720]There is an easy fix. Don't give stupid people guns![/QUOTE] It was his stupid parents that gave him the gun not that he took it him self

[QUOTE=DogGunn;27235616]Or remove guns in most instances, and the problem is solved. Guns are normally only needed for protection from guns.[/QUOTE] I agree. I also laughed at the 25 redneck dumbs you got.

[QUOTE=FPChris;27246606]I agree. I also laughed at the 25 redneck dumbs you got.[/QUOTE] Doesn't bother me. It's a side effect of the "I need a gun to protect myself" culture of America.

Well I guess we can find a silver lining in the fact that the child of parents that let their kid shoot an uzi won't ever be passing on the genes. :smith:

Didn't an incident similar to this happen a couple years back?

[QUOTE=FPChris;27246606]I agree. I also laughed at the 25 redneck dumbs you got.[/QUOTE] I don't see how you find the correlation between pro gun and redneck.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;27246686]Doesn't bother me. It's a side effect of the "I need a gun to protect myself" culture of America.[/QUOTE] You know all of jack shit don't you. Do you even live in the US? Or are you one of those shitheads who thinks there's a firefight on every street corner in new york 24/7? Most people own for sporting purposes, which include just going to the range because it's a heap of fun. The few places (major cities) I could see someone needing a gun purely for protection have pretty much banned them to a large extent anyways, which lo and behold has done jack shit.

[QUOTE=mastermaul;27247422]You know all of jack shit don't you.[/QUOTE] Completely. Yes. [QUOTE=mastermaul;27247422]Do you even live in the US?[/quote] I have lived in the US for extended periods of times. I have also lived in Europe for a few months and live in Australia fulltime now. Nothing compares to the terribleness of the gun culture in America. The fact that you can walk into a K-Mart in the US, and buy a gun and ammunition (even if it's a hunting rifle) is just plain terrible. [QUOTE=mastermaul;27247422]Or are you one of those shitheads who thinks there's a firefight on every street corner in new york 24/7?[/quote] Nope. But many businesses and households may feel the need to have a gun due to the fact that everyone around them may have a gun, legally. [QUOTE=mastermaul;27247422]Most people own for sporting purposes, which include just going to the range because it's a heap of fun.[/quote] I doubt this. Really doubt this. Most people own a gun so they can just go to the range? If I'm wrong, and people only buy guns so they can go to the range, it shows the negative nature of gun culture. [QUOTE=mastermaul;27247422]The few places (major cities) I could see someone needing a gun purely for protection have pretty much banned them to a large extent anyways, which lo and behold has done jack shit.[/QUOTE] Because it's a larger problem than the major cities can handle.

[QUOTE=Mooe94;27238556]that is fucking HILARIOUS [img_thumb]http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01243/kids-with-guns_1243524i.jpg[/img_thumb][/QUOTE] Wow, Mp-5's aren't cheap. The armaments of these children seem disproportionate to the standard equipment given to child soldiers. Normally you are fucked if you are using child soldiers both in terms of recruitment and funding/armaments. I guess they could be knockoffs, but again, who sports that level of manufacturing capability and still employs child soldiers? I guess they could just be in training. Would still be odd though. EDIT: Errr uhhhh oh no! Child soldiers!

[QUOTE=ForestRaptor;27235582]Teach gun safety first, give the gun then.[/QUOTE] I think the first thing they should do after teaching the kid gun safety is give the kid a gun with a small size and low recoil. Plus semi-automatic. IE: Boberg XR9 vs A fucking UZI Or not at all, get a pellet gun for christ sake. [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=GunFox;27248923]:what:[/QUOTE] Uhh gunfox, are you uhh, running a boyscout troop?

[QUOTE=DogGunn;27248760] I have lived in the US for extended periods of times. I have also lived in Europe for a few months and live in Australia fulltime now. Nothing compares to the terribleness of the gun culture in America. The fact that you can walk into a K-Mart in the US, and buy a gun and ammunition (even if it's a hunting rifle) is just plain terrible.[/QUOTE] The United States is based on a fundamentally different principle than other nations. I'm sorry that you disagree with it, but a great deal of the people living here appreciate that we were designed by people who looked back at history and took into account that government fails when it fails to serve the people. With that in mind they took precautions to ensure that even if the people weren't respected, they were to be [i]feared.[/i] An American riot has the potential to utterly and completely devastate a city. Which is the point. Serve the people or we burn your government to the ground. Civilians, under this design, are supposed to be scary. So no thanks. I'd rather not surrender one of the pillars that protects my constitutional rights. I appreciate that you have a different view of how government should function, and you are both entitled to it and by no means necessarily incorrect, but that simply isn't how the government of the United States works. [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=jjsullivan;27249116] Uhh gunfox, are you uhh, running a boyscout troop?[/QUOTE] Merit badge for marksmanship! EDIT: Wait. Hm. [img]http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/3941/boyscoutsmarksmanshipme.jpg[/img]

The kid probably only knew that because its a submachine gun, the only way to shoot it is to hold down the trigger and fire until you run out of ammunition

That seems to be a very avoidable situation. I wonder why they even let it go this far. [QUOTE=Rong;27235326]It's a little morbid.[/QUOTE] You mean its just rong?

An argument with merit and logic, what is this... [QUOTE=GunFox;27249285]The United States is based on a fundamentally different principle than other nations. I'm sorry that you disagree with it, but a great deal of the people living here appreciate that we were designed by people who looked back at history and took into account that government fails when it fails to serve the people. With that in mind they took precautions to ensure that even if the people weren't respected, they were to be [i]feared.[/i][/quote] I have so far not commented on the Constituional Right to Arms, I have meerly made comment that the gun culture in the United States was bad. What is the need to teach an 8 year old how to fire an Uzi? Why does he even need to fire a gun? I don't believe an 8 year old has any reason to have their hands on an Uzi, let alone any other gun. If you feel there is a need to teach an 8 year old - it must stem from the fact that other people around them have guns. [QUOTE=GunFox;27249285]Civilians, under this design, are supposed to be scary. [/quote] But then don't you have to live in fear that the person next to you may be carrying a weapon?

Civilians should be allowed tanks. Jus' saying yo

[QUOTE=Playguy;27235272]I wonder why he didn't take his finger off the trigger when it recoiled. Seems weird.[/QUOTE] It's called panicking.

[QUOTE=DogGunn;27248760] I doubt this. Really doubt this. Most people own a gun so they can just go to the range? If I'm wrong, and people only buy guns so they can go to the range, it shows the negative nature of gun culture. .[/QUOTE] What? The only reason why I even own my guns is to fire them at the range. I went hunting like once when I was younger and it was about as boring as fishing. Everybody I know that owns a gun only has them so they can fire at the range, too. It's fun. [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] [QUOTE=DogGunn;27249488] But then don't you have to live in fear that the person next to you may be carrying a weapon?[/QUOTE] I live in Baltimore and I would be more surprised if at least a dozen people around me didn't have a gun. It isn't scary at all. In even the slightest chance that one of them had bad intentions they would go down within a few seconds of trying anything.

[QUOTE=NoDachi;27249519]Civilians should be allowed tanks. Jus' saying yo[/QUOTE] You can own a tank in the US. You just have to be able to afford it first.

[QUOTE=GunFox;27248923]I guess they could be knockoffs, but again, who sports that level of manufacturing capability and still employs child soldiers?[/QUOTE] They are, and, as you should readily recall, the MP5 is actually hell of cheap to produce, hence it leading to all the kids who treat HK like Gibson and all of their shit as overpriced. [editline]6th January 2011[/editline] I mean wooooooah child soldiers how horrible etc.

[QUOTE=StupidUsername67;27249689]What? The only reason why I even own my guns is to fire them at the range. I went hunting like once when I was younger and it was about as boring as fishing. Everybody I know that owns a gun only has them so they can fire at the range, too. It's fun.[/QUOTE] Then it's a problem with the culture. Guns are designed to kill. Owning a gun so you can fire it at a range proves the problem in the culture. It makes no sense that a [i]weapon[/i] is only used to fire downrange at a target. If people were willing to accept that firing downrange is pointless and even potentially dangerous, then you'd have the removal of some deadly weapons. [QUOTE=StupidUsername67;27249689]I live in Baltimore and I would be more surprised if at least a dozen people around me didn't have a gun. It isn't scary at all. In even the slightest chance that one of them had bad intentions they would go down within a few seconds of trying anything.[/QUOTE] How are they going to go down in seconds if dozens of people around you don't have a gun?

[QUOTE=NoDachi;27249519]Civilians should be allowed tanks. Jus' saying yo[/QUOTE] You can own a tank actually. Hell, it can even be fully armed with the proper paperwork :v: